youre something else
- Lee Denault

What's the point here? He said i said something and then posted 2 posts that don't show that I said what he said i said.

such a poop talker
- Lee Denault

Says the guy coming in here talking poop with nothing backing it up.


How's it goin lee?

What's the point here? He said i said something and then posted 2 posts that don't show that I said what he said i said.
- burn

Say what?

Say what?
- systemtool

Exactly.

I really liked the blog, gave me a an easy understanding of the fancy stats, also I like the comparisons you did..I actually liked reading a blog on here for once

good job

Colin Dambrauskas: Maple Leafs; From Miley Cirus to Iggy Azalea - Fancy Stats
- Colin_Dambrauskas

Dat ass.

According to advanced stats on sites like behindthenet and extraskater, stralman is as good as doughty. So basically, the advanced stats available to us are inaccurate, unreliable, and overhyped.A lot of nhl teams now have an assistant coach on payroll that sits in the skybox and takes his own shot/hit/chance/possession stats rather than using the publicly available box score stats for a reason.

Can someone explain to me why it's possible to track actual possession as in how long a team/player has possession of the ball, but it's not (yet) possible to track the length of time players/teams have actual possession of the puck?

PS - when the (frank) did Colin start blogging?

According to advanced stats on sites like behindthenet and extraskater, stralman is as good as doughty. So basically, the advanced stats available to us are inaccurate, unreliable, and overhyped.A lot of nhl teams now have an assistant coach on payroll that sits in the skybox and takes his own shot/hit/chance/possession stats rather than using the publicly available box score stats for a reason.
- rangerdanger94

WRONG

WRONG
- Nucker101

It's true. Also said that stralman had better playoff then mcdonagh.

WRONG
- Nucker101

https://twitter.com/ToddC...status/492115635594199040

https://twitter.com/ToddCordell/status/492115635594199040
- rangerdanger94

Classic example of misusing the stats. You have to use the stats from "close game" situations(within 1 goal), then adjust for zone starts as well. There are sites that do that for you out there. Plus they show quality of competition.

Doughty>>Stralman

Classic example of misusing the stats. You have to use the stats from "close game" situations(within 1 goal), then adjust for zone starts as well. There are sites that do that for you out there. Plus they show quality of competition.

Doughty>>Stralman
- Nucker101

Those stats show that stralman is => doughty.

Those stats show that stralman is => doughty.
- burn

As I just stated above, that's a common misuse of advanced stats. Here's your actual stats:

Doughty: +20.9% possession player over the last 2 seasons in "close" situations, toughest minutes played on team among regular d-men.

Stralman: +15.3% possession player over the last 2 seasons in "close" situations, easiest minutes played on team among regular d-men.


Colin made the same mistake in this blog.

As I just stated above, that's a common misuse of advanced stats. Here's your actual stats:

Doughty: +20.9% possession player over the last 2 seasons in "close" situations, toughest minutes played on team among regular d-men.

Stralman: +15.3% possession player over the last 2 seasons in "close" situations, easiest minutes played on team among regular d-men.


Colin made the same mistake in this blog.
- Nucker101

Where are you getting those number. Doughty is well over 50%.


I get that quality of comp and such. That's not what he was talking about. I saw people saying that stralman was better in these playoffs than mcdonagh. That is utterly laughable.


Why do you think stralman got so massively overpaid? They saw his corsi and see a player that doesn't exist. He's not worth close to what he's going to make. Not even close. He's not a pts producer and it very good defensively.

Where are you getting those number. Doughty is well over 50%.


I get that quality of comp and such. That's not what he was talking about. I saw people saying that stralman was better in these playoffs than mcdonagh. That is utterly laughable.


Why do you think stralman got so massively overpaid? They saw his corsi and see a player that doesn't exist. He's not worth close to what he's going to make. Not even close. He's not a pts producer and it very good defensively.
- burn

Those numbers are based on 100% being even...I don't buy into playoff sample sized, it's not enough games.


And those numbers are right here:

http://stats.hockeyanalys...i&sort=HARTp&sortdir=DESC

And before you mentioned Muzzin's name....

Muzzin plays mostly with Doughty, this is where common sense should come into play and you assume Muzzin benefits from playing with Doughty despite any other advanced stats. These numbers show that Douhgty is elite.

He also played tougher competition than Muzzin.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=HARTQOC&sortdir=DESC


As for Stralman:

http://stats.hockeyanalys...1&sort=HARTp&sortdir=DESC

That's impressive, before you see this and become a bit more sceptical:

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=HARTQOC&sortdir=DESC


So how again do the stats show that Stralman is better?

Those numbers are based on 100% being even...I don't buy into playoff sample sized, it's not enough games.


And those numbers are right here:

http://stats.hockeyanalys...i&sort=HARTp&sortdir=DESC

And before you mentioned Muzzin's name....

Muzzin plays mostly with Doughty, this is where common sense should come into play and you assume Muzzin benefits from playing with Doughty despite any other advanced stats. These numbers show that Douhgty is elite.

He also played tougher competition than Muzzin.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=HARTQOC&sortdir=DESC


As for Stralman:

http://stats.hockeyanalys...1&sort=HARTp&sortdir=DESC

That's impressive, before you see this and become a bit more sceptical:

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=HARTQOC&sortdir=DESC


So how again do the stats show that Stralman is better?
- Nucker101

I said people used to to say that stralman was better than mcdonagh. What you posted shows just that. Those people that said that didn't take into quality of comp, only saying that stralmans corsi shows that he was the better dman in the playoffs for the rags. It's absurd.

And didn't the other poster post a link show how close it was between stralman and doughty earlier?

Those numbers are based on 100% being even...I don't buy into playoff sample sized, it's not enough games.


And those numbers are right here:

http://stats.hockeyanalys...i&sort=HARTp&sortdir=DESC

And before you mentioned Muzzin's name....

Muzzin plays mostly with Doughty, this is where common sense should come into play and you assume Muzzin benefits from playing with Doughty despite any other advanced stats. These numbers show that Douhgty is elite.

He also played tougher competition than Muzzin.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=HARTQOC&sortdir=DESC


As for Stralman:

http://stats.hockeyanalys...1&sort=HARTp&sortdir=DESC

That's impressive, before you see this and become a bit more sceptical:

http://stats.hockeyanalys...sort=HARTQOC&sortdir=DESC


So how again do the stats show that Stralman is better?
- Nucker101

Could you explain how to read the qoc and qot info? Like what does it mean? And is there "close" info out there that lets you compare a players effect on another?

I don't think that just posting those numbers side by side is a true comparison. I believe there is a way to quantify their corsi/fenwick against their team as a whole to show their contribution to the team. Gunner played higher in the lineup against much tougher competition on a historically bad corsi team and polak played lower on a very good corsi team.


I'm sure without a doubt that gunner will play higher in the the blues lineup than polak did, and will have better corsi numbers than polak.
- burn

I agree with your apprehension of corsi/fenwick for all the reasons you mentioned.

However there has to be something to it seeing as we lose 3 of our best corsi/fenwick players (MacArthur, Grabbo & Komarov) and our poop goes to pot.

Giving up 10 shots more then you get a night doesn't help either.
The corsi/fenwick thing nags to me that it's a teams thing not a player thing....but maybe it's more bringing-these-type-of-players-into-a-team thing?

Then there's the "gut" thing - and I'm with you I'll bet Gunner has much better corsi/fenwick with the Blues.

I agree with your apprehension of corsi/fenwick for all the reasons you mentioned.

However there has to be something to it seeing as we lose 3 of our best corsi/fenwick players (MacArthur, Grabbo & Komarov) and our poop goes to pot.

Giving up 10 shots more then you get a night doesn't help either.
The corsi/fenwick thing nags to me that it's a teams thing not a player thing....but maybe it's more bringing-these-type-of-players-into-a-team thing?

Then there's the "gut" thing - and I'm with you I'll bet Gunner has much better corsi/fenwick with the Blues.
- Smileypants17

It's. Team thing. The way this team plays( the system) is not conclusive to good corsi numbers(hopefully that's in the process of changing with new assistants). Just because one has good corsi numbers on one team doesn't mean that that player is better. Hell just because he has better corsi on the same team doesn't meant it. You need to look at the role they are playing, how they are being used, where they start/finish each shift. Gunner corsi wasn't as good as polaks but he also played more tougher mins and his corsi relative to gphis teams overall corsi was better. Polaks better corsi doesn't mean he's a better player.

Can someone explain to me why it's possible to track actual possession as in how long a team/player has possession of the ball, but it's not (yet) possible to track the length of time players/teams have actual possession of the puck?

PS - when the (frank) did Colin start blogging?
- 1979AD

Still pretty new to the NHL...they're adapting/figuring it out.




And...if you're serious....over 2 years ago?