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rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Dec 17 @ 10:54 AM ET
He doesn't play soft. Body might be a lil soft as he's always getting injured. Quick healer that lil bugger though and he's almost completely rebuilt. Robot like
- nanook82


He'd be perfect here... According to the Pens, their medical staff is the best in the NHL... except when they are exposing sick kids, reporters, and their own staff to the mumps.
s0rcerer1984
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States, VA
Joined: 07.03.2008

Dec 17 @ 10:54 AM ET
What do you think it costs to land Boedker and Kassian? Sutter is going the other way which would kill our bottom 6 talent right? Next
- dbell646


I wouldn't move Sutter now, but I would do it this offseason.

Sutter likely won't be re-signed after his current deal & if he can bring back a RFA W like Boedker who could be signed long-term, I'd be all for it.
nanook82
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Dec 17 @ 10:54 AM ET
If the GM wouldn't trade Mike Comrie for Corey Perry and a first, why is this even being discussed?
- Topshelf Mountain

Ummm different GM but yeah.

Now was it for the "prospect" Perry or the 1st round selection of that year + 2005 1st?? I can't remember
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 10:54 AM ET
Ryan,

In response to your Weber for Hall offer, I don't think Nashville does it for two reasons.

1) The Predators have invested a ridiculous amount of hard cash into Shea Weber based on his contract structure, and I can't see them being cool with paying all of that money just to trade him.
2) Nashville is a fantastic hockey market, and Shea Weber is their captain and the player they have chosen to lead them into the future. The fans adore him (rightfully so) and he is the key to the team's connection.

So, in a vacuum, Hall for Weber is a fair value trade (I'd say Weber has more value as an elite defender is the hardest commodity to find in hockey), I don't think Nashville does it for other reasons.

Think of it like this: If the Penguins got some package like Stamkos and Hedman with 50% contract retained, Drouin, and 5 1st round pucks for TB for Crosby, would Pittsburgh trade him? The smart hockey move would be yes, but they wouldn't, because he is more to the Penguins that just their hockey player. He is the player they have sold to their fans as their leader, and deviating from him would not sit well with the fans.
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Dec 17 @ 10:56 AM ET
Ummm different GM but yeah.

Now was it for the "prospect" Perry or the 1st round selection of that year + 2005 1st?? I can't remember

- nanook82


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...st-pay-for-trade-1.399739
nanook82
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Dec 17 @ 10:56 AM ET
He'd be perfect here... According to the Pens, their medical staff is the best in the NHL... except when they are exposing sick kids, reporters, and their own staff to the mumps.
- rival22

nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Dec 17 @ 10:56 AM ET
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znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Dec 17 @ 10:56 AM ET
What do you think it costs to land Boedker and Kassian? Sutter is going the other way which would kill our bottom 6 talent right? Next! Also Vancouver is in the playoff race so they aren't trading roster players and Arizona really has the same positional depth as we do.
- dbell646


We can find somewhere to land a player of that skill for a prospect and a pick. I'm against trading sutter or offense roster players. Trade from our abundance of d and get back someone who can help on offense
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Dec 17 @ 10:57 AM ET
Ryan,

In response to your Weber for Hall offer, I don't think Nashville does it for two reasons.

1) The Predators have invested a ridiculous amount of hard cash into Shea Weber based on his contract structure, and I can't see them being cool with paying all of that money just to trade him.
2) Nashville is a fantastic hockey market, and Shea Weber is their captain and the player they have chosen to lead them into the future. The fans adore him (rightfully so) and he is the key to the team's connection.

So, in a vacuum, Hall for Weber is a fair value trade (I'd say Weber has more value as an elite defender is the hardest commodity to find in hockey), I don't think Nashville does it for other reasons.

Think of it like this: If the Penguins got some package like Stamkos and Hedman with 50% contract retained, Drouin, and 5 1st round pucks for TB for Crosby, would Pittsburgh trade him? The smart hockey move would be yes, but they wouldn't, because he is more to the Penguins that just their hockey player. He is the player they have sold to their fans as their leader, and deviating from him would not sit well with the fans.

- jmatchett383

I love Crosby more then anyone but I'd make that trade
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Dec 17 @ 10:57 AM ET
We can find somewhere to land a player of that skill for a prospect and a pick. I'm against trading sutter or offense roster players. Trade from our abundance of d and get back someone who can help on offense
- znagle

You're a GM with a talented top 6 winger currently playing in the NHL with years of control left. Are you trading him for Dumo/Harrington and picks?
usethe1-2-2
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 03.02.2014

Dec 17 @ 10:58 AM ET
What is the obsession with Kassian around here? He isn't top six and would cost too much to get considering age and contract value.
Bergenheim and Tlusty should be heavily looked at. I would take both if the price fit.

We don't have enough pieces (top end pieces) to land a Hall anyway.
nanook82
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Dec 17 @ 10:59 AM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/oilers-comrie-must-pay-for-trade-1.399739
- Topshelf Mountain

thanks for that.

But who knows... we'd probably have ruined Perry.

I believe Dallas traded down that year to Anaheim for a couple 2nd rounders.... so two GM's messed up there???
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:00 AM ET
I love Crosby more then anyone but I'd make that trade
- dbell646


You may as a devout hockey fan, but the casual Penguin fan (majority of Pittsburghian, I'm guessing) would be incensed over trading him, or even trading Malkin. You have to put PR into the equation, and even more so in Nashville.
znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Dec 17 @ 11:00 AM ET
You're a GM with a talented top 6 winger currently playing in the NHL with years of control left. Are you trading him for Dumo/Harrington and picks?
- dbell646


Depending on the status of the team (where they are in the ranks, what they need and see in talent) then yes. Oilers should except a trade for perron that consists of a solid defenseman. Plus you get a pick or two, EDM isn't going anywhere soon so that will help

I think maatta for ebs could work out.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Dec 17 @ 11:00 AM ET
Ryan,

In response to your Weber for Hall offer, I don't think Nashville does it for two reasons.

1) The Predators have invested a ridiculous amount of hard cash into Shea Weber based on his contract structure, and I can't see them being cool with paying all of that money just to trade him.
2) Nashville is a fantastic hockey market, and Shea Weber is their captain and the player they have chosen to lead them into the future. The fans adore him (rightfully so) and he is the key to the team's connection.

So, in a vacuum, Hall for Weber is a fair value trade (I'd say Weber has more value as an elite defender is the hardest commodity to find in hockey), I don't think Nashville does it for other reasons.

Think of it like this: If the Penguins got some package like Stamkos and Hedman with 50% contract retained, Drouin, and 5 1st round pucks for TB for Crosby, would Pittsburgh trade him? The smart hockey move would be yes, but they wouldn't, because he is more to the Penguins that just their hockey player. He is the player they have sold to their fans as their leader, and deviating from him would not sit well with the fans.

- jmatchett383


I would do that Crosby deal lol
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:01 AM ET
I would do that Crosby deal lol
- YouMeAndDupuis9


See my above post.
znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Dec 17 @ 11:01 AM ET
You may as a devout hockey fan, but the casual Penguin fan (majority of Pittsburghian, I'm guessing) would be incensed over trading him, or even trading Malkin. You have to put PR into the equation, and even more so in Nashville.
- jmatchett383


Sid for stamkos, hedman, drouin and 5 1sts? I think anyone would do that
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:02 AM ET
thanks for that.

But who knows... we'd probably have ruined Perry.

I believe Dallas traded down that year to Anaheim for a couple 2nd rounders.... so two GM's messed up there???

- nanook82


Sorry bud! Nothing more depressing than looking at previous draft years and playing the "What if?" game.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:02 AM ET
Depending on the status of the team (where they are in the ranks, what they need and see in talent) then yes. Oilers should except a trade for perron that consists of a solid defenseman. Plus you get a pick or two, EDM isn't going anywhere soon so that will help

I think maatta for ebs could work out.

- znagle


You mean for ROR right
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:02 AM ET
You're a GM with a talented top 6 winger currently playing in the NHL with years of control left. Are you trading him for Dumo/Harrington and picks?
- dbell646


Of course you're not, which is why this whole thing is silly. He's the ONLY guy that will definitely not be moved. RNH, Schultz, Yakupov, Eberle...sure, they could be moved. But Hall is the guy you build your offense around. Unless you're going to offer up a Jamie Benn+ type of deal, he will not be moved. Maata and spare parts won't do it.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:02 AM ET
Depending on the status of the team (where they are in the ranks, what they need and see in talent) then yes. Oilers should except a trade for perron that consists of a solid defenseman. Plus you get a pick or two, EDM isn't going anywhere soon so that will help

I think maatta for ebs could work out.

- znagle

Who is the solid proven defenseman you are sending to Edmonton? I'm not trying to be a Richard but a team like Edmonton has D prospects why would they trade Perron for Dumo/Harrington and a pick?
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Dec 17 @ 11:02 AM ET
Fleury, Bortuzzo and Maatta all being tested for mumps... Great job guys...



Immediately after this picture...

"(Crosby) was sick yesterday so he saw the doctors," Johnston said. "The doctors cleared him to skate this morning. He looks fine."

A few hours later:

"There is no indication at this time that this is the mumps, but we are going to hold him out as a precaution," Rutherford said. "We'll have additional test results in a few days."

ChetManly
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I think Chet Manly is the worst poster on this site - James Tanner
Joined: 06.25.2013

Dec 17 @ 11:03 AM ET
These posts are awesome... thanks for making my work day go by faster... for some of the new posters:

Hole not whole
You're not your

Happy Holidays

- nh4442

yur a hole lot of kewlness
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Dec 17 @ 11:03 AM ET
These posts are awesome... thanks for making my work day go by faster... for some of the new posters:

Hole not whole
You're not your

Happy Holidays

- nh4442


Oh, I didn't want to be the nitpicky bumhole, as I make my fair share of grammar mistakes, but since you've set the bar...players have a "role" not a "roll". That's the one that bugs me haha.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 17 @ 11:03 AM ET
Sid for stamkos, hedman, drouin and 5 1sts? I think anyone would do that
- znagle


And how do you sell to the casual fan that you're moving the golden boy of Pittsburgh who you have declared the face of the team? How many people will be trading in their Crosby jerseys for Stamkos jerseys?
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