Fair points, buddy, appreciate the kind words.

If I were Bowman, off the top of my head, I might offer:

Anisimov
Kruger
Nick Schmaltz
Rights to Shaw

Anisimov and Kruger are useful players. Shaw is a winner. Schmaltz looks like a nice two-way top 6 guy.

Or I do Kane for Geno straight up. Seriously.
- John Jaeckel

its largely because i dont want to trade him, but i just cant get excited over the spare parts package.

the kane thing, whether either side would do it or not. blows my mind. i'm surprised you would.

It amuses me that people come to an NHL rumors site and complain that there are NHL rumors on it.
- matt_ahrens

Im still in shock that the Pens blog is dead. You just won a Cup and your blog is dead? I will say this. We have a rabid fan base here. We are on this blog throwing it around constantly..

It amuses me that people come to an NHL rumors site and complain that there are NHL rumors on it.
- matt_ahrens

It's like going to Taco Bell and complaining they only serve Mexican food.

John-

Well done, and I give you a lot of credit for having the guts to put stuff out there, and to sit here and deal with some trolls, not all opposing teams fans are but some are, and the request to info from posters, and then immediately saying it's asinine when it doesn't match what the fans or posters want to hear or believe.

on top of the kane wrist you injury, you also had the Crawford concussionS AND Sharp knee injury....

And for many outsiders or haters who post here, give me a guy in the Chicago media now who actually breaks a damn thing in regards to rumors, injuries, trades, or even team announcements (winter classic vs Wash). I can't think of one. Not one and before I go on Mex post crusade, think why that is.....and then check your negativity towards asset that John has become to many of us Hawks fans. You want a lay up blog? Go read 2ndcityhockey and enjoy the blind love that eveyr Hawks player is worth at least Crosby in return, and every Hawks prospect is the NEXT Patrick Kane.

You want a morale crusade against the Blackhawks organization? Go read Sam Fels or listen to Bernstein. You want to hear a guy use scapegoats as to why the Hawks lose, go listen or read Zawaski.

What do all the above have in common outside of Fels to an extent, they are muted and monitored by Brandon Faber and the Hawks. If you can't see the trees in front of you in regards to how this organization works and how the message is ALWAYS controlled then god be with you.

For everyone who begs for links or sources, like a few who no longer post here did over a year ago, I can flat out tell you that I have PERSONALLY met 3 guys on here that are LEGIT. you can believe or not, but there are guys on here who know a helluva lot more and have been run off at times by the delusional.

Remember the Hawks would never trade dear Teuvo because he was a sure fire top 6 player and next Kane....and the hawks would never trade Sharp.....and the Hawks would get a hometown discount from Kane/Toews or Saad or Shaw just because.

I get why the opposing fans come in here from time to time ridiculing us a band wagon fans because the intellect of many Hawks fans is so damn Cub like it makes me shake my head......

John's job is to report what he hears and if GMs want use puppets to keep the public off them, that's their choice.....but when multiple outlets over numerous markets report something similar....maybe it's factual?

Nobody on the Hawks blog knows who you are referring to when you mention "Sid". He is referred to as "Cindy" here. Just trying to help you out.
- Cmonalready

If that's the case (which I'm hoping it isn't...), you're dead wrong here. Additionally, it's a sexist remark. If you haven't taken the time to notice, we have female posters here as well.

In sum, lose the "Cindy" remark.

JJ,

I am not surprised to hear rumblings that Shaw and the Hawks are far apart. What would speculate the rights to Shaw would be worth, given that his camp is thinking north of $3.5M for ...3-4 years? Would it be a pick and prospect, cheaper vet depth, some other return?

Not the same

Malkin wants out (supposedly). Keith does not
Malkin could end up in Russia at any moment. Keith will retire in the NHL
Malkin makes almost twice of what Keith makes
Malkin is his teams 2nd line center. Keith is arguably the greatest all around D-man in the world

Pittsburgh could trade Malkin and maybe not feel the effects so bad...get huge cap relief, a couple prospects and could easily fill a line 2 center role (maybe not as good, but the improvements elsewhere could make up for it)...

while trading Keith would probably signal the end of the Hawks run as there would be no way a reciprocal value could be had from moving Keith. The chances of "somewhat" replacing his value to the Hawks is remote.

It's just not the same.
- kwolf68

Malkin is a top 5 center in the NHL, maybe even top 3. ANY center would be the #2 on Sid's team. But otherwise spot on.

It amuses me that people come to an NHL rumors site and complain that there are NHL rumors on it.
- matt_ahrens

Best post so far today.

Fair points, buddy, appreciate the kind words.

If I were Bowman, off the top of my head, I might offer:

Anisimov
Kruger
Nick Schmaltz
Rights to Shaw

Anisimov and Kruger are useful players. Shaw is a winner. Schmaltz looks like a nice two-way top 6 guy.

Or I do Kane for Geno straight up. Seriously.
- John Jaeckel

No, JJ! This is going completely the wrong direction.

The hawks can NOT add to the cost of their core. They already have too many high priced players. Even if you assume they get rid of Crawford, this trade would leave them with 8 pleayers taking up more than $58 million of the cap. Toews, Kane, Hoss, Malkin, Panarin @$6m, Seab, Dunc, Hammer. $58.3m! And in that scenario, you have to fill the rest of the roster with $1m players...and you've just included probably the best $1m (cost controlled) player the hawks have in their system.

Kane for Malkin is a deal that would work from a long term cap perspective.
Malkin for Seabrook would fit the long term cap perspective.

Adding Malkin to the hawks high-priced core without giving up one of our top paid players in return DOES NOT WORK.

Fair points, buddy, appreciate the kind words.

If I were Bowman, off the top of my head, I might offer:

Anisimov
Kruger
Nick Schmaltz
Rights to Shaw

Anisimov and Kruger are useful players. Shaw is a winner. Schmaltz looks like a nice two-way top 6 guy.

Or I do Kane for Geno straight up. Seriously.
- John Jaeckel

Hmmmm player at his peak and probably the most powerful offensive weapon in the game (and aside from two freak accidents maintained good health) vs player exiting his prime...

I would want a little more than just Malkin if moving Kane. Unless the brass feels like he hasn't been born again or whatever.

John-

Well done, and I give you a lot of credit for having the guts to put stuff out there, and to sit here and deal with some trolls, not all opposing teams fans are but some are, and the request to info from posters, and then immediately saying it's asinine when it doesn't match what the fans or posters want to hear or believe.

on top of the kane wrist you injury, you also had the Crawford concussionS AND Sharp knee injury....

And for many outsiders or haters who post here, give me a guy in the Chicago media now who actually breaks a damn thing in regards to rumors, injuries, trades, or even team announcements (winter classic vs Wash). I can't think of one. Not one and before I go on Mex post crusade, think why that is.....and then check your negativity towards asset that John has become to many of us Hawks fans. You want a lay up blog? Go read 2ndcityhockey and enjoy the blind love that eveyr Hawks player is worth at least Crosby in return, and every Hawks prospect is the NEXT Patrick Kane.

You want a morale crusade against the Blackhawks organization? Go read Sam Fels or listen to Bernstein. You want to hear a guy use scapegoats as to why the Hawks lose, go listen or read Zawaski.

What do all the above have in common outside of Fels to an extent, they are muted and monitored by Brandon Faber and the Hawks. If you can't see the trees in front of you in regards to how this organization works and how the message is ALWAYS controlled then god be with you.

For everyone who begs for links or sources, like a few who no longer post here did over a year ago, I can flat out tell you that I have PERSONALLY met 3 guys on here that are LEGIT. you can believe or not, but there are guys on here who know a helluva lot more and have been run off at times by the delusional.

Remember the Hawks would never trade dear Teuvo because he was a sure fire top 6 player and next Kane....and the hawks would never trade Sharp.....and the Hawks would get a hometown discount from Kane/Toews or Saad or Shaw just because.

I get why the opposing fans come in here from time to time ridiculing us a band wagon fans because the intellect of many Hawks fans is so damn Cub like it makes me shake my head......

John's job is to report what he hears and if GMs want use puppets to keep the public off them, that's their choice.....but when multiple outlets over numerous markets report something similar....maybe it's factual?

- SteveRain

Seriously, just clicked on one today about Kane and it is absolutely brutal. I hope those guys over there never make a mistake or are accused and acquitted, because, just for karma's sake, I would like to lambast them.

Blackhawks have done a fantastic job at keeping things under wraps. Other than the Malkin rumor really haven't heard anything on the Hawks, from any of the usual suspects.

So here's my attempt at working with what we have.

https://www.capfriendly.c...m/armchair-gm/team/132257

I agree that is true unless there is a much bigger deal being considered that makes more sense and people just can't fathom at the moment. For Chicago, acquiring Malkin and his salary just compounds an already bad salary structure there.

Pittsburgh could only benefit in moving Malkin by shedding salary, something that contrary to opinion is not a major issue at the moment. Many more reasonable and sensible ways to get a little more cap room than trading a super star for less in return.

That said, if we know this, then who's BSing who?
- NJPensfan

Good question--- who can honestly say they know that Malkin wants out of Pittsburgh--- to me that is the most deceiving thing here-- from all reports he loves it where he is-- just had a baby--

And where does St Louis come in here? To me its all smokescreen for something else--

John-

Well done, and I give you a lot of credit for having the guts to put stuff out there, and to sit here and deal with some trolls, not all opposing teams fans are but some are, and the request to info from posters, and then immediately saying it's asinine when it doesn't match what the fans or posters want to hear or believe.

on top of the kane wrist you injury, you also had the Crawford concussionS AND Sharp knee injury....

And for many outsiders or haters who post here, give me a guy in the Chicago media now who actually breaks a damn thing in regards to rumors, injuries, trades, or even team announcements (winter classic vs Wash). I can't think of one. Not one and before I go on Mex post crusade, think why that is.....and then check your negativity towards asset that John has become to many of us Hawks fans. You want a lay up blog? Go read 2ndcityhockey and enjoy the blind love that eveyr Hawks player is worth at least Crosby in return, and every Hawks prospect is the NEXT Patrick Kane.

You want a morale crusade against the Blackhawks organization? Go read Sam Fels or listen to Bernstein. You want to hear a guy use scapegoats as to why the Hawks lose, go listen or read Zawaski.

What do all the above have in common outside of Fels to an extent, they are muted and monitored by Brandon Faber and the Hawks. If you can't see the trees in front of you in regards to how this organization works and how the message is ALWAYS controlled then god be with you.

For everyone who begs for links or sources, like a few who no longer post here did over a year ago, I can flat out tell you that I have PERSONALLY met 3 guys on here that are LEGIT. you can believe or not, but there are guys on here who know a helluva lot more and have been run off at times by the delusional.

Remember the Hawks would never trade dear Teuvo because he was a sure fire top 6 player and next Kane....and the hawks would never trade Sharp.....and the Hawks would get a hometown discount from Kane/Toews or Saad or Shaw just because.

I get why the opposing fans come in here from time to time ridiculing us a band wagon fans because the intellect of many Hawks fans is so damn Cub like it makes me shake my head......

John's job is to report what he hears and if GMs want use puppets to keep the public off them, that's their choice.....but when multiple outlets over numerous markets report something similar....maybe it's factual?

- SteveRain

My Lord Steve... Another long post?!


I'm just kidding bud. Great insight - keep it coming.

Hmmmm player at his peak and probably the most powerful offensive weapon in the game (and aside from two freak accidents maintained good health) vs player exiting his prime...

I would want a little more than just Malkin if moving Kane. Unless the brass feels like he hasn't been born again or whatever.
- fattybeef

Well, you do save $1M/year for 6 years and he goes to FA a year earlier, so there's that.

Just throwing it out there....Weise is a cheaper option if Shaw doesn't work out. Sure Q benched him a bunch but if he had to pick between playing Weise or playing Rockford players something tells me he'd go with Weise.

These Pens fans need to go back to their own blog. The Malkin rumors? Good god people take a breath. Pens fans go enjoy your Cup. More then JJ have been given this info. I have seen it several places now. True/false/fantasy.. prolly all three. Its good fun to get us through the summer.
- z1990z

wow.

They're all blowing up my twitter.
- John Jaeckel

Good question--- who can honestly say they know that Malkin wants out of Pittsburgh--- to me that is the most deceiving thing here-- from all reports he loves it where he is-- just had a baby--

And where does St Louis come in here? To me its all smokescreen for something else--
- jb3333

Tarasenko.

its largely because i dont want to trade him, but i just cant get excited over the spare parts package.

the kane thing, whether either side would do it or not. blows my mind. i'm surprised you would.
- stayinthefnnet

If you step away from Kane the player, and realize how much agony he has put this organization through and embarrassment it wouldn't surprise me. Where is the level of trust and while....again....the puppets can write their fluff pieces about how he's working out in Chicago, and changed his tune, and whatever else......we have all seen this before.

I would doubt they would trade him BUT.....from an owner, a president who may be the biggest control freak in sports today, can you trust an asset who has shown zero signs of maturity, a path of self destruction at times, an obvious alcohol indulgence problem and inability to stay consistently away from trouble, and no matter how many of his boys the Hawks trade or dont' resign......kane just goes down that path every few years.

This right now very well could be the last Kane bullet in the eyes of McDonough and IF You were to trade Kane, you would need a huge return coming back, which makes Malkin that choice. Plus they have the new flavor in Panarin that they will pimp all over the place.

I wouldn't do it because I think Kane is only getting better and based on this year season I want to believe he has finally GOTTEN IT off the ice, but I can fully understand why the organization would be VERY hesitant to believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

Fair points, buddy, appreciate the kind words.

If I were Bowman, off the top of my head, I might offer:

Anisimov
Kruger
Nick Schmaltz
Rights to Shaw

Anisimov and Kruger are useful players. Shaw is a winner. Schmaltz looks like a nice two-way top 6 guy.

Or I do Kane for Geno straight up. Seriously.
- John Jaeckel

I wouldn't, swapping a top 2 RW in the world for another C, we need wingers, not C (for once)
What about a deal for Teows vs Malkin, our #1 C for another #1 C
(yes, ignore that Crysby happens to be the #1 in Pitt, Malkin is considered a #1)

another deal that might work numbers wise (with other ELC pieces to balance) is
Malkin for AA + 81
9.5AAV for 9.825AAV (4.55 + 5.275)

Thoughts?

It's like going to Taco Bell and complaining they only serve Mexican food.
- furso27

That's debatable.

Pens' fan here.

There is no reasonable hockey reason to trade Malkin. If the Pens trade Malkin, it would happen for non-hockey reasons. So....
- szielinski

Maybe, but there are hockey reasons too. Until kane had the year he had I had Malkin as the most dangerous offensive player on earth. No doubt a beast but in the last 3 years he's played 57, 69 and 60 games. Add, as I'm sure you're aware, Malkin can be disinterested for spells.

Bottom line this guy will put up a point a game when healthy, which he hasn't been for 3 consecutive years......

A concern, in fact I won't draft him in fantasy because he's just not on the ice often enough.

Maybe Stan is employing the "wag the dog" technique


And I believe Rutherford's comment on moving Malkin is - "None. We're not looking to move him. I did not get an inquiry from any team," Rutherford said Tuesday, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Well...Columbus wasn't looking for America either...

If you step away from Kane the player, and realize how much agony he has put this organization through and embarrassment it wouldn't surprise me. Where is the level of trust and while....again....the puppets can write their fluff pieces about how he's working out in Chicago, and changed his tune, and whatever else......we have all seen this before.

I would doubt they would trade him BUT.....from an owner, a president who may be the biggest control freak in sports today, can you trust an asset who has shown zero signs of maturity, a path of self destruction at times, an obvious alcohol indulgence problem and inability to stay consistently away from trouble, and no matter how many of his boys the Hawks trade or dont' resign......kane just goes down that path every few years.

This right now very well could be the last Kane bullet in the eyes of McDonough and IF You were to trade Kane, you would need a huge return coming back, which makes Malkin that choice. Plus they have the new flavor in Panarin that they will pimp all over the place.

I wouldn't do it because I think Kane is only getting better and based on this year season I want to believe he has finally GOTTEN IT off the ice, but I can fully understand why the organization would be VERY hesitant to believe anything that comes out of his mouth.
- SteveRain

I wouldn't do Kane for Geno straight up because of age and durability. If they were both 27 and Geno didn't miss as much time as he has, I'd consider it.