No.

One team plays in a building 41 times - so if the "judge" under- or over-reports, it is going to skew the numbers.

Ditto for a team that visits 6 times, as opposed to once.

If you go to the NHL.com website and look at the team stats, you can compare numbers like "hits" for teams for home and away. There are some huge discrepencies, calling into question the validity of these numbers.

I'm simply not a fan of them: they are far too subjective.
- Atomic Wedgie

Case in point: 2013 playoffs: Chicago threw 449 hits at home, 212 on the road.

Recapture clause - because hes 30

Why doesn't Kovulchuk's contract count against the Devils cap space? Wasn't that the way to prevent long term contracts and then have someone retire?
- Vipers53

A tiny bit of it does: what's called the salary cap recapture.

They will be billed for $250,000 for the next 12 years (or is it longer?).

But the whole contract doesn't remain on the cap, because he signed it before the age of 35.

A tiny bit of it does: what's called the salary cap recapture.

They will be billed for $250,000 for the next 12 years (or is it longer?).

But the whole contract doesn't remain on the cap, because he signed it before the age of 35.
- Atomic Wedgie

seen 2 diff set of numbers but its either 250-300k for 12 - 14 years

Eklund: Big Trades Coming to Alberta? Phaneuf to NJ (e3)
- Eklund

What would Toronto be interested in from New jersey?

What would Toronto be interested in from New jersey?

- Fakepartofme

Maybe a stay-at-home defenceman to play with Dion?

Oh, wait...

I do believe Dion is valuable to our team.... however having said that... Toronto needs to sign Kessel also next year and the thinking is they can only resign 1 without having SALARY CAP issues in the future. Seeing as the Leafs are LOADED with Defensive prospects... Dion is the likely odd man out!

So, by moving Dion and his large contract for some assests like prospects and picks.... then it provides us with the ability to give guys like Finn, Percy, Reilly, Blacker the chance to make the team in a few years and still have the ability to resign them when their Rookie deals expire.

Pluss Jake Gardiner who is no longer a prospect but potentially a #1 Pairing Dman this year or next.... depending on how he develops, can assume more minutes and take some of the valuable minutes Dion had. Now you can see why we MAY need to move a guy like Dion.

Having said all of this though I personally like Dion... but he needs a better partner to be more effective because he has been playing with guys who probably are not top pairing dmen... which hurts his game and the Leafs as a whole! If they find someone to play with Dion then maybe keeping him is the better way to go.

Time will tell!

PS Totally forgot about Petter Grandburg who will likely make our team this year and could be a great assest down the road!
- thehockeygod

If the cap goes up to 70 million as projected, that's an extra 6 million...plenty enough to sign both Kessel and Pa-neuf.

No.

One team plays in a building 41 times - so if the "judge" under- or over-reports, it is going to skew the numbers.

Ditto for a team that visits 6 times, as opposed to once.

If you go to the NHL.com website and look at the team stats, you can compare numbers like "hits" for teams for home and away. There are some huge discrepencies, calling into question the validity of these numbers.

I'm simply not a fan of them: they are far too subjective.
- Atomic Wedgie

But assuming you're saying the homer score judge is going to skew the results, every team has a homer score judge. Maybe a few are "more homer" than others, but how much is that really affecting the results? Do some math for me; you seem like the keen type.

Rumor has it that Nashville and Philly are kicking the tires on Weber. Holmgren is claimed to be willing to give up what they wanted last year.

Per Weber's best friend's, daughter's, dance teacher's, brother's, life partner's, sweaty jock strap's, owner. Yes.

What about Letang to Toronto for

Gardiner
Kulemin
Biggs
2014 1st round pick


I know it's steep but in order to get a #1 defenseman in this league you're going to have to over pay. Just think about a Phanuef and Letang top pair.
- quinnjj


Not on you're life would I do that trade.

I love Letang's game but that is waaaaay to much to be paying to get a guy back with a riduculously large contract!!!

Maybe it would be something like

ONE of Percy, Finn OR Blacker + Gunaarsson + Colbourne + 2014 2nd.... and thats it only because Letang's contract is HUGE and pricey and by taking it we are helping Pittsburg in the long run so they have money to sign others down the road!!!!

PS Kulemin is untouchable!!!
- thehockeygod

Why is Kulemin untouchable?
For the penguins to do this deal Gardiner and Kulemin would be non-negotiable, they have to be 2 of the 4 pieces coming back. Unless you want to put Morgan Reilly in Gardiner's place.

You counter offer is an absolute joke.

Why is Kulemin untouchable?
For the penguins to do this deal Gardiner and Kulemin would be non-negotiable, they have to be 2 of the 4 pieces coming back. Unless you want to put Morgan Reilly in Gardiner's place.

You counter offer is an absolute joke.
- quinnjj

waaaaay to much for letang..gardner is letang in 3 more yrs

Um. Slow, stupid, mistake prone, over paid....you're right. They don't.
- Iggysbff

This coming from an Edmonton fan??? ppfffttt!!!LMFAO this coming from a team with 3 first over als but cant ever make it out of the bottom 10..EVER ,phaneuf would be your best d man hands down..talk about stupid and slow,ya bra ,get a clue

Ok, so lets remove the coloured shades a minute.

In terms of production, Markov and Phaneuf aren't too far off. Markov has slightly better career highs.

In terms of the physical side of defense, Phaneuf wins hands down. Significantly more hits and blocks.

In terms of contract, Markov wins. $5.75m is more friendly than $6.5m. Both are UFA this year and will get a raise. Phaneuf is 6.5 years younger.

Markov achieved well this year playing with the Norris trophy winner. Phaneuf did okay playing much of the time with AHL guys.


Overall, I'd say that they are relatively comparable. Phaneuf brings more physical defense, Markov is better offensively and carrying the rush. There really isn't a major amount of difference between them though.

So now I ask, would you giive up Markov for a 1st round pick?
- lumlums

Must say...I gree

waaaaay to much for letang..gardner is letang in 3 more yrs
- dadichronic

Gardiner will never be Letang. He might be a top 4 but never a Norris trophy candidate.

Toronto fans live on cloud nine...most of you think Phaneuf is a 3.5 million dollar player that's just plain lunacy. And by the way Letang is a bargain at 7.25 million especially compared to all of these other contracts...he could have easily gotten 8+ on the open market. His contract is a discount if anything.

Must say...I gree
- dadichronic

It would take a level A prospect - defense
A top 6 forward and a 1st round pickm

Why is Kulemin untouchable?
For the penguins to do this deal Gardiner and Kulemin would be non-negotiable, they have to be 2 of the 4 pieces coming back. Unless you want to put Morgan Reilly in Gardiner's place.

You counter offer is an absolute joke.
- quinnjj

Kulemin is untouchable because he is a perfect 2nd or 3rd liner... does ALL THE LITTLE THINGS RIGHT, plays hard and physical, knocks guys like Chara on their ass and can score (he did score 30 in 1 year) and is a great PKer.... and you need guys like this to win cups... which is why I say he is untouchable...

My offer is not an absolute joke... I think yours was the joke. If you look at Letangs contract and how he will handcuff the Pens or any other team he gets traded to that is why my offer is more then fair.. while yours is just a blantent gimmie gimmie gimmie all your assests and take our burden. Just because you see Letang as a top dman (which he is) doesn't mean a team will sell the farm to get him.

I like Letang but not at the expense of Gardnier Kulemin another D prospect AND a 1st.... what are you smoking.. cause my friend I'll have some too!

SO how about you guys keep Letang and I bet you Toronto out plays Pittsburg this year head to head.. DEAL?

Also the fact that you want Kulemin or the Letang deal is a no go tells you right there and then why he is UNTOUCHABLE!

Gardiner will never be Letang. He might be a top 4 but never a Norris trophy candidate.

Toronto fans live on cloud nine...most of you think Phaneuf is a 3.5 million dollar player that's just plain lunacy. And by the way Letang is a bargain at 7.25 million especially compared to all of these other contracts...he could have easily gotten 8+ on the open market. His contract is a discount if anything.
- quinnjj

Phaneuf is a great Dman... but because he plays in TO he is scrutinized WAY more then in any other market for the errors he makes! Maybe not worth 6.5mil in his next deal but definately 5mil.... I've wtched Letang make many of the same blunders as Dion because that's the type of players they are.... but Phaneuf is WAAAY better then Kris in his own end!

Gardnier may not be like Letang Offensively but he is definately a better Defensive Dman... especially if you watched any of the BOS-TOR series he played very well and hopefully continues to round out his game. He is also bigger and a better skater then Letang.

... 2 prospects a roster player and a 1st round pck..... That's ridiculous!


Gunaarsson + Percy + Biggs = Letang (again only because of his contract)

If Kris made Dion money then I might throw in a 1st aswell.. but he's making over seven so his value drops for a team like Toronto who have tons of D prospects and don't need Letang and his huge contract.

We are doing Pitts a favour by giving them depth and taking on a large contract while freeing up MILLIONS in cap space.....

I like Letang, but not at his abysmal contract! Which is what many people say about Dion....

Gardiner will never be Letang. He might be a top 4 but never a Norris trophy candidate.

Toronto fans live on cloud nine...most of you think Phaneuf is a 3.5 million dollar player that's just plain lunacy. And by the way Letang is a bargain at 7.25 million especially compared to all of these other contracts...he could have easily gotten 8+ on the open market. His contract is a discount if anything.
- quinnjj

How do you know what Gardiner will or will not be? Glad you know for a fact that he will never be Letang...
Gardiner got 30pts in his rookie year...Letang only broke 30pts once in his first 3 seasons...not to mention Gardiner is making under $1mil now, and is an RFA after this season, which means he will get a raise, but still be making less than half of what Letang makes.
No Leaf fan said Phaneuf should only make $3.5mil, if you go back thru the thread and actually read, you will see it was other teams fans that said he was overpaid by about $3mil...Phaneuf is slightly overpaid at $6.5mil, but IMO he would be underpaid at $5mil...so 5yr $27.5mil deal would be awesome...
Letang is NOT a bargain at $7.25mil, in fact I bet Pens will be regretting that contract within about 3yrs...

Here is a fact...
Vancouver fan's tried to burn down their own city when they choked in the finals.

Stay Classy Vancouver
- Cooshie

still an opinion.

Kulemin is untouchable because he is a perfect 2nd or 3rd liner... does ALL THE LITTLE THINGS RIGHT, plays hard and physical, knocks guys like Chara on their ass and can score (he did score 30 in 1 year) and is a great PKer.... and you need guys like this to win cups... which is why I say he is untouchable...

My offer is not an absolute joke... I think yours was the joke. If you look at Letangs contract and how he will handcuff the Pens or any other team he gets traded to that is why my offer is more then fair.. while yours is just a blantent gimmie gimmie gimmie all your assests and take our burden. Just because you see Letang as a top dman (which he is) doesn't mean a team will sell the farm to get him.

I like Letang but not at the expense of Gardnier Kulemin another D prospect AND a 1st.... what are you smoking.. cause my friend I'll have some too!

SO how about you guys keep Letang and I bet you Toronto out plays Pittsburg this year head to head.. DEAL?

Also the fact that you want Kulemin or the Letang deal is a no go tells you right there and then why he is UNTOUCHABLE!
- thehockeygod

I only think he's a must have because he's Geno's buddy and he's the only wing you have that is any good (excluding Kessel but the Penguins would never trade for him because Crosby and him don't get along).

I only think he's a must have because he's Geno's buddy and he's the only wing you have that is any good (excluding Kessel but the Penguins would never trade for him because Crosby and him don't get along).
- quinnjj

Sorry I forgot Lupul but he's too expensive for pittsburgh.

Letang is no better than Phaneuf. I don't consider him one of the best at all.

Letang is no better than Phaneuf. I don't consider him one of the best at all.
- RogerRoeper

He will win the Norris next year.

He will win the Norris next year.
- quinnjj

Sure.

Marc Staal will never be a #1. He has no offensive talent. Green was bad defensively for 2 years prior to this season, and still isn't as good as Dion is defensively.
- RogerRoeper