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coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 29 @ 7:32 AM ET
I have read that Philly is not interested but they sure could use what Kane on his best days brings (grit and first line scoring on the Left side). That said, Philly is in a serious cap crunch and would need to lose or break even in cap space. Since Kane is young they may be willing to throw in a high draft pick since they have zero forward prospect depth. While even I scoff at this proposal it might be interesting for both sides.

Kane for Akeson, VL, L. Schenn, 1st.

Huge risk for both sides but WPG gets a young player with upside that played well in the POs in Akeson (at one point leading the team in scoring), a D man which they need that still has upside (though this year is really make or break) a long term contract which might be attractive in a place that has UFA attracting issues in VL and a first in a deep draft. Flyers clear space and take on a risky player yet GOOD player. They also get out of VL long term risky deal and do not lose any core pieces. They lose forward depth while adding a quality piece. Risky for both side but maybe interesting for them as well.

Edit: personally I think he goes to TOR where Reimer goes the other way. Just my 2 cents
kpartridge31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 06.13.2012

Jul 29 @ 8:06 AM ET
That's no where near the package that Chevy would want from Philly.. Try Read, Laughton, Coburn and a 1st.. If Nashville wouldn't take Vinny WPG won't. Hextall also has gone o record with 2 pts.. First, that the key to winning is to build through the draft and keep as many high picks as possible and he has said that none of his 19/20 yr olds are ready for the NHL. Second, he doesn't believe in free agency because it forces bad contracts and over payment. PHI won't need Kane bc Jake and G are so good they can play with anyone on their wing, and they have enough forward depth that can play multiple positions in the top and bottom 6. Yes they don't have an elite winger but, Hextall isn't going to gut the team for one either especially when they don't have the pieces in the system to fill those roster spots. It tough bc GMs aren't trading their young prospects and picks anymore and I doubt any will with this draft coming up..
Oilers4Life14
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ON
Joined: 03.06.2013

Jul 29 @ 8:21 AM ET
You're right, he's better.
- elcabong


lol no.
SENSpatriot
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.02.2008

Jul 29 @ 8:22 AM ET
Have long thought that Ottawa is the team with the assets and desire to get a deal done. Kane is that elusive "hard" player that Murray says he wants to acquire. Kane would be a great fit on a line with Zibanejad.
- spatso


And Winnipeg really needs a veteran Goalie. What else would winnipeg want from Ottawa? Puempel and Smith?

Murray would counter attack with Anderson, Puempel and a 2rnd pick. Jets would be good with Andy. He will be a vezina goalie this season
soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Jul 29 @ 8:32 AM ET
I can assure you that Mtl is in on Kane big time. As are a lot of teams.

Mtl need a big left winger to play with Galchenyuk and Gallagher for years and i can't see a better fit than Kane.

Galchenyuk is ready to take 2nd line minutes at center but an actual center must go.

So Eller or Plekanec would have to be in the deal. We also have one of Beaulieu or Tinordi. Both are ready for Nhl but are left D and there is only one spot available for until Markov or Emelin goes, so probably not before 2-3 years.

So i would guess a combination of them + maybe a pick or even Tokarski would be a pretty good package for Kane.

I think Plekanec, Beaulieu and a 2nd or 3rd pick would be a fair deal.
Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Jul 29 @ 8:51 AM ET
You're right, he's better.
- elcabong

ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jul 29 @ 8:52 AM ET
I can assure you that Mtl is in on Kane big time. As are a lot of teams.

Mtl need a big left winger to play with Galchenyuk and Gallagher for years and i can't see a better fit than Kane.

Galchenyuk is ready to take 2nd line minutes at center but an actual center must go.

So Eller or Plekanec would have to be in the deal. We also have one of Beaulieu or Tinordi. Both are ready for Nhl but are left D and there is only one spot available for until Markov or Emelin goes, so probably not before 2-3 years.

So i would guess a combination of them + maybe a pick or even Tokarski would be a pretty good package for Kane.

I think Plekanec, Beaulieu and a 2nd or 3rd pick would be a fair deal.

- soad_live


I think they trade him mid season after he starts scoring around a 30 goal clip again. I think you'd be looking at:

Eller + beaulieu + 1st

I'm not sure Eller is enough of a draw for the guaranteed nhler back tho. I do wonder if they ask for Gallagher.
magmoo
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Garf is expendabilittle., HI
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jul 29 @ 8:56 AM ET
And Winnipeg really needs a veteran Goalie. What else would winnipeg want from Ottawa? Puempel and Smith?

Murray would counter attack with Anderson, Puempel and a 2rnd pick. Jets would be good with Andy. He will be a vezina goalie this season

- SENSpatriot




elcabong
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm not sure... I lost my GPS, QC
Joined: 07.02.2010

Jul 29 @ 8:56 AM ET
I can assure you that Mtl is in on Kane big time. As are a lot of teams.

Mtl need a big left winger to play with Galchenyuk and Gallagher for years and i can't see a better fit than Kane.

Galchenyuk is ready to take 2nd line minutes at center but an actual center must go.

So Eller or Plekanec would have to be in the deal. We also have one of Beaulieu or Tinordi. Both are ready for Nhl but are left D and there is only one spot available for until Markov or Emelin goes, so probably not before 2-3 years.

So i would guess a combination of them + maybe a pick or even Tokarski would be a pretty good package for Kane.

I think Plekanec, Beaulieu and a 2nd or 3rd pick would be a fair deal.

- soad_live


I doubt Plekanec would waive his NTC to go to Winnipeg. If the Canadiens are serious about Kane, we'll know soon after PK signs or not.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jul 29 @ 8:56 AM ET
That's no where near the package that Chevy would want from Philly.. Try Read, Laughton, Coburn and a 1st.. If Nashville wouldn't take Vinny WPG won't. Hextall also has gone o record with 2 pts.. First, that the key to winning is to build through the draft and keep as many high picks as possible and he has said that none of his 19/20 yr olds are ready for the NHL. Second, he doesn't believe in free agency because it forces bad contracts and over payment. PHI won't need Kane bc Jake and G are so good they can play with anyone on their wing, and they have enough forward depth that can play multiple positions in the top and bottom 6. Yes they don't have an elite winger but, Hextall isn't going to gut the team for one either especially when they don't have the pieces in the system to fill those roster spots. It tough bc GMs aren't trading their young prospects and picks anymore and I doubt any will with this draft coming up..
- kpartridge31


For Kane!!!!! Maybe that package if you toss is Bogosian.

The Flyers top Defenseman. A legit 25 goal scorer, their top offensive prospect and a 1 for Kane!!!
soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Jul 29 @ 9:00 AM ET
I doubt Plekanec would waive his NTC to go to Winnipeg. If the Canadiens are serious about Kane, we'll know soon after PK signs or not.
- elcabong


Humm, knowing Plekanec, i think he would accept a trade to Winnipeg, considering there is only 2 years left on his contract.
l3ig_l2ecl
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Unfortunately, QC
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 29 @ 9:04 AM ET
I think they trade him mid season after he starts scoring around a 30 goal clip again. I think you'd be looking at:

Eller + beaulieu + 1st

I'm not sure Eller is enough of a draw for the guaranteed nhler back tho. I do wonder if they ask for Gallagher.

- ystoil




elcabong
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm not sure... I lost my GPS, QC
Joined: 07.02.2010

Jul 29 @ 9:07 AM ET
I think they trade him mid season after he starts scoring around a 30 goal clip again. I think you'd be looking at:

Eller + beaulieu + 1st

I'm not sure Eller is enough of a draw for the guaranteed nhler back tho. I do wonder if they ask for Gallagher.

- ystoil

I doubt anyone is giving out firsts this year. However, I think you're correct about Gallagher. He could very well be the guy they want back for Kane. I hope not though.
blizzzard
New Jersey Devils
Location: Orillia, ON
Joined: 07.02.2011

Jul 29 @ 9:08 AM ET
For Kane!!!!! Maybe that package if you toss is Bogosian.

The Flyers top Defenseman. A legit 25 goal scorer, their top offensive prospect and a 1 for Kane!!!

- 3flyerkids

I get he won't go for free but not one is going to give up three assets that have a good chance of tripling lanes production as the that clearly makes you worse no one makes a trade for a young player and gives up more then they will ever get out of that player. I would offer a first and gelinas because he seems to be having trouble agreeing on a deal with nj I don't care how laughable that offer is the kid isn't worth giving up 3 potential 60 pt players which could contribute 180 pts to your team for a guy who might get 70 lol it makes no sense if the jets have to keep him so be it they are the ones under pressure to do something a first a 50 pt player and top prospect would be a terrible trade for any team to give up for a guy who hasn't hit 80 pts
elcabong
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm not sure... I lost my GPS, QC
Joined: 07.02.2010

Jul 29 @ 9:13 AM ET
I get he won't go for free but not one is going to give up three assets that have a good chance of tripling lanes production as the that clearly makes you worse no one makes a trade for a young player and gives up more then they will ever get out of that player. I would offer a first and gelinas because he seems to be having trouble agreeing on a deal with nj I don't care how laughable that offer is the kid isn't worth giving up 3 potential 60 pt players which could contribute 180 pts to your team for a guy who might get 70 lol it makes no sense if the jets have to keep him so be it they are the ones under pressure to do something a first a 50 pt player and top prospect would be a terrible trade for any team to give up for a guy who hasn't hit 80 pts
- blizzzard

I agree. No one is giving up a ton of assets for Kane. Realistically, it will be a one for one trade with maybe a long-shot prospect thrown in for good measure.

So the guy going back would need to be of equal value. Unless of course there are more players involved.
yemrots
Location: Leafs need a backup goalie more than a stud defenceman this year
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 29 @ 9:17 AM ET
I doubt anyone is giving out firsts this year. However, I think you're correct about Gallagher. He could very well be the guy they want back for Kane. I hope not though.
- elcabong

If they trade Kane it will be for a winger or d-man.
They would have 0 interest in Eller....I think they have the fourth line center position covered.
l3ig_l2ecl
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Unfortunately, QC
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 29 @ 9:28 AM ET
I agree. No one is giving up a ton of assets for Kane. Realistically, it will be a one for one trade with maybe a long-shot prospect thrown in for good measure.

So the guy going back would need to be of equal value. Unless of course there are more players involved.

- elcabong


So is Winnipeg in a rebuild(I guess it would be more of a build)? Do they see themselves 2 pieces away from being a contender?

As a Montreal fan. I think we are 1 scoring winger away from being a "contender" or at lease a threat to be one. I thought last year the Vanek trade was the missing piece, but he didn't turn out that great in the playoffs.

That being said, I don't see Montreal giving away a current piece, ie Gallagher.

So everything depends on what Winnipeg is doing. What they need. If they need a top 6 forward back, then they are not trading with Montreal. If they need to rebuild, then I would see them going for a 1st and a prospect.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 29 @ 9:29 AM ET
Nice write up, PT.
I am gonna repeat here what I said to some naive fan who was sending three rostered Blackhawks for Evander Kane:

I have yet to see Kane play a 60 minute game, or even handle his responsibilities an entire night.

It is very nice to look at stats and salaries, but to think Kane walks in to a new team, and suddenly see all these poven leaders and falls in step.

Furthermore, while he has all these skills and qualities that make him potentially an emerging power wing, he still doesn't have a 200 foot game or the NHL IQ to know where to go, when to pass...the new team is basically in the same trap Atlanta/Winnipeg put themself in by NOT bridge contracting him but instead paying top dollar for on the job training, after the 30 goals season.

The tricky thing nowadays, with the Cap is even the teams starved for "potential stars" can't take on deals like Kanes...they upset the pecking order. (You can't justify your soon to be RFA upstarts who feel they PLAY better to take less, or your vets.)


Believe me, there are things I like about him, and maybe eventually he does get traded to a team willing to pay for potential not results.

Kris fracking Versteeg had more assists last season!

Evander is more Cap hit than Ryan Kesler and half the player (right now...not talking about projecting a best case scenario where he transforms to team leader / heart on his sleeve for team in the not too distant future.)

Tell me this is a potentially dominant power play- he already paid for being one, who was seventh in the Jets forward scoring and one of the few minus players (besides Buff) in their top six.

Frolik looks better on paper for cripsake.

And granted, Frolik has a lower high water mark, but at least he brings the lunchpail to work everyday.

If Evander was, wouldn't he be a potential scoring threat who also knew how to use his linemates?

That's why Chevy has to hope for growth, and a lot better offers.
He eventually may find some team who gives him a low pick, and maybe the Jets take on some Cap, and they get a servicable player or two for now.

I know that sounds harsh; as fans we buy into are hyped prospects, and get really excited when they give us the "tastes" that they truly are gonna be deadly, dominant game breakers...we personally feel cheated when guys like Chevy HAVE to disappoint us with what we all think is less than fair trade value for the underwhelming youngsters.

I feel Jet fan pain-been there.
webleedblue
New York Rangers
Joined: 05.22.2013

Jul 29 @ 9:30 AM ET
can kane play center? has he for any real length of time during his nhl career?
- hugefemale dog77

if he can play center i would offer up a lot and the rangers should seriously be interested
elcabong
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm not sure... I lost my GPS, QC
Joined: 07.02.2010

Jul 29 @ 9:37 AM ET
Nice write up, PT.
I am gonna repeat here what I said to some naive fan who was sending three rostered Blackhawks for Evander Kane:

I have yet to see Kane play a 60 minute game, or even handle his responsibilities an entire night.

It is very nice to look at stats and salaries, but to think Kane walks in to a new team, and suddenly see all these poven leaders and falls in step.

Furthermore, while he has all these skills and qualities that make him potentially an emerging power wing, he still doesn't have a 200 foot game or the NHL IQ to know where to go, when to pass...the new team is basically in the same trap Atlanta/Winnipeg put themself in by NOT bridge contracting him but instead paying top dollar for on the job training, after the 30 goals season.

The tricky thing nowadays, with the Cap is even the teams starved for "potential stars" can't take on deals like Kanes...they upset the pecking order. (You can't justify your soon to be RFA upstarts who feel they PLAY better to take less, or your vets.)


Believe me, there are things I like about him, and maybe eventually he does get traded to a team willing to pay for potential not results.

Kris fracking Versteeg had more assists last season!

Evander is more Cap hit than Ryan Kesler and half the player (right now...not talking about projecting a best case scenario where he transforms to team leader / heart on his sleeve for team in the not too distant future.)

Tell me this is a potentially dominant power play- he already paid for being one, who was seventh in the Jets forward scoring and one of the few minus players (besides Buff) in their top six.

Frolik looks better on paper for cripsake.

And granted, Frolik has a lower high water mark, but at least he brings the lunchpail to work everyday.

If Evander was, wouldn't he be a potential scoring threat who also knew how to use his linemates?

That's why Chevy has to hope for growth, and a lot better offers.
He eventually may find some team who gives him a low pick, and maybe the Jets take on some Cap, and they get a servicable player or two for now.

I know that sounds harsh; as fans we buy into are hyped prospects, and get really excited when they give us the "tastes" that they truly are gonna be deadly, dominant game breakers...we personally feel cheated when guys like Chevy HAVE to disappoint us with what we all think is less than fair trade value.

I feel Jet fan pain-been there.

- wiz1901


Very well said. Like I mentionned earlier, I hope they're not asking for Gallagher, because it won't get done.
yemrots
Location: Leafs need a backup goalie more than a stud defenceman this year
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 29 @ 9:37 AM ET
if he can play center i would offer up a lot and the rangers should seriously be interested
- webleedblue

Centers should be able to distribute the puck. Something Kane either can't or refuses to do.
l3ig_l2ecl
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Unfortunately, QC
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jul 29 @ 9:48 AM ET
Centers should be able to distribute the puck. Something Kane either can't or refuses to do.
- yemrots


That's why Kane and Eller need to be on the same line.....
soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Jul 29 @ 10:00 AM ET
That's why Kane and Eller need to be on the same line.....
- l3ig_l2ecl




Eller was passing the puck very well while playing on the EGG line.

I wouldn't pass to puck to Prust either.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 29 @ 10:02 AM ET
The title is misleading. Trading Kane is extremely easy. Getting another team to offer up what you consider a reasonable (or better) return is not so easy.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jul 29 @ 10:31 AM ET
Evander Kane is a 55 point winger right now when healthy.
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