they're not striving to lose. they're developing players while shedding "win now" players because that's what everyone does in a rebuild. out with the old, in with the new.

you can't have it both ways in that the sabres keep everyone and keep winning or trade everyone and keep winning. losing will happen in the reshuffling of the deck.

you have it both ways by being upset and angry the entire time. everyone that you disagree with understands your frustration but just keeps cool most of the time because 1.) it's just a game 2.) life has difficulties and when they happen complaining constantly gets you labeled a whiner because you're loudly complaining when everyone else is just dealing with it 3.) it's so easy to complain about things, people that want good things for this team know that management isn't going anywhere and are just going along for the ride and hoping darcy can pull something off or gets fired later because we literally have no other recourse in this matter.

we all bleed blue and gold, so let's just admit to ourselves that the situation is awful right now, regardless of reasons why we got there, which there are many, and just hope things turn around sooner than later and we can be proud of the squad in front of us once again.
- FIREonICE

I know what a rebuild is and don't preach to me and call me a whiner understand, someone posted to me and I replyed.

No truth to Darcy not wanting to eat cap in a deal
- Beezer33

I had a good chuckle when I read that tweet from eklund

It literally contradicted everything Regier has said about trades

they're not striving to lose. they're developing players while shedding "win now" players because that's what everyone does in a rebuild. out with the old, in with the new.

you can't have it both ways in that the sabres keep everyone and keep winning or trade everyone and keep winning. losing will happen in the reshuffling of the deck.

you have it both ways by being upset and angry the entire time. everyone that you disagree with understands your frustration but just keeps cool most of the time because 1.) it's just a game 2.) life has difficulties and when they happen complaining constantly gets you labeled a whiner because you're loudly complaining when everyone else is just dealing with it 3.) it's so easy to complain about things, people that want good things for this team know that management isn't going anywhere and are just going along for the ride and hoping darcy can pull something off or gets fired later because we literally have no other recourse in this matter.

we all bleed blue and gold, so let's just admit to ourselves that the situation is awful right now, regardless of reasons why we got there, which there are many, and just hope things turn around sooner than later and we can be proud of the squad in front of us once again.
- FIREonICE

When u financially invest in team and they are not trying i understand why people complain.
What use is Sulzer in the lineup. He dont score dont hit and wont let a kid play.
I thought the rebuild was about the kids. Like I said Darcy is the captain of the titanic.

When u financially invest in team and they are not trying i understand why people complain.
What use is Sulzer in the lineup. He dont score dont hit and wont let a kid play.
I thought the rebuild was about the kids. Like I said Darcy is the captain of the titanic.
- hafgod

Your personal financial investment into any sports team is always a choice.

When u financially invest in team and they are not trying i understand why people complain.
What use is Sulzer in the lineup. He dont score dont hit and wont let a kid play.
I thought the rebuild was about the kids. Like I said Darcy is the captain of the titanic.
- hafgod

Sulzer lead the D in scoring before he got hurt

just saying

Possibly. That's started to get a little theoretical though

I'm gonna drop it, didn't mean to seem so argumentative.

I guess I just really wouldn't have traded Seguin. How many players have the most points on the team in their second full year? Especially ones playing outside their position and on a very good very talented team
- Putzfrau

Not sure what u mean by "theoretical"
Isn't that what this whole conversation has been?
Apparently Seguin had an attitude problem, Boston was quite public about how they were displeased with him... So while very talented, they decided the "room" would be better off without him
And getting Eriksson back was a great trade IMO
First Neal, now Eriksson...
Darcy, please call Dallas about getting Benn!
Hahaha

Another thing to consider here...
Seguin's new 5.75m contract kicks in this year
Maybe they're concerned about paying a kid w maturity & work ethic issues that kind of cash
And for a team that spends near the cap like Boston,
Eriksson at 4.25m is a really nice deal, and he's signed for 3 more years
And by also shipping out Peverly,
They save roughly 5mil in cap room

It was a smart deal for Boston IMO

Sulzer lead the D in scoring before he got hurt

just saying
- CaptPantalones

yeah i'd like to keep him for a full season just for the heck of it. might end up being a good move. 7 D never hurt.

Not sure what u mean by "theoretical"
Isn't that what this whole conversation has been?
Apparently Seguin had an attitude problem, Boston was quite public about how they were displeased with him... So while very talented, they decided the "room" would be better off without him
And getting Eriksson back was a great trade IMO
First Neal, now Eriksson...
Darcy, please call Dallas about getting Benn!
Hahaha

Another thing to consider here...
Seguin's new 5.75m contract kicks in this year
Maybe they're concerned about paying a kid w maturity & work ethic issues that kind of cash
And for a team that spends near the cap like Boston,
Eriksson at 4.25m is a really nice deal, and he's signed for 3 more years
And by also shipping out Peverly,
They save roughly 5mil in cap room

It was a smart deal for Boston IMO
- jdfitz77

I don't think their is much truth to Seguin being out of control. I am only a few years removed from being 21 I know what it's like. I doubt he was any worse than Patrick Kane and somehow management got through to him

Maybe Boston didn't want to bother, that's fine. Personally I feel that he's talented enough to be worth the investment.

As i said earlier tho, I am dropping it. I got too argumentative and its really not that important to me.

Bulls$$t rebuild or not, you should not strive to lose or get the best pick possible next year, you ice a team that can compete while in a rebuild. Adding a player or 2 yesterday would have helped. Only in Buffalo is it exceptable to lose and try for a number 1 pick.
- SABRES 89

It's not striving to lose, and it's not "only in Buffalo." The only in Buffalo comments are garbage and never true. It's not about striving to lose at all. It's a strategy that franchises utilize all the time.

You don't go out and grab a couple flavors of the week to help this year. Free agency day contracts are always inflated. Either too many years, too much money, unwarranted NMC/NTCs or combinations of all 3. Those signings tie up money and roster spots, making it tough to get the guy you really want when the opportunity presents itself.

Then I'll say something about patience, and you'll say something about 40+ years of losing. Then you'll say something about people attacking you. Then one of us must not watch the games. Then one of us isn't a real fan. And then blah, blah, blah....

I know what a rebuild is and don't preach to me and call me a whiner understand, someone posted to me and I replyed.
- SABRES 89

89, you and i agree more than we don't even though we generally take opposite views on things. you by no means are the only person that complains about things on this board but you are usually the loudest and most consistent complainer on this site. I know there's a division here between optimists and pessimists but even for folks that complain in a short while, it can be frustrating to constantly hear people female dog and complain about how the sky is always falling.

Bulls$$t rebuild or not, you should not strive to lose or get the best pick possible next year, you ice a team that can compete while in a rebuild. Adding a player or 2 yesterday would have helped. Only in Buffalo is it exceptable to lose and try for a number 1 pick.
- SABRES 89

Who did u want us to get?
I see no reason why a good free agent would choose to come here?
I'm sure whatever $ we would've offered was gonna be comparable to what the player got elsewhere, playing for a better team in a "better" city

If u were Clarkson, would u go to Toronto or come here?

Who did u want us to get?
I see no reason why a good free agent would choose to come here?
I'm sure whatever $ we would've offered was gonna be comparable to what the player got elsewhere, playing for a better team in a "better" city

If u were Clarkson, would u go to Toronto or come here?
- jdfitz77

Obviously Darcy's fault he hasn't invested more into mind control

When u financially invest in team and they are not trying i understand why people complain.
What use is Sulzer in the lineup. He dont score dont hit and wont let a kid play.
I thought the rebuild was about the kids. Like I said Darcy is the captain of the titanic.
- hafgod

It's a 1 year deal to get you by while one of those young kids plays 30 minutes a night in the AHL.

I don't think their is much truth to Seguin being out of control. I am only a few years removed from being 21 I know what it's like. I doubt he was any worse than Patrick Kane and somehow management got through to him

Maybe Boston didn't want to bother, that's fine. Personally I feel that he's talented enough to be worth the investment.

As i said earlier tho, I am dropping it. I got too argumentative and its really not that important to me.
- Putzfrau

theres been 2 published articles about his out of control ways. the one about the boston/toronto series and the one how he trashed his apartment in switzerland and tried to wash his clothes in the dryer

He just doesnt seem as good as hiding his out of control ways as Kane is apparently. And to his credit, Kane took his mom to live with him while he played during the lockout

theres been 2 published articles about his out of control ways. the one about the boston/toronto series and the one how he trashed his apartment in switzerland and tried to wash his clothes in the dryer

He just doesnt seem as good as hiding his out of control ways as Kane is apparently. And to his credit, Kane took his mom to live with him while he played during the lockout
- CaptPantalones

Kane was caught on video drunkenly stumbling around after choking some girl...

I sincerely doubt either are the only or hardest partiers in hockey.

He's only 21

Who did u want us to get?
I see no reason why a good free agent would choose to come here?
I'm sure whatever $ we would've offered was gonna be comparable to what the player got elsewhere, playing for a better team in a "better" city

If u were Clarkson, would u go to Toronto or come here?
- jdfitz77

Capt, P and myself agreed that a few would be good to grsab yesterday

Matt Cullen
Grabovski
Brunner

to name as couple, does it make it ok because Capt P agreed with me? Clarkson is a bum and in no way worth what he's getting.

When u financially invest in team and they are not trying i understand why people complain.
What use is Sulzer in the lineup. He dont score dont hit and wont let a kid play.
I thought the rebuild was about the kids. Like I said Darcy is the captain of the titanic.
- hafgod

if you rush kids, then you end up like the islanders for 7 years.

the rangers organizational philosophy is that a prospect should dominate in the AHL for a season before becoming an NHL player and it's worked out great. rush kids and you ruin them.

Sulzer lead the D in scoring before he got hurt

just saying
- CaptPantalones

I guess. Was that a good thing or was our d production that bad.
How does he help our ist round pick play. which u all sold me as nhl ready

Kane was caught on video drunkenly stumbling around after choking some girl...

I sincerely doubt either are the only or hardest partiers in hockey.

He's only 21
- Putzfrau

Kane's problem seems to be booze, not sure Seguin has the same choice in party favours. That's the rumour anyway.

It's not striving to lose, and it's not "only in Buffalo." The only in Buffalo comments are garbage and never true. It's not about striving to lose at all. It's a strategy that franchises utilize all the time.

You don't go out and grab a couple flavors of the week to help this year. Free agency day contracts are always inflated. Either too many years, too much money, unwarranted NMC/NTCs or combinations of all 3. Those signings tie up money and roster spots, making it tough to get the guy you really want when the opportunity presents itself.

Then I'll say something about patience, and you'll say something about 40+ years of losing. Then you'll say something about people attacking you. Then one of us must not watch the games. Then one of us isn't a real fan. And then blah, blah, blah....
- keptupl8

See it for what ever way you want, this team is still going backwards and it should not be in this position right now. You look at it your way and i'll look at it my way.

I guess. Was that a good thing or was our d production that bad.
How does he help our ist round pick play. which u all sold me as nhl ready
- hafgod

I think hes that good IMO. Hes got some skill, he was just buried in Vancouver and Nashville. Id like to see what he can do when he plays a full 82 for us.

In regards to Risto, I dont think it changes that much. Im sure hell get every shot to make the team, but im fully expecting the Girgensons treatment

When u financially invest in team and they are not trying i understand why people complain.
What use is Sulzer in the lineup. He dont score dont hit and wont let a kid play.
I thought the rebuild was about the kids. Like I said Darcy is the captain of the titanic.
- hafgod

I think Sulzer is here to be the #7/8 defenseman
I think Ristolainen starts in Rochester
And our opening night defense looks like this:
Ehrhoff-Myers
Weber-McBain/Pysyk
McNabb-Pysyk/McBain
Sulzer

Ruhwedel also starts in Rochester
That way, he & Ristolainen both get big minutes down there
And it gives McNabb, Pysyk & McBain a look to see if we want them as part of the future or not?
We're going to have to make some decisions on defense in the next year or two bc McCabe, Zadorov, Ristolainen & Ruhwedel (and possibly Leduc) will all be pushing for a roster spot & playing time

See it for what ever way you want, this team is still going backwards and it should not be in this position right now. You look at it your way and i'll look at it my way.
- SABRES 89

Id have to say they are more in neutral right now. This rebuild could go either way. They cant get much worse

if you rush kids, then you end up like the islanders for 7 years.

the rangers organizational philosophy is that a prospect should dominate in the AHL for a season before becoming an NHL player and it's worked out great. rush kids and you ruin them.
- rangerdanger94

Rangers got as far as the islanders this year.
If your good enough u paly. If your not u go down. The sabres for years dont rush there players no cups. Pittsburgh chicago played there high picks day 1

Kane's problem seems to be booze, not sure Seguin has the same choice in party favours. That's the rumour anyway.
- BigStew

Haven't heard that before...

Just saying, there's a few of 21 year old millionaires in the nhl. I'm sure they all have partied to some degree.


It's either worth the effort for Boston to work on it or its not. They obviously felt it wasn't. I think they gave up too soon.