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TyCamScore
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.09.2010

Jun 27 @ 8:50 PM ET
I have zero doubt of his acumen, and that of his advisers, including his father.

I do think though there is enough evidence to suggest that the Hawks don't let the GM be a gunslinger. McD fired Tallon for that. It's a corporate decision-making process, and the Tallon experience probably tells every Hawk executive they're being watched closely. Perception is King at 1901 W. Madison St.

And that kind of decision-making process can be slow (at best). When time is not on your side to begin with, that's not a good thing.

- John Jaeckel


So the opposite skills to being able to pull off a trade on the draft floor.

Along with going up the chain of command, one would think Stan would have a very analytical way to making trades - makes for a lengthy process - and for some old school GMs (ie. Sather, Holland, Maloney) might drive them nuts.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jun 27 @ 8:51 PM ET
or do the other GMs look at Sharp and ask themselves, he is worth 6 mil a year for two more years.. hhhhhmmmmmm
- Topshelf2010

Maybe / probably they do.

But would an owner want to take on a guy like Jeff Skinner who gets a concussion every 10 games and may not even be insurable now? Thats a lot of cake to eat if he can't play.

Or Kessel who is owed $55M and who in the last couple of years of his deal may look like Colin Montgomery out on the ice.
SnapitUpstairs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CHICAGO, IL
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 27 @ 8:53 PM ET
I don't buy this completely. Most GM's in the league would probably prefer to screw Glen Sather and the Rangers at the drop of a hat but almost all deal with him when he is buying or selling which he does frequently.

But you are right about the cap, no getting around that.

- RickJ


>I believe (could be wrong) Stan got some cap relief in both 2010 and 2013 at the draft
>Crickets this time
>Like all Hawk fans, I hope things go the way the Hawks want them to -- not liking it so far
sgt1480
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago, IL
Joined: 07.01.2012

Jun 27 @ 8:53 PM ET
I have zero doubt of his acumen, and that of his advisers, including his father.

I do think though there is enough evidence to suggest that the Hawks don't let the GM be a gunslinger. McD fired Tallon for that. It's a corporate decision-making process, and the Tallon experience probably tells every Hawk executive they're being watched closely. Perception is King at 1901 W. Madison St.

And that kind of decision-making process can be slow (at best). When time is not on your side to begin with, that's not a good thing.

- John Jaeckel

McEgo is a marketing genius. It's all about the brand to him. It seems if Stanley needs to take a dump he must get the ok from Johnnie boy himself. Micromanagement may work for short periods of time to get a business over a hump but in the end after a longer period, productivity and morale go to the toilet.
bhawk1s
Joined: 06.27.2014

Jun 27 @ 8:53 PM ET
If Hossa decides to join brother Marcel in the KHL next year , does that void his NHL contract and all Hawk recapture penalties ? Or has that loophole been closed ?
SnapitUpstairs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CHICAGO, IL
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 27 @ 8:56 PM ET
Never thought I'd say this, but I have more faith in the market mechanism - but less faith in Stan's ability to "know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em" - and how to go toe-to-toe with other GMs.

Three Cups - I'll give him high marks for that (however much credit he deserves for the first) - but I don't think trading is a strong point.

- StLBravesFan


>Sage, my initial comments were more about: "Why wouldn't anyone -- who needed him -- WANT Patrick Sharp?
>That's what got me thinking about other GMs playing hardball with Stan
yobwoc03
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Commit To The Indian, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 27 @ 8:56 PM ET
>Is it true that only 1 (Chevy) or 2 GMs (and Tallon) congratulated the Hawks on winning the Cup yesterday?
>If so, then Stan should see reality a little clearer today: most of his peers have not won a single Cup -- let alone 3 -- and nobody is going to help Stan in any way
>If a team can meet their needs without dealing with the Blackhawks -- they will -- it's called "buying around the Blackhawks"
>And if they really like what Stan has, they will trade with him -- on their terms
>Stan is dealing from a major position of weakness -- and when the music stops -- he might not have a chair

- SnapitUpstairs



It was 2. Chevy and Bergevin. Dale did not.
Topshelf2010
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 09.29.2011

Jun 27 @ 8:57 PM ET
Maybe / probably they do.

But would an owner want to take on a guy like Jeff Skinner who gets a concussion every 10 games and may not even be insurable now? Thats a lot of cake to eat if he can't play.

Or Kessel who is owed $55M and who in the last couple of years of his deal may look like Colin Montgomery out on the ice.

- RickJ

I would stay away from Kessel and Skinner. Risk verse Reward. But you never know. Long term contracts are quite risky.
SnapitUpstairs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CHICAGO, IL
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 27 @ 8:59 PM ET
It was 2. Chevy and Bergevin. Dale did not.
- yobwoc03


>Thanks
>Seems ridiculously low (and classless)
KingB
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.24.2011

Jun 27 @ 9:01 PM ET
McEgo is a marketing genius. It's all about the brand to him. It seems if Stanley needs to take a dump he must get the ok from Johnnie boy himself. Micromanagement may work for short periods of time to get a business over a hump but in the end after a longer period, productivity and morale go to the toilet.
- sgt1480


With each Stanley Cup, Stan Bo is distancing himself from McD and other GMs. If StanBo resigned today or after a 'bad' season next year, how many suitors do you think he would have?

StanBo is under the least pressure to win big this year, and even next, than any other GM in the NHL.
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Jun 27 @ 9:02 PM ET
Never thought I'd say this, but I have more faith in the market mechanism - but less faith in Stan's ability to "know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em" - and how to go toe-to-toe with other GMs.

Three Cups - I'll give him high marks for that (however much credit he deserves for the first) - but I don't think trading is a strong point.

- StLBravesFan



This.
SnapitUpstairs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CHICAGO, IL
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 27 @ 9:02 PM ET
From Stan's viewpoint, if he can't get what he thinks is fair value, he can always dump later for sub-value. The difference in sub-value later is likely to be very marginal.

And, I might add, in the big game of poker that is being played, Stan has far more chips (Three Cups) than the other GMs. Stan if under NO pressure to win big this year. That cannot be said for many other GMs. So who's really under the most pressure?

If Stan has to dump later, he is likely to accommodate a buddy; and then GMs under the gun will have to answer.

If you can't take a top-tier to the prom, does it really that much difference in choosing between 2's, 3, or 4s at the last minute?

- KingB


>Like your thinking in any year where the Hawks have to dump salary but do NOT have to sign RFA's
>What about the RFA challenge?

KingB
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.24.2011

Jun 27 @ 9:03 PM ET
>Thanks
>Seems ridiculously low (and classless)

- SnapitUpstairs


You are right; and sadly that is a pervasive problem in the NHL.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jun 27 @ 9:04 PM ET
>Sage, my initial comments were more about: "Why wouldn't anyone -- who needed him -- WANT Patrick Sharp?
>That's what got me thinking about other GMs playing hardball with Stan

- SnapitUpstairs


More a case of GM's determined to buy at clearance sale pricing and the VP of Sales still insisting on MSRP.

Ever met an accountant who thought he was a skilled sales manager too? They rarely are.
KingB
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.24.2011

Jun 27 @ 9:07 PM ET
>Like your thinking in any year where the Hawks have to dump salary but do NOT have to sign RFA's
>What about the RFA challenge?

- SnapitUpstairs


The Hawks have about $14.2m to work with. They can sign up to 10% above cap, which would be $71.4 plus $7.14m or $78.54m. They are a bit over $64m now.

The problem will be with Richards and Oduya, who cannot wait too long to resign. If Saad and Kruger cost $7m and change, the Hawks would still have around $7m to sign UFAs and RFAs.

The notable RDAs are Nordy, Rundblad and Svedberg, which is no big deal. So if Oduya isn't cheap, there should still be $4.5m or so to sign a vet or two.
SnapitUpstairs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CHICAGO, IL
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 27 @ 9:07 PM ET
More a case of GM's determined to buy at clearance sale pricing and the VP of Sales still insisting on MSRP.

Ever met an accountant who thought he was a skilled sales manager too? They rarely are.

- RickJ


>Yes, I have
>
>Think you nailed it...
Cmonalready
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 9:09 PM ET
The last two days probably cost the Hawks Richards and Desi. No way they can sign those two without having completed some of the necessary salary purge.
SnapitUpstairs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CHICAGO, IL
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 27 @ 9:10 PM ET
The Hawks have about $14.2m to work with. They can sign up to 10% above cap, which would be $71.4 plus $7.14m or $78.54m. They are a bit over $64m now.

The problem will be with Richards and Oduya, who cannot wait too long to resign. If Saad and Kruger cost $7m and change, the Hawks would still have around $7m to sign UFAs and FAs.

- KingB


>Thanks
>Was concerned that Johnny O could be a goner if the cap dump took all summer
>Hammer loves playing with Johnny O -- was hoping the Hawks would have at least an outside shot at him
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 27 @ 9:10 PM ET
>Sage, my initial comments were more about: "Why wouldn't anyone -- who needed him -- WANT Patrick Sharp?
>That's what got me thinking about other GMs playing hardball with Stan

- SnapitUpstairs


Achh - who knows - getting tired of "win the Cup - have a purge; win the Cup - have a purge" year after year.

If only oil would get back to $110 per barrel, and gas go to $6 per gallon, so the Looney would get back to parity with the dollar and the cap could get over $80MM....

Wait - let me read all of that again....
SnapitUpstairs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CHICAGO, IL
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 27 @ 9:13 PM ET
Achh - who knows - getting tired of "win the Cup - have a purge; win the Cup - have a purge" year after year.

If only oil would get back to $110 per barrel, and gas go to $6 per gallon, so the Looney would get back to parity with the dollar and the cap could get over $80MM....

Wait - let me read all of that again....

- StLBravesFan


>Yeah, can't say I like seeing a Cup winning team broken up days after the Cup is won
>Got to run
>Hopefully, some good Hawk news soon
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 27 @ 9:15 PM ET
The last two days probably cost the Hawks Richards and Desi. No way they can sign those two without having completed some of the necessary salary purge.
- Cmonalready


No they haven't.
TTtime
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jun 27 @ 9:16 PM ET
>Yeah, can't say I like seeing a Cup winning team broken up days after the Cup is won
>Got to run
>Hopefully, some good Hawk news soon

- SnapitUpstairs

Is 12 days ago too long ?
TTtime
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jun 27 @ 9:17 PM ET
Achh - who knows - getting tired of "win the Cup - have a purge; win the Cup - have a purge" year after year.

If only oil would get back to $110 per barrel, and gas go to $6 per gallon, so the Looney would get back to parity with the dollar and the cap could get over $80MM....

Wait - let me read all of that again....

- StLBravesFan


Win a Cup. I like those words.
TTtime
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jun 27 @ 9:17 PM ET
No they haven't.
- mohel

Source?
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jun 27 @ 9:25 PM ET
Source?
- TTtime


Same source as the poster I quoted.

Speaking of Source........is he still unnamed?
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