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Palmer117
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Bridgeville , PA
Joined: 06.10.2014

Dec 17 @ 9:07 PM ET
You know what I'm not giving up on 68 being a pen 3-2-15
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Dec 17 @ 9:34 PM ET
So, back onto stuff not hypothetical....

Who DOESNT have the mumps on the Penguins right now?
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Dec 17 @ 9:36 PM ET
Also... who else saw that James Neal was the first to be shamed under the new diving rules and penalties?
Palmer117
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Bridgeville , PA
Joined: 06.10.2014

Dec 17 @ 9:41 PM ET
Yes dupis coming back for the playoffs something we didn't have last year.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Dec 17 @ 9:53 PM ET
Yes dupis coming back for the playoffs something we didn't have last year.
- Palmer117


I can't believe I'm responding to this but serious question...

I think chances are very slim that Dupuis can make a comeback mid-playoffs, but IF that is a possibility, do you guys think JR should prepare for that? Do we need to leave cap space open for his potential return? I don't know how the cap/coming back from LTIR/playoffs work..
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 17 @ 9:58 PM ET
Your only flyers fan that makes sense
- Palmer117

Actually, a few of us make sense. We do so in shifts, to keep yous on your toes.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 17 @ 9:58 PM ET
potentially remaking dott and ft
- ChrisMS

oh please oh please
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Dec 17 @ 10:00 PM ET
I can't believe I'm responding to this but serious question...

I think chances are very slim that Dupuis can make a comeback mid-playoffs, but IF that is a possibility, do you guys think JR should prepare for that? Do we need to leave cap space open for his potential return? I don't know how the cap/coming back from LTIR/playoffs work..

- YouMeAndDupuis9


6 Months average rehab, he should be back nearly a month BEFORE playoffs.

And due to his time out, the cap hit won't become the full amount when he returns, it will adjust for his time on injurred reserve.

really simple Google searching gives an answer.

http://www.capgeek.com/fa...injured-reserve-LTIR-work

Figure roughly 65-75% of his salary over the cap limit we can spend before he returns.
As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

Dec 17 @ 10:09 PM ET
Any word if any other Pens have the mumps?
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Dec 17 @ 10:12 PM ET
6 Months average rehab, he should be back nearly a month BEFORE playoffs.

And due to his time out, the cap hit won't become the full amount when he returns, it will adjust for his time on injurred reserve.

really simple Google searching gives an answer.

http://www.capgeek.com/fa...injured-reserve-LTIR-work

Figure roughly 65-75% of his salary over the cap limit we can spend before he returns.

- Guile


I have to Google answers at work all day long, so I appreciate you doing the legwork

Sorry, I got my timeline off with the 6 month thing as well. Anyway, I guess that explains it. So no big worry here, basically just dont max out on the relief provided by LTIR and we can still bring him back. He'd be a heck of a bottom 6 addition around deadline time assuming we've already shored up our top 6 winger situation by then...
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Dec 17 @ 10:13 PM ET
Any word if any other Pens have the mumps?
- As_I_See_It


Maatta, Bortz, and Fleury had symtpoms. Not confirmed though.

One intern was confirmed.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Dec 17 @ 10:34 PM ET
I have to Google answers at work all day long, so I appreciate you doing the legwork

Sorry, I got my timeline off with the 6 month thing as well. Anyway, I guess that explains it. So no big worry here, basically just dont max out on the relief provided by LTIR and we can still bring him back. He'd be a heck of a bottom 6 addition around deadline time assuming we've already shored up our top 6 winger situation by then...

- YouMeAndDupuis9



You didn't read that at all did you -_-
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Dec 17 @ 10:37 PM ET
You didn't read that at all did you -_-
- Guile


Nope.

Took you at your word.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Dec 17 @ 10:44 PM ET
Nope.

Took you at your word.

- YouMeAndDupuis9


My word was a very rough estimate, with lazy math before reading. Still closer than your blind guess, however, reading that gives exact figures.

edit: grabbing poop from the link.

"The upper limit is $70.0M. A team has a cap payroll or Averaged Club Salary of $69.0M on the day a player with a $4.0M cap hit is placed on LTIR. The team is now eligible to spend up to a new upper limit of $73.0M ($69.0M + $4.0M)."

So... Penguins were dry humping the cap limit of 69 at Salary Cap Payroll 68,733,334.

So, take the difference of that from 69 mil, then ADD Dupuis' salary. That is our new limit.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Dec 17 @ 10:54 PM ET
My word was a very rough estimate, with lazy math before reading. Still closer than your blind guess, however, reading that gives exact figures.

edit: grabbing poop from the link.

"The upper limit is $70.0M. A team has a cap payroll or Averaged Club Salary of $69.0M on the day a player with a $4.0M cap hit is placed on LTIR. The team is now eligible to spend up to a new upper limit of $73.0M ($69.0M + $4.0M)."

So... Penguins were dry humping the cap limit of 69 at Salary Cap Payroll 68,733,334.

So, take the difference of that from 69 mil, then ADD Dupuis' salary. That is our new limit.

- Guile


But dont cap limits soften for the playoffs? If not..

we fill that space now with trade X, and Dupuis comes back, we lose the cap relief when he comes off LTIR and might not have room under the cap for Dupuis to return...
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 17 @ 11:07 PM ET
Cap doesn't matter in the playoffs

They will just keep Dupuis on IR until they can afford to bring him back (5, 3, 1 games before the season ends to get him in game shape) Take him off IR and he's good to go for the entire playoffs
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Dec 17 @ 11:18 PM ET
Cap doesn't matter in the playoffs

They will just keep Dupuis on IR until they can afford to bring him back (5, 3, 1 games before the season ends to get him in game shape) Take him off IR and he's good to go for the entire playoffs

- RoloTahmasee



That brings up the REAL question... where do you put Dupuis when he returns? I think it goes without saying, HCMJ liked Dupuis in the top 2 lines. But the plan is to have someone brought in to take Crosby's wing, and "techincally" Comeau's spot.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 18 @ 12:52 AM ET
But dont cap limits soften for the playoffs? If not..

we fill that space now with trade X, and Dupuis comes back, we lose the cap relief when he comes off LTIR and might not have room under the cap for Dupuis to return...

- YouMeAndDupuis9

I believe there is no cap in the playoffs. I could be wrong, though.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 18 @ 12:53 AM ET
That brings up the REAL question... where do you put Dupuis when he returns? I think it goes without saying, HCMJ liked Dupuis in the top 2 lines. But the plan is to have someone brought in to take Crosby's wing, and "techincally" Comeau's spot.
- Guile

If he's coming back during the playoffs, it might not be the best idea putting a guy who doesn't have his game legs right on the top line.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Dec 18 @ 2:04 AM ET
That brings up the REAL question... where do you put Dupuis when he returns? I think it goes without saying, HCMJ liked Dupuis in the top 2 lines. But the plan is to have someone brought in to take Crosby's wing, and "techincally" Comeau's spot.
- Guile


He'll have to play on the 4th line

We'll have Jagr, Hall, Kunitz, Hornqvist, Bennett and Tlusty at the top 6 Wingers..... won't we??
walshy66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @walshy66 www.hockeyhurts.com
Joined: 03.21.2008

Dec 18 @ 2:55 AM ET
I know I'm a little late to the party but after MAFs kid had health issues im kinda hoping his mump symptoms don't cause a negative effect on the health of his family.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Dec 18 @ 6:11 AM ET
Giving up what it would take to get a name like hall would leave the pens worse off than they are now. I say leave sutter and malkin together and search for a 3 c and a mid level top six winger for sid.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Dec 18 @ 7:52 AM ET
If I'm the oilers I trade all the support guys pack it in for the season and get my center with the 1 or 2 pick in the draft. Sure fans are going to be pissed but what's 1 more year
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Dec 18 @ 8:02 AM ET
I believe there is no cap in the playoffs. I could be wrong, though.
- BulliesPhan87


There is no cap, and I believe the active roster grows as well (Black Aces).
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 18 @ 10:02 AM ET
There is no cap, and I believe the active roster grows as well (Black Aces).
- jmatchett383

tyvm
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