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gramps
Location: Chandler, AZ
Joined: 10.10.2006

Jun 27 @ 5:21 PM ET
Yes, so? Just because they didn't draft him doesn't mean they shouldn't expect a return back.

Maybe Haggerty is better than his numbers suggest? Those vids show a nice shot. They also show a lot of space and time - something he will not see in the pros.

- tredbrta


So the Rangers shouldn't expect a return for a FA they signed a year ago?
Marlowe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wild Wild West, IL
Joined: 06.29.2014

Jun 27 @ 5:25 PM ET
Interesting factoid:
@TGfireandice: Pronger could be the first player voted into the Hall of Fame two days after he was traded.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Jun 27 @ 5:27 PM ET
The leverage comes from how big the market is - how many teams are after your guy - has little to do with your dire situation.

The problem with waiting is that suitors drop out because they've solved their issues from other sources.

It seems (don't know anything for sure) that that's what happened ladt year with Leddy - had there still been more teams looking at Leddy on October 1, the return would have been better.

- StLBravesFan


Yes and with larger long term contracts with older players or those who have underperformed the market or pool of buyers is smaller.

But the pool of buyers after Oct 1 is always small...Teams have their rosters set and unless a a LTIR situation occurs they don't have money to spend...or budget teams won't be able to spend.
So the closer it gets to opening night the less likely you will have any leverage....
I can't remember a big trade EVER happening within a few days of the opener.

Like I said earlier there were a few circumstances that happened in the Leddy situation and they all went against Bowman....

But if he wasn't in the plans and Q wasn't going to play him the playoffs in the later rounds-He could have been dealt at the deadline too or anytime after the season ended before the Cap # was announced.

Time is not on the Hawks side in these must sell situations...and this time they have 2 guys to dump!
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jun 27 @ 5:33 PM ET
Yes and with larger long term contracts with older players or those who have underperformed the market or pool of buyers is smaller.

But the pool of buyers after Oct 1 is always small...Teams have their rosters set and unless a a LTIR situation occurs they don't have money to spend...or budget teams won't be able to spend.
So the closer it gets to opening night the less likely you will have any leverage....
I can't remember a big trade EVER happening within a few days of the opener.

Like I said earlier there were a few circumstances that happened in the Leddy situation and they all went against Bowman....

But if he wasn't in the plans and Q wasn't going to play him the playoffs in the later rounds-He could have been dealt at the deadline too or anytime after the season ended before the Cap # was announced.

Time is not on the Hawks side in these must sell situations...and this time they have 2 guys to dump!

- Al


Who really knows if there was even an offer from anybody for Sharp or Bickell.
Sundevil
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 04.24.2012

Jun 27 @ 5:34 PM ET
Odds of an offer sheet is rising
the_dough_boy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.01.2012

Jun 27 @ 5:38 PM ET
Speculation Gagner will be bought out by the flyers. Think the hawks should take a chance with him? If he signs for 1M or less could be pretty nice?
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 27 @ 5:40 PM ET
Speculation Gagner will be bought out by the flyers. Think the hawks should take a chance with him? If he signs for 1M or less could be pretty nice?
- the_dough_boy

Cant believe he would take 1 mil
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jun 27 @ 5:45 PM ET
Who really knows if there was even an offer from anybody for Sharp or Bickell.
- RickJ


Stan Bowman.

That said, I think there was, and maybe more than one, for Sharp. I don't think there was for Bickell.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jun 27 @ 5:48 PM ET
I think Haggerty has some real jump.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQo5A6dE9Q


watch about 28 seconds in how he quickly walks across.
That IS a shot too...

and he fights too, lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq-xl41hC5k

- wiz1901


Hard to say whether he's the next coming of Patrick Sharp or . . . Brandon Bochenski. But he does jump out on tape against NCAA opposition.

Raanta will likely back up the King, good on Bowman that it looks he got something back that could be a factor at some point.
DK002
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Evanston, IL
Joined: 06.12.2012

Jun 27 @ 5:55 PM ET
Stan Bowman.

That said, I think there was, and maybe more than one, for Sharp. I don't think there was for Bickell.

- John Jaeckel


This...^^^^^^

Stan needs to move salary and it seems he had a golden opportunity this week to at least get Sharp off the books. But it also looks as though he overplayed his hand a bit. As Al mentions as we move further into the summer other teams will resolve their needs elsewhere...This isn't the first time this has happened.

Again I don't know enough about the targeting rules, but JJ I believe you mentioned something about at least moving Sharp's money before they could sign Saad to a new deal...

We'll see what happens when free agency starts next week.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 27 @ 5:56 PM ET
Yes and with larger long term contracts with older players or those who have underperformed the market or pool of buyers is smaller.

But the pool of buyers after Oct 1 is always small...Teams have their rosters set and unless a a LTIR situation occurs they don't have money to spend...or budget teams won't be able to spend.
So the closer it gets to opening night the less likely you will have any leverage....
I can't remember a big trade EVER happening within a few days of the opener.

Like I said earlier there were a few circumstances that happened in the Leddy situation and they all went against Bowman....

But if he wasn't in the plans and Q wasn't going to play him the playoffs in the later rounds-He could have been dealt at the deadline too or anytime after the season ended before the Cap # was announced.

Time is not on the Hawks side in these must sell situations...and this time they have 2 guys to dump!

- Al


Or more.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jun 27 @ 6:12 PM ET
Yeah, the person that took the swipe at me, that I am not a professional scout.
I actually take this very seriously and put all my love and energy behind it and my eyeballs are as good as anybody's and maybe better. I don't have a staff to gather intel like McKenzie Button, and ISS.

I stand by my results and they were better than any of these professional experts.

Shane Malloy Sirius hockey prospects radio
Four misses
Jansen Harkins
Jonas Siegenthaler
Paul Bittner
Jeremy Roy

Bob McKenzie
TSN
Five misses
Paul Bittner
Brandon Carlo
Jeremy Roy
Jansen Harkins


ISS

Six misses
Paul Bittner
Brandon Carlo
Jeremy Roy
Jansen Harkins
Daniel Sprong
Jeremy Bracco

Craig Button
TSN
Five misses
Jansen Harkins
Mitchell Vande Sompel
Jeremy Roy
Thomas Novak
Erik Foley


Corey Pronman ESPN

Five misses
Oliver Kylington
Jeremy Bracco
Daniel Sprong
Jeremy Roy
Filip Chlapik


Wiz on DraftSite.com

FOUR MISSES

Paul Bittner
Brandon Carlo
Jeremy Roy
Jansen Harkins


Take that MFs...my record stands by itself, averaging four misses since 2009...

- wiz1901



Just for the record, it wasn't it me, it was the guy answering my post. I was saying i was disturbed because Hawks were drafting guys you didn't even have as draftable.

It truly was a DARK point on this thread!
Sandus
Joined: 12.04.2009

Jun 27 @ 6:16 PM ET
Just for the record, it wasn't it me, it was the guy answering my post. I was saying i was disturbed because Hawks were drafting guys you didn't even have as draftable.

It truly was a DARK point on this thread!

- vabeachbear

All the subtlety of a freight train. You might as well have just come out and said it
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 6:16 PM ET
Hard to say whether he's the next coming of Patrick Sharp or . . . Brandon Bochenski. But he does jump out on tape against NCAA opposition.

Raanta will likely back up the King, good on Bowman that it looks he got something back that could be a factor at some point.

- John Jaeckel


Lots of talk trades of Kessel and Phaneuf are waiting for large paychecks happening by July 1. Does Sharp have a similar payment waiting?
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 27 @ 6:18 PM ET
Zuccarello a candidate for LTIR? Nasty injury and after effect?

He needs to ditch Dan Boyle and Tanner Glass too.

- RickJ


Zuccarello wants a big payday too.
nyhawkfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NY
Joined: 06.12.2013

Jun 27 @ 6:18 PM ET
Hard to say whether he's the next coming of Patrick Sharp or . . . Brandon Bochenski. But he does jump out on tape against NCAA opposition.

Raanta will likely back up the King, good on Bowman that it looks he got something back that could be a factor at some point.

- John Jaeckel



I have seasons tickets to RPI, and I can say what you see from Haggerty in his clips is pretty much spot on. Really good shot, good offensively, good on the PP, a little lacking on D ( but I didn't see any of him in Hartford last year, so maybe a year in the pro game taught him more of a 2 way game).

He was our (RPI's) one of our if not top offensive threat in his 3 years here. He was a gamer with some spunk to him. He left after his junior season.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 27 @ 6:20 PM ET
Just for the record, it wasn't it me, it was the guy answering my post. I was saying i was disturbed because Hawks were drafting guys you didn't even have as draftable.

It truly was a DARK point on this thread!

- vabeachbear


Was over it the minute I fired off the results.

I just got hot under the collar that I became insignificant on my day to shine, after all the work...dat's all
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 27 @ 6:20 PM ET
I have seasons tickets to RPI, and I can say what you see from Haggerty in his clips is pretty much spot on. Really good shot, good offensively, good on the PP, a little lacking on D ( but I didn't see any of him in Hartford last year, so maybe a year in the pro game taught him more of a 2 way game).

He was our (RPI's) one of our if not top offensive threat in his 3 years here. He was a gamer with some spunk to him. He left after his junior season.

- nyhawkfan


He has a lot of Patrick Sharp in his game.
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Jun 27 @ 6:23 PM ET
I have seasons tickets to RPI, and I can say what you see from Haggerty in his clips is pretty much spot on. Really good shot, good offensively, good on the PP, a little lacking on D ( but I didn't see any of him in Hartford last year, so maybe a year in the pro game taught him more of a 2 way game).

He was our (RPI's) one of our if not top offensive threat in his 3 years here. He was a gamer with some spunk to him. He left after his junior season.

- nyhawkfan


Thanks for the info. Will be interesting to see how he develops in Rockford this year. I still see it as an underpay for a goalie with a fairly decent sampling of NHL time and good numbers but goalies weren't exactly bringing expected returns this year.

Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 27 @ 6:28 PM ET
Yeah, the person that took the swipe at me, that I am not a professional scout.
I actually take this very seriously and put all my love and energy behind it and my eyeballs are as good as anybody's and maybe better. I don't have a staff to gather intel like McKenzie Button, and ISS.

I stand by my results and they were better than any of these professional experts.

Shane Malloy Sirius hockey prospects radio
Four misses
Jansen Harkins
Jonas Siegenthaler
Paul Bittner
Jeremy Roy

Bob McKenzie
TSN
Five misses
Paul Bittner
Brandon Carlo
Jeremy Roy
Jansen Harkins


ISS

Six misses
Paul Bittner
Brandon Carlo
Jeremy Roy
Jansen Harkins
Daniel Sprong
Jeremy Bracco

Craig Button
TSN
Five misses
Jansen Harkins
Mitchell Vande Sompel
Jeremy Roy
Thomas Novak
Erik Foley


Corey Pronman ESPN

Five misses
Oliver Kylington
Jeremy Bracco
Daniel Sprong
Jeremy Roy
Filip Chlapik


Wiz on DraftSite.com

FOUR MISSES

Paul Bittner
Brandon Carlo
Jeremy Roy
Jansen Harkins


Take that MFs...my record stands by itself, averaging four misses since 2009...

- wiz1901


What do you mean by misses? These guys should have been drafted earlier? Later? Not at all? Just trying to figure it out
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jun 27 @ 6:47 PM ET
So they resign Saad and Kruger....where the heck do you think they would be? Also, this may mean they can't sign ANY UFAs that could be bargain basement pickups as backup for kids.

No chance both Bick and Sharp are here night before puck drop. I bet at least one is gone by July 1.

- kwolf68


be careful what you bet on when it comes to stanbow and player movement....

i am sure if a poll was taken 3 days ago...90% or more of the posters would have taken the bet that sharp and/or bicks were gone by/on draft day...


Maggie
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 03.06.2010

Jun 27 @ 7:04 PM ET
Yeah, the person that took the swipe at me, that I am not a professional scout.
I actually take this very seriously and put all my love and energy behind it and my eyeballs are as good as anybody's and maybe better. I don't have a staff to gather intel like McKenzie Button, and ISS.

I stand by my results and they were better than any of these professional experts.

Shane Malloy Sirius hockey prospects radio
Four misses
Jansen Harkins
Jonas Siegenthaler
Paul Bittner
Jeremy Roy

Bob McKenzie
TSN
Five misses
Paul Bittner
Brandon Carlo
Jeremy Roy
Jansen Harkins


ISS

Six misses
Paul Bittner
Brandon Carlo
Jeremy Roy
Jansen Harkins
Daniel Sprong
Jeremy Bracco

Craig Button
TSN
Five misses
Jansen Harkins
Mitchell Vande Sompel
Jeremy Roy
Thomas Novak
Erik Foley


Corey Pronman ESPN

Five misses
Oliver Kylington
Jeremy Bracco
Daniel Sprong
Jeremy Roy
Filip Chlapik


Wiz on DraftSite.com

FOUR MISSES

Paul Bittner
Brandon Carlo
Jeremy Roy
Jansen Harkins


Take that MFs...my record stands by itself, averaging four misses since 2009...

- wiz1901



You are Numero 1 in my book!
Cmonalready
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 27 @ 7:11 PM ET
Raanta for Hagerty: was salary cap a consideration? Raanta was on a one-way at $750k. Hagerty a two-way. Would any of Raanta's $750k count against the cap if he was in Rockford?
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Jun 27 @ 7:12 PM ET
Not sure what Stanley is up to here.

Maybe he knows something that we don't?

Maybe Hossa is done? Goes to LTIR ala Pronger?

Very interesting.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Jun 27 @ 7:13 PM ET
Raanta for Hagerty: was salary cap a consideration? Raanta was on a one-way at $750k. Hagerty a two-way. Would any of Raanta's $750k count against the cap if he was in Rockford?
- Cmonalready


No
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