How about giving your realistic opinion of what it would take to get Malkin and have it work for both teams? Or is it too difficult for you?
- SimmerDown17

I've stated plenty of times(though you may not have been around to read) my opinion, here it is again:

This trade would never happen without 1 of Kane/Toews/Panarin going the other way. I don't believe the Pens would settle for anything less than one of those 3.

Hossa + AA for Malkin

It's almost an even swap AAV wise
- Slofire94


But Hossa's cap circumventing contract...

No team is taking that without some serious overpay.
- EKB13

You've got it wrong. The cap circumvention penalty stays with us. Hawks can NOT trade Hossa because we need to control his future.

That's a very personel question (and depending on the size of the league and whether its keeper, etc, yes probably most of the time. He's still a ppg player)
- DeflatedPucks

16 teamer, multi cat, 6 can be kept and this year I'm lucky enough to draft 16th. Beat the guy in the Finals who in fact drafted Malkin 12th overall.

If it were accumulated points maybe but in no way in a head to head will I take him at 16 if he's available. ..........No good if they ain't on the ice and Malkin just hasn't been the last 3 years, is now older, still a bad elbow(?) and just might be less hungry after a cup win.

Just like fantasy in real hockey I need my core on the ice.

Hossa decides to retire at years end...Hawks trade his cap hit to a team needing to get to the floor

The 5.25 mil that opens up...goes into Mr. Panarin's wallet

Hossa + AA for Malkin

It's almost an even swap AAV wise
- Slofire94


But Hossa's cap circumventing contract...

No team is taking that without some serious overpay.
- EKB13

You've got it wrong. The cap circumvention penalty stays with us. Hawks can NOT trade Hossa because we need to control his future.
- Cmonalready

I'd like to reiterate, (frank) the NHL for that.

Hossa decides to retire at years end...Hawks trade his cap hit to a team needing to get to the floor

The 5.25 mil that opens up...goes into Mr. Panarin's wallet
- PatShart

I don't think they can trade the cap hit. The recapture is a penalty rather than a normal contract.

JJ,
Would you take that trade if you were Bowman? Being, Malkin for AA and Kruger. It would take more wouldn't it?
- BURDA13



You'd have to think.
-JJ

No. Because that trade doesn't resolve anything cap-wise. If that trade occurred, Hawks would also have to trade Craw to make the cap work. And couldnt fit Shaw.

So the result of that trade would be:

Lose:
AA
Krug
Craw
Shaw

Gain:
Malkin
pick for Craw trade
minor pick for Shaw rights trade
OVER FOUR MILLION IN CAPSPACE WITHOUT SHAWS CONTRACT


So to analyze that trade proposal, how do we all feel about Malkin and a pick for AA, Krug, Craw and Shaw?
- Cmonalready


fixed a bit here
- the_dough_boy

You're correct...and I'm correct. My analysis does create $4m cap room...which is at least what's needed to pay Panarin next year.

So a Hawks team w Malkin would have to lose at least AA, Krug, Craw and Shaw.

I am now ready to be flamed for this but here is the latest from Grusso: Stars have contacted the Penguins regarding Fleury. Talks are heating up re: Fleury. CGY still interested.

https://twitter.com/Rumor...s/745658952671690752?s=09
- ikeane

You've got it wrong. The cap circumvention penalty stays with us. Hawks can NOT trade Hossa because we need to control his future.
- Cmonalready

Thanks for the correction.

I am now ready to be flamed for this but here is the latest from Grusso: Stars have contacted the Penguins regarding Fleury. Talks are heating up re: Fleury. CGY still interested.

https://twitter.com/Rumor...s/745658952671690752?s=09
- ikeane

A rumor based on logic? If Nill gets MAF look out in Dallas. Remember though that poor goals allowed DAL had last year just lost a 1st pairing Dman Goligoski to AZ. The Dal goals against could get worse this year!!!

I don't think they can trade the cap hit. The recapture is a penalty rather than a normal contract.
- JRoenick97

If that's true, then there is no 'loop hole' for his contract.

I don't think they can trade the cap hit. The recapture is a penalty rather than a normal contract.
- JRoenick97

I'm pretty sure there is/will be a loophole and it will be found....there always is...

Could that not be said about any player???

Just because he's Russian doesn't mean he would necessarily leave at a moment's notice to go back to Russia. lol

(and dude can't even speak English, he's handcuffed to the penguins )
- DeflatedPucks

Yes you can, but what can't be said is an assumption based on A) fandom and B) what you want to think. Do you have any reason to believe he doesn't want to leave? Like it's been mentioned in this post, the only people that really know whats going on is Malkin, his girlfriend/fiance/wife, rutherford, and rutherfords's subordinates. Outright saying there isn't a chance is kinda narrow minded.

As to the russian/english barrier.

artemi panarin had such a hard time acclimating to chicago and sergei plotnikov fit in seamlessly in pittsburgh right? Malkin would be fine.

16 teamer, multi cat, 6 can be kept and this year I'm lucky enough to draft 16th. Beat the guy in the Finals who in fact drafted Malkin 12th overall.

If it were accumulated points maybe but in no way in a head to head will I take him at 16 if he's available. ..........No good if they ain't on the ice and Malkin just hasn't been the last 3 years, is now older, still a bad elbow(?) and just might be less hungry after a cup win.

Just like fantasy in real hockey I need my core on the ice.
- Mr Ricochet

But like in fantasy there's so many intangibles that make it so different from reality. Would Toews ever go #1/#2? I guess it depends on the stats you are rewarded for.

Hossa decides to retire at years end...Hawks trade his cap hit to a team needing to get to the floor

The 5.25 mil that opens up...goes into Mr. Panarin's wallet
- PatShart

This post is missing the facts. There's a cap circumvention penalty against the hawks, that can't be traded, if Hoss retires before the end of his contract.

I'm of the opinion ("opinion", not fact or even "informed opinion") that Hawks will find a way around this penalty. But the only way that can be done is if he is on the team. I therefore think Hossa is the single most untradable player on the team. Not that another team wouldnt take him, but that the hawks have to maintain control of this penalty situation by having remain on the team.

Specifically, the penalty can not be traded away. It stays with the hawks.

I'd like to reiterate, (frank) the NHL for that.
- JRoenick97

Eh, it was cap circumvention, and against the rules now. So it is justified.

Yep.....the 500 lb elephant in the room is that HRR was actually less and the cap would have been down if not for the players' escalator. Great article by Lebrun interviewing Fehr about this on ESPN.com if you want to look. Very good insight.

So to my understanding, next Friday, the hawks can be 10% up over 73 million towards NEXT year's cap if they want to sign panarin LT. Once that cap number is released for 2017-18 they will have to get cap compliant by opening day or if the cap were to drop next year vs this year.

Which is why I think CC stays another year and gives Bowman some leverage to keep Darlings AAV down to help navigate those waters for next year.
- SteveRain

Seems to me it may be harder to move Crawford - or Seabrook or any high-cap-hit player - next summer under pressure - maybe (MAYBE) better to make the move this summer.

HRR issue - cap number is a little different than the final HRR number - usually higher (thus the escrow). We don't know that the 2015-16 HRR number was higher or lower than the previous year.

Yes you can, but what can't be said is an assumption based on A) fandom and B) what you want to think. Do you have any reason to believe he doesn't want to leave? Like it's been mentioned in this post, the only people that really know whats going on is Malkin, his girlfriend/fiance/wife, rutherford, and rutherfords's subordinates. Outright saying there isn't a chance is kinda narrow minded.

As to the russian/english barrier.

artemi panarin had such a hard time acclimating to chicago and sergei plotnikov fit in seamlessly in pittsburgh right? Malkin would be fine.
- the_dough_boy

I could pose the reverse question to you and ask: isn't what you're saying an assumption too? These are all rumors. Mine was an assumption too; never said it wasn't. Nobody knows. Not even the rumors.

He's reiterated numerous times he is happy and wants to stay. This has been the case every offseason. Him and Sid are also best friends. He is being paid well.

And the Russian/English barrier was a joke. Guys like Larinov and Federov have lasted decades here. I just don't understand the misplaced logic: "if you're a Russian nhl player, you would be willing to leave to Russia at a moment's notice"

Weise doesn't need the Q treatment and this time has a say in it. For his sake I hope he succeeds wildly like Daley has and Brouwer as well, as shown by his convulsion like glee beating Q in Game 7.

No, Q had his chance with all 3 players.
- Mr Ricochet

And they all had their chances with Q - and didn't perform, at least to Q's specifications.

I would like to see Weise re-signed as well. Past history shows it takes players a little while to adjust to Q's system. But the problem is I thought Montreal traded him because he was going to be looking to get paid in free agency. He might be looking for the same 3 to 4 million Shaw is.

I could pose the reverse question to you and ask: isn't what you're saying an assumption too? These are all rumors. Mine was an assumption too; never said it wasn't. Nobody knows. Not even the rumors.

He's reiterated numerous times he is happy and wants to stay. This has been the case every offseason. Him and Sid are also best friends. He is being paid well.

And the Russian/English barrier was a joke. Guys like Larinov and Federov have lasted decades here. I just don't understand the misplaced logic: "if you're a Russian nhl player, you would be willing to leave to Russia at a moment's notice"
- DeflatedPucks

And I just heard again from someone else who overheard the rumor in Pittsburgh during the Finals.

This is the problem with the denials. it keeps bubbling up from more and more people.

But Hossa's cap circumventing contract...

No team is taking that without some serious overpay.
- EKB13

Hossa's contract did not circumvent the cap - it was a legal contract under terms of the then-governing CBA - and judged legal by the league.

Eh, it was cap circumvention, and against the rules now. So it is justified.
- cap1681

The penalty was put in place after the contract was signed so not exactly "fair".

But I'm moving on from this. Will update with anything else I hear, or should this thing be clarified further one way or the other.

JJ, great article as always.

I have said this once before... You could be wrong EVERY TIME with your reports, opinions, source information, whatever... I just enjoy the read/blog/conversations about the Hawks because I love the team and the sport (even though I have never played).

It is exciting to hear about what COULD happen, but knowing it may never happen or was ever close to happening doesn't matter to me. You bring up topics that are current, informative and controversial... so what, that is why it is fun to read and talk about.

slarm.