James Tanner: Joe Thornton Available? Coyotes Gotta Make That Move Joe Thornton?

James Tanner: Joe Thornton Available? Coyotes Gotta Make That Move
Joe Thornton?
(Note: they are not moving, but rather becoming the Arizona Coyotes.)

- James_Tanner

NOt yet maybe! read an article recently that the city may want to renegotiate their deal as they didn't get nearly enough in the first year of the contract. I think that'd be playing with fire for the city... they could move them... really easy.

As for Joe... as he has a NMC and there is some uncertainty in PHX until the 5 year mark of their current deal... I doubt he waives to become a Yote.

NOt yet maybe! read an article recently that the city may want to renegotiate their deal as they didn't get nearly enough in the first year of the contract. I think that'd be playing with fire for the city... they could move them... really easy.

As for Joe... as he has a NMC and there is some uncertainty in PHX until the 5 year mark of their current deal... I doubt he waives to become a Yote.
- mlindsay

Or to look at it another way, he lives in San Jose and a move to Arizona allows him to keep his place and not move too far. Stay on the west coast etc.

As for the article you mentioned, I don't think it's anything to worry about. Those guys didn't get the $ b/c the arena didn't get enough non-hockey events, so I highly doubt anyone will be blaming the hockey team.

I would say as far as I know, the Coyotes are in Arizona forever.

DW will not trade Thornton with anybody in the West. IF, and that's still a big "IF" he does move him, it seems like Detroit and Toronto may be locations. Not sure trading with Detroit would bring over the young guys DW wants on the roster now. Toronto on the other hand.......................

DW will not trade Thornton with anybody in the West. IF, and that's still a big "IF" he does move him, it seems like Detroit and Toronto may be locations. Not sure trading with Detroit would bring over the young guys DW wants on the roster now. Toronto on the other hand.......................
- Bobbo

Yes, I'd love Joe on the team but I doubt a trade to a division rival will ever happen.

DW will not trade Thornton with anybody in the West. IF, and that's still a big "IF" he does move him, it seems like Detroit and Toronto may be locations. Not sure trading with Detroit would bring over the young guys DW wants on the roster now. Toronto on the other hand.......................
- Bobbo

Detroit has a bad habit lately of signing older players whom aren't needed (Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Commodore). Thornton would fit that mold with being older but with Detroit already having Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson at center (not too mention Zetterberg and Franzen both being natural, and rather good, centers) we definitely don't need another center. Detroit's looking for a scoring winger for the top six.

What are Coyotes fans' opinions on Connor Murphy? I imagine he could be a part of a trade to the Sharks. Honestly, I wouldn't be at all opposed to shipping Joe off to Phoenix as I think you guys have the pieces to make a good trade with us. Maybe something like Yandle and a 1st for Jumbo Joe.

DW will not trade Thornton with anybody in the West. IF, and that's still a big "IF" he does move him, it seems like Detroit and Toronto may be locations. Not sure trading with Detroit would bring over the young guys DW wants on the roster now. Toronto on the other hand.......................
- Bobbo

I don't think that's necessarily the case. On paper at least, it seems St. Louis would be an ideal landing spot for Joe. If they made the right offer, and if DW is serious about trading Joe, I think he's gone.

Why is Thorton a first ballot HOF ?

Why is Thorton a first ballot HOF ?
- VANTEL

90 points in 73 games in the swiss league.

Joe seems to be a great fit on the Yotes IMO, at least for the right price that is.

Why is Thorton a first ballot HOF ?
- VANTEL

I don't know about first ballot.... Maybe but 1194 points in 1207 career games plus 100 points in 132 career playoff games are as good if not better than players in his generation.

Why is Thorton a first ballot HOF ?
- VANTEL

John torterella begs to differ.... Joe's a guy who's never won anything he could go down as one of the biggest busts of his generation lmaok

What are Coyotes fans' opinions on Connor Murphy? I imagine he could be a part of a trade to the Sharks. Honestly, I wouldn't be at all opposed to shipping Joe off to Phoenix as I think you guys have the pieces to make a good trade with us. Maybe something like Yandle and a 1st for Jumbo Joe.
- sjsharks92

That's a bit steep, 2 young guys for old Joe. Throw in Hertl and Torres

Or to look at it another way, he lives in San Jose and a move to Arizona allows him to keep his place and not move too far. Stay on the west coast etc.

As for the article you mentioned, I don't think it's anything to worry about. Those guys didn't get the $ b/c the arena didn't get enough non-hockey events, so I highly doubt anyone will be blaming the hockey team.

I would say as far as I know, the Coyotes are in Arizona forever.
- James_Tanner

I would think SJ to PHX would likely require a new place to hang his hat. His old place may e for summers but thats it.
I think where the uncertainty, especially for a guy with maybe 5 more years, is with the teams 'out-clause' after five years if they are not profitable. Accountants can sway the books either way im sure... and if there is an opportunity as an owner to move to a more profitable locale you can bet they will have lost money.

That's a bit steep, 2 young guys for old Joe. Throw in Hertl and Torres
- Desert_Dog

#1 Center's don't come cheap in this league. Jumbo Joe may be 34, but signed to a reasonable cap hit for 3 more years, and you'd be getting a great 1C which is a glaring need for the Yotes. But what do I know

#1 Center's don't come cheap in this league. Jumbo Joe may be 34, but signed to a reasonable cap hit for 3 more years, and you'd be getting a great 1C which is a glaring need for the Yotes. But what do I know
- sjsharks92

Yes but who knows how many miles are left in Joe's tank. Yandle for Joe even up, Hertl and Torres for #1 pick, reason being, while Hertl had a helluva rookie year, the jury is still out. Raffi is one suspension away from a lifetime ban anyways.

Yes but who knows how many miles are left in Joe's tank. Yandle for Joe even up, Hertl and Torres for #1 pick, reason being, while Hertl had a helluva rookie year, the jury is still out. Raffi is one suspension away from a lifetime ban anyways.
- Desert_Dog

I think the Yandle proposal is too much. Yandle is a 27 year old offensive defenseman in his prime and I think if you are going to move him, which I don't think they should, you could make a package to get a younger top line player.

A package for Thornton - and I have no idea what SJ would realistically want - would you think include someone like Murphy or Gormley, Samuelson and a pick.

The guy is 34 and paid 7 million per year, so while I doubt they'd give him away, I can't see Yandle being necessary to the package.

As for why Joe is a first ballot hall of famer, 1) He played in a relatively low scoring era and has averaged .99 pts per game. If you throw out his first two years, he's way, way over a PPG. 2) He is 46th on the all time scoring list, and if he has 3-4 more good years, it's not impossible he will end up top ten. For sure in the top 15 by the time he is done.

If that isn't good enough, he has three 100 point seasons, was the first overall pick, has a Hart Trophy, An Art Ross Trophy, an Olympic Gold, a World Cup, a World Junior Championship, and he is probably, after Crosby and Ovechkin, the premier offensive player of his generation.

So what if he never won the Cup? He might yet, but not winning a championship is a ridiculous thing to hold against a player in a team sport.

Or to look at it another way, he lives in San Jose and a move to Arizona allows him to keep his place and not move too far. Stay on the west coast etc.

As for the article you mentioned, I don't think it's anything to worry about. Those guys didn't get the $ b/c the arena didn't get enough non-hockey events, so I highly doubt anyone will be blaming the hockey team.

I would say as far as I know, the Coyotes are in Arizona forever.
- James_Tanner

He would still have to find somewhere to live in Phoenix and be a plane ride from San Jose. If he has to move, he probably wants to go somewhere with the best chance of winning a Cup. There are plenty of cities where he would be a plane ride away from SJ, where he would have a better chance of winning a Cup. Nothing against Arizona, but him waiving his NMC to come to Phoenix seems like a pipe dream. With his NMC, he can basically give SJ a list of the teams he thinks have the best shot at a Cup in the next couple years, and they can send him to the one that offers the best deal, or keep him.

I think the Yandle proposal is too much. Yandle is a 27 year old offensive defenseman in his prime and I think if you are going to move him, which I don't think they should, you could make a package to get a younger top line player.

A package for Thornton - and I have no idea what SJ would realistically want - would you think include someone like Murphy or Gormley, Samuelson and a pick.

The guy is 34 and paid 7 million per year, so while I doubt they'd give him away, I can't see Yandle being necessary to the package.

As for why Joe is a first ballot hall of famer, 1) He played in a relatively low scoring era and has averaged .99 pts per game. If you throw out his first two years, he's way, way over a PPG. 2) He is 46th on the all time scoring list, and if he has 3-4 more good years, it's not impossible he will end up top ten. For sure in the top 15 by the time he is done.

If that isn't good enough, he has three 100 point seasons, was the first overall pick, has a Hart Trophy, An Art Ross Trophy, an Olympic Gold, a World Cup, a World Junior Championship, and he is probably, after Crosby and Ovechkin, the premier offensive player of his generation.

So what if he never won the Cup? He might yet, but not winning a championship is a ridiculous thing to hold against a player in a team sport.
- James_Tanner

The Sharks are in need of a LD, so Yandle fits the bill perfectly, especially with Boyle now gone, he could be our PP specialist as well.

While Murphy, Gormley, etc. are all excellent trade pieces and good prospects, the Sharks are looking to get younger while also remaining competitive. With that said, IF they trade Jumbo Joe or Patty, it will have to be for a package that includes an NHL-level player. Yandle + for Joe is what it would take from the Yotes. Maybe not a 1st round pick, but certainly another good piece in addition to Yandle.

Just my opinion though. Perhaps I'm overvaluing Joe, but considering he's locked up for 3 more years at a very reasonable cap hit (far less than he'd go for on the open market), I think he is a very valuable piece.

He would still have to find somewhere to live in Phoenix and be a plane ride from San Jose. If he has to move, he probably wants to go somewhere with the best chance of winning a Cup. There are plenty of cities where he would be a plane ride away from SJ, where he would have a better chance of winning a Cup. Nothing against Arizona, but him waiving his NMC to come to Phoenix seems like a pipe dream. With his NMC, he can basically give SJ a list of the teams he thinks have the best shot at a Cup in the next couple years, and they can send him to the one that offers the best deal, or keep him.
- Antilles

Well, nobody knows the exact situation with his or Marleau's NMC. There's a good chance their NMC's were offset by the fact that the team was eliminated in round 1. Often times NMC's are attached with certain expectations or goals in order for them to be set in place.

But I do agree, that I can't see Joe being shipped off to Phoenix, based around the fact that I don't believe we'd want to send him to a division rival. I still believe that if he's traded St. Louis, Philadelphia, or Toronto are the most likely destinations. With Detroit having an outside chance as well if they're interested.

Detroit has a bad habit lately of signing older players whom aren't needed (Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Commodore). Thornton would fit that mold with being older but with Detroit already having Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson at center (not too mention Zetterberg and Franzen both being natural, and rather good, centers) we definitely don't need another center. Detroit's looking for a scoring winger for the top six.
- YzermanIsTheMan

Holland should be looking for a right handed top 4 defenseman that can play the PP before anything else.

Holland should be looking for a right handed top 4 defenseman that can play the PP before anything else.
- dcz28

Sounds like you may want to sign Dan Boyle then.

News flash James. They ain't gonna trade him within the division. Also, it won't be as cheap to acquire him as you think... Too line Centers who consistently produce don't grow on trees.

News flash James. They ain't gonna trade him within the division. Also, it won't be as cheap to acquire him as you think... Too line Centers who consistently produce don't grow on trees.
- BodyCheckRadio

If Thornton and/or Spezza is traded, I suspect they will bring quite a haul to their respective teams. I think the Sharks are building in a different direction than the Sens right now and would look for a more NHL-ready player. While the Sens could get 2-3 good young pieces from Spezza.