Stamkos to CHI.....heard it hear first...

I'm not sure that it does. The possible cap-recapture penalty on Hossa contract isn't pretty, and a possible non-starter for any trade conversation.
- EKB13

Doesn't the recapture penalty remain with the Hawks after a trade?

The receiving team would get a $5MM cap hit with a salary of only $1MM - perfect for a budget team trying to reach the floor.

Problem with moving him from a Chicago standpoint is - how long will he be willing to play for only $1MM per year - and his retirement from any team would be a cap disaster for the Hawks.

The Blues better push hard for Malkin. Can't let Chicago get him.

Oh my, Malkin and Tarasenko on the same line.....

I'd love to know why people feel the need to go nuts over a rumor when it doesn't come to fruition and jump all over a blogger for it. None of these people work for NHL teams. We come here - at lease I do - to talk/read hockey as well as for the excitement/entertainment of possible deals & team info. Not guaranteed deals....POSSIBLE deals. This is as close as any of us are gonna get to being in the GM's office, folks (and it's not that close) so enjoy what news you do happen to get. JJ's my number one source for the Hawks and doing a bang-up job. Hell, I even got some TV streaming set-up ideas from him

Tune out the noise, bud.

Doesn't the recapture penalty remain with the Hawks after a trade?

The receiving team would get a $5MM cap hit with a salary of only $1MM - perfect for a budget team trying to reach the floor.

Problem with moving him from a Chicago standpoint is - how long will he be willing to play for only $1MM per year - and his retirement from any team would be a cap disaster for the Hawks.
- StLBravesFan

I believe it stays with the team. I was hoping to find an official explanation.

But like in fantasy there's so many intangibles that make it so different from reality. Would Toews ever go #1/#2? I guess it depends on the stats you are rewarded for.
- DeflatedPucks

We've both obviously wasted enough key strokes on this. My stance is you don't invest as much is needed in fantasy or the real world on a soon to be 30 yr old that has played 57, 69 and 60 games the last 3 years, may or may not be injured and may or may not be hungry after a cup win where the regular season grind is even less tolerable.

Your stance is you do. We agree to disagree.

If the Hawks cannot keep Shaw, they should go after McGinn or try to keep Weise (as others before he have said). However I could see Weise getting paid by some other team.

JJ, great article as always.

I have said this once before... You could be wrong EVERY TIME with your reports, opinions, source information, whatever... I just enjoy the read/blog/conversations about the Hawks because I love the team and the sport (even though I have never played).

It is exciting to hear about what COULD happen, but knowing it may never happen or was ever close to happening doesn't matter to me. You bring up topics that are current, informative and controversial... so what, that is why it is fun to read and talk about.


slarm.
- slarm

thx slarm

And they all had their chances with Q - and didn't perform, at least to Q's specifications.
- StLBravesFan

And 2 of the 3 are doing better than wonderful since "disappointing" Q with the results still not in on Weise.

The Blues better push hard for Malkin. Can't let Chicago get him.

Oh my, Malkin and Tarasenko on the same line.....


- carcus

Wait til Ryan Wilson hears about THIS!

The penalty was put in place after the contract was signed so not exactly "fair".
- Svenny7

Indeed, the legislation was instituted AFTER the fact. And it can be legislated out too.

I'm not sure that it does. The possible cap-recapture penalty on Hossa contract isn't pretty, and a possible non-starter for any trade conversation.
- EKB13

That contract is quite the hive of bees. Hossa will probably have a pretty good year next year. At least 50 pts and a kick ass +/-. Hossa will be stuck with the Hawks unless he goes on LTIR those last few years.

I'm a little perplexed regarding the Hossa recapture penalty - or to be more precise, what's all the angst about? Unless I'm mistaken, the Hawks will have Hossa's $5.2M cap hit on the books until the contract expires in 2021 (or whatever year it is). They will have the cap hit whether he is playing with the team or he has retired. Therefore the cap recapture thing should not be a factor in the decision to trade him or not. The only thing that the decision should be based on is whether he can still play and contribute to the team. When it gets to the point where he can't contribute any more - there is no cap impact whether you trade him or he retires or you keep him on the roster as the 14th forward - the cap impact will be the same whether it's called cap hit or recapture penalty.

Wait til Ryan Wilson hears about THIS!
- John Jaeckel

Eh, it was cap circumvention, and against the rules now. So it is justified.
- cap1681

It was not against the rules and the penalty was retroactive. Nonsense.

Not the worst I could come up with in 20 minutes

sans profanity.

Stamkos to CHI.....heard it hear first...
- PatShart

If we are playing that game:

Shaw to Caps for Bowey and a 4th in 2017...heard that here first

I'm a little perplexed regarding the Hossa recapture penalty - or to be more precise, what's all the angst about? Unless I'm mistaken, the Hawks will have Hossa's $5.2M cap hit on the books until the contract expires in 2021 (or whatever year it is). They will have the cap hit whether he is playing with the team or he has retired. Therefore the cap recapture thing should not be a factor in the decision to trade him or not. The only thing that the decision should be based on is whether he can still play and contribute to the team. When it gets to the point where he can't contribute any more - there is no cap impact whether you trade him or he retires or you keep him on the roster as the 14th forward - the cap impact will be the same whether it's called cap hit or recapture penalty.
- EbonyRaptor

The angst is from the fact that you can't just trade him to a team that needs to get to the floor and not have any cap hit like you can with other bad contracts.

And the fact that he is going to have a 5.2 cap hit until he is way too old to play and be serviceable. When the Hawks are up against the cap and have to trade off players to stay under it now.

I'm a little perplexed regarding the Hossa recapture penalty - or to be more precise, what's all the angst about? Unless I'm mistaken, the Hawks will have Hossa's $5.2M cap hit on the books until the contract expires in 2021 (or whatever year it is). They will have the cap hit whether he is playing with the team or he has retired. Therefore the cap recapture thing should not be a factor in the decision to trade him or not. The only thing that the decision should be based on is whether he can still play and contribute to the team. When it gets to the point where he can't contribute any more - there is no cap impact whether you trade him or he retires or you keep him on the roster as the 14th forward - the cap impact will be the same whether it's called cap hit or recapture penalty.
- EbonyRaptor

The part you're missing is the cap recapture stays with the hawks even if he is traded. that affects the trade possibilities.

And 2 of the 3 are doing better than wonderful since "disappointing" Q with the results still not in on Weise.
- Mr Ricochet

Then why didn't they - especially Daley - do that here? Q's fault? I guess - ok - maybe -

But Daley (and Weise) never fit into what Q wanted of them. At some point, the players have to take some of the responsibility for not performing.

If we are playing that game:

Shaw to Caps for Bowey and a 4th in 2017...heard that here first
- ikeane

To the Caps ??


Tom Wilson

Not the worst I could come up with in 20 minutes

sans profanity.
- the_dough_boy

What about next year when Panarin won't be an 800k contract?

Or this year when a short term injury happens and you need to get another player or two on the roster?

Not the worst I could come up with in 20 minutes

sans profanity.
- the_dough_boy

Prettier than past charts. Love the matt martin addition...oh please, oh please, oh please

To the Caps ??


Tom Wilson
- mrpaulish

I got the primary assist on that one

I'd like to reiterate, (frank) the NHL for that.
- JRoenick97


Eh, it was cap circumvention, and against the rules now. So it is justified.
- CAP1681

Eh, I can see how a Pens fan would view it that way. But the facts:
1. It was NOT against the rules when the deal was signed.
2. The deal was approved by the NHL.
3. After the fact, in the next CBA, they added this cap circumvention rule in a retroactive manner against several contracts, including this Hossa one.

So I'd hope you'd see how Hawks fans can feel a little "Franked" by the NHL on that.