so you're a lawyer now??
- kaptaan

just do everyone a favor and stop talking about it.

so you're a lawyer now??
- kaptaan

Marwood may not be a lawyer, but I'm a ref here and he is correct, and I have warned about your Messier obsession.

Marwood may not be a lawyer, but I'm a ref here and he is correct, and I have warned about your Messier obsession.
- Makita

I mentioned the guy's name, but didn't make any accusation against the guy in my last post.

so every1 thinks that guy was a great leader for the Nux or something now??

I think the idea is the draft occurs before Free agency that pending UFA's would be a waste to pickup.

I thought this article did an okay job of creating a potential list.

http://www.thehockeynews....ght-get-shipped-to-vegas/
- belcherbd

good link.

was just thinking who the Canucks would expose.

I guess the league/PA has to determine what to do with the ntc/nmc players

As reported by TSN’s Frank Seravalli, each of the existing NHL teams would stand to lose one player if the league expands by one team and two if the league expands to include Las Vegas and Quebec City. Teams can protect (a) seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender or (b) eight skaters at any position and one goaltender.

Canucks that I'd expose without hesitating- Sbisa, Burrows, Higgins, Dorsett, Miller, Biega,

It is an interesting exercise to look at who you'd protect or not.

I agree, I don't think he will get the return people are hoping for so I think his presence on the team will be more valuable than what he will fetch.

That said I could see him garnering a bigger return at the TDL, although I generally expect disappointment there as well.
- belcherbd

His presence is great, really good work ethic, but like I said before I am caring less about getting the best deals and more about the roster turnover continuing. We said the same thing about Vrbata last offseason, bigger and better deals are made at the TDL and he barely had options by the time it came around. Trader Jim needs to just fire away with the first reasonable offer to come by.

If Hansen is moved, Vrbata isnt coming back and Burrows is a buyout contender, its almost a guarantee that one of these kids is going to be playing with the Twins all next season. How is that not a bigger/better impact on the kid's development than having another mentor in the room?

I mentioned the guy's name, but didn't make any accusation against the guy in my last post.

so every1 thinks that guy was a great leader for the Nux or something now??
- kaptaan

seriously just stop it. You are actually the only person who brings up Messier's name on ANY teams blog. How hard is it to just stop talking about him.

I mentioned the guy's name, but didn't make any accusation against the guy in my last post.

so every1 thinks that guy was a great leader for the Nux or something now??
- kaptaan

Everyone? Why? Because a couple of people said something on HB.

Tanev and Reilly are pretty damn awesome together.


One can dream

seriously just stop it. You are actually the only person who brings up Messier's name on ANY teams blog. How hard is it to just stop talking about him.
- Codes1087

messier is part of the darkest chapter in Nux history and even before that he established himself as a villain with his two handed chop to thomas gradin over the head, which is also a part of Nux history. he could've killed the guy.

i won't bring him up anymore though.

however, i found it funny how marwood was just waiting to jump in like a dirty shirt with his comment. eh marwood. couldn't help yourself huh...

Everyone? Why? Because a couple of people said something on HB.
- boonerbuck

lols... that was in response to one person.

just for future reference, don't take what i write too literally. bring some nuance to it... i'm just whiling away my break time.

lols... that was in response to one person.

just for future reference, don't take what i write too literally. bring some nuance to it... i'm just whiling away my break time.
- kaptaan

I just don't want to be accused of thinking he was a great leader.

good link.

was just thinking who the Canucks would expose.

I guess the league/PA has to determine what to do with the ntc/nmc players

As reported by TSN’s Frank Seravalli, each of the existing NHL teams would stand to lose one player if the league expands by one team and two if the league expands to include Las Vegas and Quebec City. Teams can protect (a) seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender or (b) eight skaters at any position and one goaltender.

Canucks that I'd expose without hesitating- Sbisa, Burrows, Higgins, Dorsett, Miller, Biega,


It is an interesting exercise to look at who you'd protect or not.
- hillbillydeluxe

I don't think Higgins, Burrows, Miller would have a contract at that point unless they get extensions

Sedins, Sutter, Hansen, Granlund, Edler, Tanev, Sbisa and Biega are the only guys we have currently who would be eligible. Obviously any trades and signings will change that.

Baertschi will likely need to be added as well as Etem as I assume they will be signed to contracts that continue past that time.

I'm more curious about Horvat, Gaunce, Hutton and Tryamkin who will be RFA's that off-season. If any are signed to extensions prior to then they would all need to be protected I believe.

To me the logjam of waiver eligible D is a good thing rather than a problem.

The young D all know that it is an issue and that should give them extra incentive to be ready to roll for training camp. Odds are a couple will be waived. No one wants to be that person. JB and co will look at how people perform in training camp, who is making the cut and who isn't, and what their future potential looks like. If they lose a couple at the bottom because they weren't good enough or didn't prepare enough, so be it. At this point JB does not know who will shine and who wont. Having extra bodies to lose means he has a better chance of having the right ones in the camp to start with. If the bottom feeders end up clearing waivers and playing in Utica, that is a massive bonus.

I'm just curious, but who do you think are any Hansen comparibles with respect to other team's players. He's obviously an excellent utility player, who can be slotted in pretty much anywhere, chips in some timely offense, and is a great team/low maintenance player (not to mention still being fairly young and having a very friendly cap hit) . These types of players are few and far between and a great asset to have on any team.

I've tried to think who might be a similar type of player but at the moment have come up with blanks so far, as there doesn't seem to be any one that particularly stands out who is in the same mould and with similar personal/physical attributes.

Any thoughts?

To me the logjam of waiver eligible D is a good thing rather than a problem.

The young D all know that it is an issue and that should give them extra incentive to be ready to roll for training camp. Odds are a couple will be waived. No one wants to be that person. JB and co will look at how people perform in training camp, who is making the cut and who isn't, and what their future potential looks like. If they lose a couple at the bottom because they weren't good enough or didn't prepare enough, so be it. At this point JB does not know who will shine and who wont. Having extra bodies to lose means he has a better chance of having the right ones in the camp to start with. If the bottom feeders end up clearing waivers and playing in Utica, that is a massive bonus.
- Lostinarink

I agree, I just think the ideal number is 7 D with 1 way and a couple on 2 ways that can push. If Stecher or Subban have an amazing camp and Vancouver has 8 guys on 1-way deals (maybe more if they are active in Free Agency), its harder to clear room and run the risk of a Corrado situation where the guy you want getting icetime in Utica is the most likely to be claimed (and no I dont and didnt care about losing him, but it isnt an ideal situation in general)

His presence is great, really good work ethic, but like I said before I am caring less about getting the best deals and more about the roster turnover continuing. We said the same thing about Vrbata last offseason, bigger and better deals are made at the TDL and he barely had options by the time it came around. Trader Jim needs to just fire away with the first reasonable offer to come by.

If Hansen is moved, Vrbata isnt coming back and Burrows is a buyout contender, its almost a guarantee that one of these kids is going to be playing with the Twins all next season. How is that not a bigger/better impact on the kid's development than having another mentor in the room?
- WhiteLie

Because I don't believe having kids play in the NHL and gifted roles is the same as them developing.

The mentorship thing isn't about having a guy to rub shoulders with as much as it is having guys to carry the team.

Edmonton's kids have had plenty of guys to rub shoulders with but they still have been asked from day 1 to carry the team, very very few kids can do this.

I don't think Higgins, Burrows, Miller would have a contract at that point unless they get extensions

Sedins, Sutter, Hansen, Granlund, Edler, Tanev, Sbisa and Biega are the only guys we have currently who would be eligible. Obviously any trades and signings will change that.

Baertschi will likely need to be added as well as Etem as I assume they will be signed to contracts that continue past that time.

I'm more curious about Horvat, Gaunce, Hutton and Tryamkin who will be RFA's that off-season. If any are signed to extensions prior to then they would all need to be protected I believe.
- belcherbd

was just thinking exposing pending ufa's is a no brainer.

I was thinking Bo would be okay because he'd still be on his entry level contract but he'd have just completed his 3rd season

"The answer is that first- and second-year professional players - including those in the minors - will be exempt from the expansion draft. Players entering the third and final year of their entry-level contract would be eligible, though."Frank Seravalli, TSN

Sounds like they will need to be protected.

“You may lose a good player, but it’s only one,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said. “The details are very similar to our previous expansion drafts, except it is designed and intended to create a somewhat deeper draft so the expansion club can be more competitive early on.”

Artem Chubarov
- belcherbd

Byron Bitz

I'm just curious, but who do you think are any Hansen comparibles with respect to other team's players. He's obviously an excellent utility player, who can be slotted in pretty much anywhere, chips in some timely offense, and is a great team/low maintenance player (not to mention still being fairly young and having a very friendly cap hit) . These types of players are few and far between and a great asset to have on any team.

I've tried to think who might be a similar type of player but at the moment have come up with blanks so far, as there doesn't seem to be any one that particularly stands out who is in the same mould and with similar personal/physical attributes.

Any thoughts?
- Zogg

Really tough question, I dont think there is an exact comparable but I think there are a few guys that have similarities. In my mind/opinion I see someone like Beleskey or Abdelkader as a similar player (though both are younger)

EDIT: Cogliano also comes to mind, though I think he is more skilled offensively and Hansen is a more tenacious checker.

I'm just curious, but who do you think are any Hansen comparibles with respect to other team's players. He's obviously an excellent utility player, who can be slotted in pretty much anywhere, chips in some timely offense, and is a great team/low maintenance player (not to mention still being fairly young and having a very friendly cap hit) . These types of players are few and far between and a great asset to have on any team.

I've tried to think who might be a similar type of player but at the moment have come up with blanks so far, as there doesn't seem to be any one that particularly stands out who is in the same mould and with similar personal/physical attributes.

Any thoughts?
- Zogg

Joel Ward comes to mind for me but obviously different ages and Ward is a bit more of a banger but have been used similarly over there careers.

Jokinen, Eriksson and Williams to a certain extent as well.

MacArthur

Because I don't believe having kids play in the NHL and gifted roles is the same as them developing.

The mentorship thing isn't about having a guy to rub shoulders with as much as it is having guys to carry the team.

Edmonton's kids have had plenty of guys to rub shoulders with but they still have been asked from day 1 to carry the team, very very few kids can do this.
- belcherbd

I agree, I dont want things to be gifted but there is only so much icetime available in a game and whoever rides with the twins is going to get a lot of it. The team is a sitting duck right now in my view, even if you keep Hansen it wont make the playoffs, and if you trade him you wont either. Expanding the roles and opportunities to play with scorers would probably help a guy like JV tremendously. With Hansen around, he probably continues to learn the grinding role with Dorsett

I also completely forgot about Sutter, so even if Hansen is moved, he probably moves into that spot

I agree, while I have been critical of some of his moves, I do like that he moved on from players that didn't fit even if he originally thought they would. Sbisa, Vey, Granlund and Miller hopefully this offseason...
- belcherbd

FIXED

I agree, I dont want things to be gifted but there is only so much icetime available in a game and whoever rides with the twins is going to get a lot of it. The team is a sitting duck right now in my view, even if you keep Hansen it wont make the playoffs, and if you trade him you wont either. Expanding the roles and opportunities to play with scorers would probably help a guy like JV tremendously. With Hansen around, he probably continues to learn the grinding role with Dorsett

I also completely forgot about Sutter, so even if Hansen is moved, he probably moves into that spot
- WhiteLie

If you could trade Hansen for a pick or prospect, aren't you further ahead? JV plays big minutes in Utica and develops.

Sign a UFA to a short contract and still compete for a playoff spot?

Might have to overpay for the short contract, but isn't that like, as they say, paying for a prostitute, you aren't necessarily paying for the sex as much as you are paying them to leave after?

was just thinking exposing pending ufa's is a no brainer.

I was thinking Bo would be okay because he'd still be on his entry level contract but he'd have just completed his 3rd season

"The answer is that first- and second-year professional players - including those in the minors - will be exempt from the expansion draft. Players entering the third and final year of their entry-level contract would be eligible, though."Frank Seravalli, TSN

Sounds like they will need to be protected.

“You may lose a good player, but it’s only one,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said. “The details are very similar to our previous expansion drafts, except it is designed and intended to create a somewhat deeper draft so the expansion club can be more competitive early on.”
- hillbillydeluxe

Good reason to keep JM and JV in Utica all season.

If you could trade Hansen for a pick or prospect, aren't you further ahead? JV plays big minutes in Utica and develops.

Sign a UFA to a short contract and still compete for a playoff spot?
- hillbillydeluxe

This is what I want and add Edler to the list with his replacement being hamhuis.