they would still be a lot better with another defenseman, it would take a load off Mason, where he doesn't feel he has to win as many games on his own.
- puckhead17

Thats why i female doged so much about them signing lecav and streit to those contracts. It be great if they had the capspace if an opportunity to get one comes up. I dont think Streit and lecavalier have been that much of a difference.

Just me, but wasn't really impressed with Laughton for this tournament.

He was put into a defensive role but seemed to lack intensity more than anything. Which is what I most noticed with him during the brief stint with the Flyers.

Now before pitchforks come out, he could still be a solid player, but even as Captain of that team. I expected more.

Leier was invisible though. Nothing good to say there. Maybe ob or Bill will know, I have not seen too much of Sweden. How has Hagg looked?
- flyer_nutter

Hagg's been a key piece on their shut down pair.

Laughton & Leier were hamstrung by an awful coaching job by Sutter, not the only reason they struggled, but a lot of the Canadian team had issues. Sutter seemed to be jamming too much into them for a short tourney.

They absolutely could use more mobility on the back end. Streit's finally starting to come around. He seems to have adjusted to the team and system and has played better at both ends.
- Jsaquella

I hate to admit this one, but yeah, he's doing what he gets paid to do, he still gets caught in O zone a little on back rushes, but at least he's doing what he was brought here to do.

Thats why i female doged so much about them signing lecav and streit to those contracts. It be great if they had the capspace if an opportunity to get one comes up. I dont think Streit and lecavalier have been that much of a difference.
- JoeRussomanno

I know, I don't like either one of them for the term they received, they are having stretches of decent play here & there, & Streit is having one now.

I would love just to have another Coburn type at the least, that would make them that much better.

Thats why i female doged so much about them signing lecav and streit to those contracts. It be great if they had the capspace if an opportunity to get one comes up. I dont think Streit and lecavalier have been that much of a difference.
- JoeRussomanno

There's not really any especially good ones coming up in free agency. Markov, who is older than Streit. Girardi, who is a solid player, but not really a top pair guy, is going to get a pooppot full of money. Dan Boyle, who at age 37 will get a deal bigger than Timonen's $6mm going away present.

If they're going to get a valid, long term answer on defense, it will be via trade.

Sucks we have to wait until tues for another game! It will also be interesting to see what they do with the line combos if they get read or raffl back. I thought Downie did a good job on the top line with his mixture of speed and board play. I personally want to see them put Vinny on the first line next game and see if there is any chemistry. I remember at the start of the year he said he only liked playing RW but I'd tell him to suck it up.

Voracek- Giroux - Lecavalier
Simmer - Schenn - Hartnell
Read - Couts - Downie
Raffl - Hall - Rinaldo

I hate to admit this one, but yeah, he's doing what he gets paid to do, he still gets caught in O zone a little on back rushes, but at least he's doing what he was brought here to do.
- puckhead17

He was between average and terrible, but he's really played better since the middle of December. He's not Rod Langway in his own end, but he's been avoiding glaring mistakes, and his play with the puck has been much better.

There's not really any especially good ones coming up in free agency. Markov, who is older than Streit. Girardi, who is a solid player, but not really a top pair guy, is going to get a pooppot full of money. Dan Boyle, who at age 37 will get a deal bigger than Timonen's $6mm going away present.

If they're going to get a valid, long term answer on defense, it will be via trade.
- Jsaquella

The only one I disagree on is Girardi, he plays a ton of minutes & would fit in on our top 4 nicely!

Hagg's been a key piece on their shut down pair.

Laughton & Leier were hamstrung by an awful coaching job by Sutter, not the only reason they struggled, but a lot of the Canadian team had issues. Sutter seemed to be jamming too much into them for a short tourney.
- Jsaquella

Sutter is a dinosaur and that selection committee is a joke. Hockey is becoming an elitist game, but I wont start a ran haha.

Its my one knock on Laughton I have seen so far to be honest. I know others may not agree, but from what I saw in that stint with the Flyers and in this tournament, he seems to lack intensity. We will see.

Good to hear about Hagg.

He was between average and terrible, but he's really played better since the middle of December. He's not Rod Langway in his own end, but he's been avoiding glaring mistakes, and his play with the puck has been much better.
- Jsaquella

he's also competing along the wall some, I know that isn't saying much, but he doesn't seem t be shying away from getting his nose dirty, I thought that was something he wasn't doing before either.

The only one I disagree on is Girardi, he plays a ton of minutes & would fit in on our top 4 nicely!
- puckhead17

Yeah, he'd fit in top 4...but they need a number one. Girardi isn't a number one.

The only one I disagree on is Girardi, he plays a ton of minutes & would fit in on our top 4 nicely!
- puckhead17

Rumor has it Schultz is looking for around 4.5/season.

I was in favour of a guy like Gardiner but really am hesitant now. I think at times a player's trade value gets impacted too much by media coverage. In Anaheim Gardiner was just an average prospect and now because of the big city lights he is the next big thing. Toronto media has a really big habit of creating excessive hype for their players.

Would say Kadri, have the same exposure in somewhere like Nashville? The Leafs may be good trade candidates but I have concerns there.

Yeah, he'd fit in top 4...but they need a number one. Girardi isn't a number one.
- Jsaquella

no he's not, & yes they do need one, no question, but, good luck with that

It would cost way too much, I think a piece or 2 of better 2 way guys, would make us that much better without stripping our forward depth.

Sutter is a dinosaur and that selection committee is a joke. Hockey is becoming an elitist game, but I wont start a ran haha.

Its my one knock on Laughton I have seen so far to be honest. I know others may not agree, but from what I saw in that stint with the Flyers and in this tournament, he seems to lack intensity. We will see.

Good to hear about Hagg.
- flyer_nutter

Actually, one of Laughton's biggest assets is his intensity. He's known as a firey guy and hard worker.

The team selection was questionable and you can't jam a complex system into a tourney team the way Sutter tried.

Rumor has it Schultz is looking for around 4.5/season.

I was in favour of a guy like Gardiner but really am hesitant now. I think at times a player's trade value gets impacted too much by media coverage. In Anaheim Gardiner was just an average prospect and now because of the big city lights he is the next big thing. Toronto media has a really big habit of creating excessive hype for their players.

Would say Kadri, have the same exposure in somewhere like Nashville? The Leafs may be good trade candidates but I have concerns there.
- flyer_nutter

I was miffed we weren't mentioned in the trade talk for him, but we would be much better off with a guy past the development stage, more established, imagine him coming here & making mistakes, he'd get eaten alive by the media again, we don't need to give up another asset for a young defenseman who can have confidence & development issues.

I agree with you on the Nashville thing in regards to the less exposure

There's not really any especially good ones coming up in free agency. Markov, who is older than Streit. Girardi, who is a solid player, but not really a top pair guy, is going to get a pooppot full of money. Dan Boyle, who at age 37 will get a deal bigger than Timonen's $6mm going away present.

If they're going to get a valid, long term answer on defense, it will be via trade.
- Jsaquella

I understand that they will most likely have to obtain one via trade, however having ample cap room males it easier to accomplish this while allowing them to retain some leverage in negotiation.

There's not really any especially good ones coming up in free agency. Markov, who is older than Streit. Girardi, who is a solid player, but not really a top pair guy, is going to get a pooppot full of money. Dan Boyle, who at age 37 will get a deal bigger than Timonen's $6mm going away present.

If they're going to get a valid, long term answer on defense, it will be via trade.
- Jsaquella

Markov is one year younger than Streit and is playing 25 minutes a night.

Markov is one year younger than Streit and is playing 25 minutes a night.
- Feanor

The problem with that is Homer will offer him 5 years until he's 40, no more of this!

Even with my concerns of how "media hype" impacts a player's value I do think the best teams to trade with will be the one's who are desperate.

In particular Vancouver if they falter again in the playoffs, or miss all together may be looking to move Edler who has had somewhat of a down season.

Toronto could be another one of these teams along with Edmonton. The Oil do not have the d-men to help out the Flyers but I cannot imagine them being willing to stay sitting, and not looking for immediate help.

The first move in Winnipeg will be to fire Noel, but the pressure is heating up. I am not really a fan of Bogosian, Enstrom or Buff, but 1 of the three may be available with Trouba and Morrissey in the fold.

There probably will be options, but none of which are really all too appealing. I'd love a guy like Yandle or Giordano (new captain), but question the price, and whether they would be moved in the first place.

The problem with that is Homer will offer him 5 years until he's 40, no more of this!

- puckhead17

If people have knocks against the idea of Gaborik in Philly on a wing with Giroux because of his health.

Markov would give them a stroke. Guy is made of glass.

If people have knocks against the idea of Gaborik in Philly on a wing with Giroux because of his health.

Markov would give them a stroke. Guy is made of glass.
- flyer_nutter

As appealing as it would be to have a sniper on his wing, I would pass on Gaborik, or the $$$ he would command, you never know what your getting.
And on your previous post, if Bogosian were available, I'd jump on that possibility, I don't think they would move him though, but yeah, I'm surprised we haven't seem any movement yet, maybe teams will start doing this, (desperation deals), now that we're in January

As appealing as it would be to have a sniper on his wing, I would pass on Gaborik, or the $$$ he would command, you never know what your getting.
And on your previous post, if Bogosian were available, I'd jump on that possibility, I don't think they would move him though
- puckhead17

Bogosian worries me. He has been given every opportunity to take that next step so to speak.

Falters every time, and there are injury concerns there also. He isn't a bad d-man, but I don't see him really as more of a 2nd pairing guy. He is in a similar situation as Luke Schenn, a guy who is relatively young (Bogosian is 23), but has played in the NHL for 5 seasons I believe.

Bogosian actually really reminds of a guy like Derek Morris.

What a western swing!!!!
- Just5

it's funny the west is supposed to be much better than the east but the flyers are keeping up with them

If people have knocks against the idea of Gaborik in Philly on a wing with Giroux because of his health.

Markov would give them a stroke. Guy is made of glass.
- flyer_nutter

yea i'd want neither but if home can't resist no more than 1-2 years

Bogosian worries me. He has been given every opportunity to take that next step so to speak.

Falters every time, and there are injury concerns there also. He isn't a bad d-man, but I don't see him really as more of a 2nd pairing guy. He is in a similar situation as Luke Schenn, a guy who is relatively young (Bogosian is 23), but has played in the NHL for 5 seasons I believe.

Bogosian actually really reminds of a guy like Derek Morris.
- flyer_nutter

Good analogy, and Morris struggled at a young age, in Calgary I think?
I still would roll the dice on him, despite his struggles, as Luke has been playing very well on this road trip, when a guy has the tools, along with youth it's still a good combination & a good coach can bring that out in him.