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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 3 @ 11:06 AM ET
Ian Esplen: Lundquist?
Lundquist?

- IanEsplen


As a Flyer fan this would make me very happy!
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Sep 3 @ 11:10 AM ET
As a Flyer fan this would make me very happy!
- BiggE

Why? so the Flyers could sign Lu.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 3 @ 11:15 AM ET
The big three are gone now. Ian is the king of the hill.
- VANTEL



He is the true voice of your fan base -- along with Scooby/Dshiddy
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 3 @ 11:26 AM ET
He is the true voice of your fan base -- along with Scooby/Dshiddy
- Canada Cup

keatondixon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: My comments express my views and Eklund's views ...everything I say Eklund agrees with 100%
Joined: 12.11.2008

Sep 3 @ 11:31 AM ET
Lundqvist makes no sense at all....most of the roster is on the downswing of there careers and the Sedins won't be resigning after this year anyway ...it's time for a rebuild in Vancouver
nigelwright275
Calgary Flames
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 3 @ 11:37 AM ET
Have not read the posts but this thread by Ian has some major flaws.

1st if Luongo is bad enough that he has to be bought out, then more than likely Vancouver will have not made the playoffs. If so there might not be the Sedins in Vancouver anymore. To me if they miss they will go in rebuild mode. No way that Lundqvist signs on a rebuilding team.

Henrik has said that making playoffs is not good enough, he wants a team that is a legit threat for the Stanley Cup. If it comes down to an aging team just trying to get in the playoffs, or a team that will be in the playoffs for years to come, he will pick NY.

If Luongo plays well they will not buy him out. Its been noted many times that the Canucks owners did not want to write that cheque, hence why Schneider was traded instead.

Also "stable of young talent"? The canucks have one of the worst prospect pools in the NHL.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 3 @ 11:38 AM ET
Lundqvist makes no sense at all....most of the roster is on the downswing of there careers and the Sedins won't be resigning after this year anyway ...it's time for a rebuild in Vancouver
- keatondixon

Re-tool you mean

We can do it on the fly if the Sedins are re-signed and they trade a guy like Kesler, providing he has a good year this year.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 3 @ 11:43 AM ET
Might as well bring in Gaborik, Phaneuf, and Kessel as well. Just as likely.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 3 @ 11:57 AM ET
Have not read the posts but this thread by Ian has some major flaws.

1st if Luongo is bad enough that he has to be bought out, then more than likely Vancouver will have not made the playoffs. If so there might not be the Sedins in Vancouver anymore. To me if they miss they will go in rebuild mode. No way that Lundqvist signs on a rebuilding team.

Henrik has said that making playoffs is not good enough, he wants a team that is a legit threat for the Stanley Cup. If it comes down to an aging team just trying to get in the playoffs, or a team that will be in the playoffs for years to come, he will pick NY.

If Luongo plays well they will not buy him out. Its been noted many times that the Canucks owners did not want to write that cheque, hence why Schneider was traded instead.

Also "stable of young talent"? The canucks have one of the worst prospect pools in the NHL.

- nigelwright275


Your post has some major flaws.

Luongo asked for a trade. They couldn't find a trade partner. The GM asked ownership to buy him out, they said no. That could very easily be because they wanted one more year to try and trade him and not shell out $27M for nothing. It also gives them one more year of value out for the money they're spending. It also gives them time to see if either Lack or Eriksson are ready, and if not to go find another goalie (Lundqvist perhaps...).

So, them buying out Luongo does not have to be based on his performance at all. It could simply be that they will grant his bid to leave Vancouver and at the same time get out from under the potential recapture penalties that might come with Luongo retiring prior to the end of his contract.

Your entire basis for claiming flaws is itself based on flaws.
nigelwright275
Calgary Flames
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 3 @ 12:07 PM ET
Your post has some major flaws.

Luongo asked for a trade. They couldn't find a trade partner. The GM asked ownership to buy him out, they said no. That could very easily be because they wanted one more year to try and trade him and not shell out $27M for nothing. It also gives them one more year of value out for the money they're spending. It also gives them time to see if either Lack or Eriksson are ready, and if not to go find another goalie (Lundqvist perhaps...).

So, them buying out Luongo does not have to be based on his performance at all. It could simply be that they will grant his bid to leave Vancouver and at the same time get out from under the potential recapture penalties that might come with Luongo retiring prior to the end of his contract.

Your entire basis for claiming flaws is itself based on flaws.

- KB3Point0



They could not trade him because his contract was awful. No matter how he plays his contract is still awful.

No chance in hell that they let Schneider go just to give Luongo one more year to see if a trade is possible.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 3 @ 12:12 PM ET
They could not trade him because his contract was awful. No matter how he plays his contract is still awful.

No chance in hell that they let Schneider go just to give Luongo one more year to see if a trade is possible.

- nigelwright275


Why not? At the end of last season numerous hockey reporters stated that they would not be surprised to see both players gone by the start of THIS season. So to why not by the start of next season?

The Canucks currently have three good young goalie prospects, two of whom could be NHL ready this season. There are also a number of goalies who could be available for next season, likely on shorter term deals if they didn't feel one of the kids was ready to take the reigns full time quite yet.
nigelwright275
Calgary Flames
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 3 @ 12:17 PM ET
Why not? At the end of last season numerous hockey reporters stated that they would not be surprised to see both players gone by the start of THIS season. So to why not by the start of next season?

The Canucks currently have three good young goalie prospects, two of whom could be NHL ready this season. There are also a number of goalies who could be available for next season, likely on shorter term deals if they didn't feel one of the kids was ready to take the reigns full time quite yet.

- KB3Point0


No team wanted Luongo's contract. It's not like his play sucked. His play was still a high end goalie in the league. What would change from last year to this year if he plays well?
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 3 @ 12:28 PM ET
They could not trade him because his contract was awful. No matter how he plays his contract is still awful.
- nigelwright275


Thanks tips. You should get this newsflash in to someone quick!

If he plays well, which he should, his contract is not nearly as awful as you seem to think it is. He only has the 13th highest cap hit for goalies (with Jimmy Howard only $40k behind him). 5 other goalies have contracts that expire within 3 years of his (some actually after).

With every additional goalie signing Luongo's contract looks better and better. Goalies with one good season under their belts are getting 6 & 7 year deals with much higher cap hits. And look at what skaters have been handed out recently! The last 3 years of Luongo's contract are the only thing that make it look bad. Those are very unlikely to be played. If he doesn't play them his contract is just fine. IF the team were to have to pay recapture (which I still think they'd find a way around) it would be pretty minimal when compared to what the cap is expected to be by that point (they're expecting $80M+ in 4 seasons).
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 3 @ 12:31 PM ET
No team wanted Luongo's contract. It's not like his play sucked. His play was still a high end goalie in the league. What would change from last year to this year if he plays well?
- nigelwright275


Who said anyone wants him???

He played very well last year, but he had a few games where he did not. In a shortened season those games destroyed his numbers so his numbers last year were actually not great. If he were to perform as a top 5 goalie this year it is very possible that a team would trade for him (keep in mind there would also be one less year and $6.7M less on his "awful" contract).
nigelwright275
Calgary Flames
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 3 @ 12:37 PM ET
Who said anyone wants him???

He played very well last year, but he had a few games where he did not. In a shortened season those games destroyed his numbers so his numbers last year were actually not great. If he were to perform as a top 5 goalie this year it is very possible that a team would trade for him (keep in mind there would also be one less year and $6.7M less on his "awful" contract).

- KB3Point0


One year less is nothing considering how much term is left on the contract. Even you said he played well last year and they still could not trade him. There is no chance pro gm's only look at his stat lines to say no to a trade. They watched him last year and my guess is that they all thought he was an ellite goalie with a bad contract. Hell even Luongo came out and said that the only reason that he could not be traded because his contract sucks. Those were his exact words.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 3 @ 1:03 PM ET
One year less is nothing considering how much term is left on the contract. Even you said he played well last year and they still could not trade him. There is no chance pro gm's only look at his stat lines to say no to a trade. They watched him last year and my guess is that they all thought he was an ellite goalie with a bad contract. Hell even Luongo came out and said that the only reason that he could not be traded because his contract sucks. Those were his exact words.
- nigelwright275


Wrong. His exact words were: "My contract sucks. That's what the problem is. It's a big factor in trading me and probably why I'm still here." He only said it was a factor, not the only reason.

Actually, many GMs thought he had an off year last year and were scared that it was the start of a decline, that's what has been reported by many sources anyways. Your "guess" is just that, a guess.

The $6.7M that the Canucks will pay him this year represents 17% of the money left on his deal. That's a pretty substantial portion. When you look at what teams will have to give UFA goalies next year Luongo's deal will look much more appealing.

Your whole argument is flawed.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 3 @ 1:12 PM ET
Interesting list by Ek this morning on the key elements required to win the Cup:

1. A Clutch Goalie Capable of Making Momentum Changing Saves and who thrives in OT.

2. Depth on Defense. Injuries to a defense are inevitable in a long playoff run

3. The combination of Wiley talented Vets and young players on the top 2 lines.

4. A solid 4th line which can contribute key minutes and key points in the playoffs

5. A group which has seen its share of hard times and learned how to lose before learning how to win.

6. A few key leaders who have raised the Cup in their careers and know what it takes to do that again. (Can be added at the Trade Deadline)

7. A coach capable of managing the ups and downs of a long playoff.

8. A player or two known to be (or poised to become) a clutch playoff performer. A guy who can produce when the pressure mounts, especially in Overtime.

9. Special Teams which are consistently in the top 10 in both PP and PK.

10. Favorable playoff Matchups against teams your team always seems to "have their number" versus.


The Canucks certainly have a few question marks on this list, but they also tick off a number of the key elements.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 3 @ 1:26 PM ET
Interesting list by Ek this morning on the key elements required to win the Cup:

1. A Clutch Goalie Capable of Making Momentum Changing Saves and who thrives in OT. Check

2. Depth on Defense. Injuries to a defense are inevitable in a long playoff run Check

3. The combination of Wiley talented Vets and young players on the top 2 lines. Check

4. A solid 4th line which can contribute key minutes and key points in the playoffs

5. A group which has seen its share of hard times and learned how to lose before learning how to win. Check

6. A few key leaders who have raised the Cup in their careers and know what it takes to do that again. (Can be added at the Trade Deadline) Ok Check

7. A coach capable of managing the ups and downs of a long playoff. Check

8. A player or two known to be (or poised to become) a clutch playoff performer. A guy who can produce when the pressure mounts, especially in Overtime. Check

9. Special Teams which are consistently in the top 10 in both PP and PK. Check

10. Favorable playoff Matchups against teams your team always seems to "have their number" versus. Check


The Canucks certainly have a few question marks on this list, but they also tick off a number of the key elements.

- KB3Point0

In like Flynn!!
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 3 @ 1:35 PM ET
In like Flynn!!
- LeftCoaster


Hey, don't write off that 4th line yet!
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Sep 3 @ 1:35 PM ET
Is this thread a joke? It missed the funny-bone for sure.
- tymed8

When is a Canucks thread not?
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Sep 3 @ 1:37 PM ET
In like Flynn!!
- LeftCoaster


I wouldn't give the sad face to the 4th line just yet. If a couple of young guys push for top 9 spots the 4th line could look good. A line of Higgins and Richardson with Wiese or whoever could play some quality minutes.


Edit: KB beat me to it.
nigelwright275
Calgary Flames
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 3 @ 1:52 PM ET
Wrong. His exact words were: "My contract sucks. That's what the problem is. It's a big factor in trading me and probably why I'm still here." He only said it was a factor, not the only reason.

Actually, many GMs thought he had an off year last year and were scared that it was the start of a decline, that's what has been reported by many sources anyways. Your "guess" is just that, a guess.

The $6.7M that the Canucks will pay him this year represents 17% of the money left on his deal. That's a pretty substantial portion. When you look at what teams will have to give UFA goalies next year Luongo's deal will look much more appealing.

Your whole argument is flawed.

- KB3Point0


Saying my argument is flawed is rich coming from the guy that thinks that teams will be able to get around the re-capture. How i am not sure?
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Sep 3 @ 2:02 PM ET
I have an idea.

Just trade Luongo to the Rangers for him and then sign him to an extension. That way you don't have to worry about buying out Luongo.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 3 @ 2:09 PM ET
I have an idea.

Just trade Luongo to the Rangers for him and then sign him to an extension. That way you don't have to worry about buying out Luongo.

- carcus

Lu and AV reunited

KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 3 @ 2:11 PM ET
Saying my argument is flawed is rich coming from the guy that thinks that teams will be able to get around the re-capture. How i am not sure?
- nigelwright275


How are you not sure?

There are numerous ways around recapture. Ask Philly. And Boston.
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