Kessel phaneuf bozak what's that 19.5 mil in cap in the summer. I agree you may not "win" the kessel trade but you can't keep him or it will be the same thing year after year.
- jake24242

Dumbest (frank)ing mentality ever. The trade worked for both teams until Boston royally (frank)ed it up.

I'm sure Phil would get quite the Hall.



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- eichiefs9

Adam hall?

My guess is that its his creation and baby, doesnt want to see it sold off in the hopes he gets better so he can resume the site.

If his health as bad as it is, im sure he doesnt want to deal with the sale and running of it right now.
- DDM-Coga

This statement looks pretty accurate.

Nhlnumbers.com heard is an alternate but not as good as the geek .......
- Ur Not Me

at that layout. why wouldnt they just follow capgeek's model?

Dumbest (frank)ing mentality ever. The trade worked for both teams until Boston royally (frank)ed it up.
- glove_was_stuck

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the future Kessel trade not the past one.

Dumbest (frank)ing mentality ever. The trade worked for both teams until Boston royally (frank)ed it up.
- glove_was_stuck

No one is talking about the Boston leaf trade.... We are saying trading him now or in the summer from the leafs.

Exactly. The likes of Staal, Marleau, etc. or any player isn't going to fix this mess. Blow the damn thing up already. Team is in terrible shape in almost every way. Cap/contracts, prospects (decent at best...terrible for a team who has made the playoffs once in 11 years), current roster makeup....depressing
- clark_griswold

Really?
The Leafs haven't beat the best teams in the league this year? They don't need to 'blow it up'.
I'm not saying there aren't problems- but I think they are leadership problems.
RC gone is a start- Dion next... You move those two all of the sudden guys realize that anyone can be moved, and hopefully start playing more consistent hockey.
Agreed the prospects could look better considering the team has done so poorly for so long...

Why would the Leafs want a 35yr old center on the decline? Where do these rumors even come from?

Really?
The Leafs haven't beat the best teams in the league this year? They don't need to 'blow it up'.
I'm not saying there aren't problems- but I think they are leadership problems.
RC gone is a start- Dion next... You move those two all of the sudden guys realize that anyone can be moved, and hopefully start playing more consistent hockey.
Agreed the prospects could look better considering the team has done so poorly for so long...
- Liger4

So you wana move dion and get better from it? Ya not happening you arnt moving a 29 year old D at 7 mil for a player that helps us more right now. You move him and that starts a rebuild not a retool.

Kessel phaneuf bozak what's that 19.5 mil in cap in the summer. I agree you may not "win" the kessel trade but you can't keep him or it will be the same thing year after year.
- jake24242

I agree. The culture has to change. Kessel for Oshie and Jaden Scharwtz

So you wana move dion and get better from it? Ya not happening you arnt moving a 29 year old D at 7 mil for a player that helps us more right now. You move him and that starts a rebuild not a retool.
- jake24242

Admittedly Leafs would have to retain some of his salary, but if you don't think a team heading to the playoffs wouldn't give up a high pick & prospect to grab Dion (especially if he was a 3 or 4 d man on that team) you're nuts.
Do we get better immediately? No. But Phaneuf is not Captain material, and we both know it, so why wait to move him?

I agree. The culture has to change. Kessel for Oshie and Jaden Scharwtz
- Champ

Interesting I would do that I think but would stl

Dumbest (frank)ing mentality ever. The trade worked for both teams until Boston royally (frank)ed it up.
- glove_was_stuck

No one is talking about that trade. If you trade Kessel now, the player you are acquiring will not be as good. That is all we are saying. Right now, Toronto and BOSTON would love to have Seguin.

Interesting I would do that I think but would stl
- jake24242

probably not Schwartz, hes a big cog in that team, really under rated. They would want to move Berglund first if they could, Rattie in the AHL probably too.

But not sure if all the value is there without Schwartz

Admittedly Leafs would have to retain some of his salary, but if you don't think a team heading to the playoffs wouldn't give up a high pick & prospect to grab Dion (especially if he was a 3 or 4 d man on that team) you're nuts.
Do we get better immediately? No. But Phaneuf is not Captain material, and we both know it, so why wait to move him?
- Liger4

I agree he could be trade for picks and prospects but that contradicts what u just said that's a rebuild if you take away dion and replace his ice time with what gardiner def be tank nation. Plus those puck and prospects don't help the leadership issue you presented you get true leadership from playoff experience and no one is available that is better then dion. You don't trade away those players.

Really?
The Leafs haven't beat the best teams in the league this year? They don't need to 'blow it up'.
I'm not saying there aren't problems- but I think they are leadership problems.
RC gone is a start- Dion next... You move those two all of the sudden guys realize that anyone can be moved, and hopefully start playing more consistent hockey.
Agreed the prospects could look better considering the team has done so poorly for so long...
- Liger4

Beating the best teams in the league really doesn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. The Oilers have beaten MTL, TBL, NYI, NYR, and LAK. Big whoop.

So you wana move dion and get better from it? Ya not happening you arnt moving a 29 year old D at 7 mil for a player that helps us more right now. You move him and that starts a rebuild not a retool.
- jake24242

Colorado needs a D desperately. Make a package for ROR and sign him for $6-$7 mil long term.

probably not Schwartz, hes a big cog in that team, really under rated. They would want to move Berglund first if they could, Rattie in the AHL probably too.

But not sure if all the value is there without Schwartz
- DDM-Coga

Agreed I think stl would rather them I think rattie is good just no room for him on that team.

Interesting I would do that I think but would stl
- jake24242

They need more scoring

Colorado needs a D desperately. Make a package for ROR and sign him for $6-$7 mil long term.
- Champ

Need to build from the backed out and he's a second liner we have Kadri for that and not for 6-7 mil

No one is talking about the Boston leaf trade.... We are saying trading him now or in the summer from the leafs.
- jake24242

Just the whole "winning the trade" mentality. It's a losers mentality and usually celebrated by fans of losing teams. Just don't like it.

Colorado needs a D desperately. Make a package for ROR and sign him for $6-$7 mil long term.
- Champ

Yes they do, but with MacK, EJ, Barrie, and ROR (if they don't move him)...they all need new contracts in the same offseason. They need to shell out the big money D contract to EJ first. Hes such a rock for that team, they would be lost without him.

If ROR goes, my guess they are moving that money around, not relocating it in 1 player

Just the whole "winning the trade" mentality. It's a losers mentality and usually celebrated by fans of losing teams. Just don't like it.
- glove_was_stuck

I would say the Boychuk trade was a tie.

Just the whole "winning the trade" mentality. It's a losers mentality and usually celebrated by fans of losing teams. Just don't like it.
- glove_was_stuck

Don't really follow there is a winner or loser or tie for evey single trade. If you trade Crosby for Colton Orr you wouldn't consider that a loss trade for Pitts? Come on.

Agreed I think stl would rather them I think rattie is good just no room for him on that team.
- jake24242

If they move Oshie, Rattie has to be his replacement but that makes a huge hope on the RW depth if both are moved. Packaging Oshie & Berglund up makes the most sense since they can insert trade target on the LW side and call up Rattie to balance out the Top 9 again