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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:18 PM ET
how he acquired bryz is as bad as anything. it set the stage for failure. ed can jump up and down all he wants, but homer has to say, 'if you want him, let me acquire him the right way'...and that means reading the mkt properly and negotiating like a pro instead of the amateur hour we witnessed. that makes sense.
- isaiah520



It didn't set the stage for failure. The only thing that failed is how the Goalie played, and how the team played in front of him. That is the failure. There is still this mistaken belief that Holmgren could've played the market and used Vokoun to drive down the cost of a deal with Bryzgalov. I beleive that to be false. For two reasons, Winter would've have simply said, go get Vokoun, and called that bluff. These are my clients demands, if you want to sign him. And we'll work off of that. And the Flyers would've had to have been willing to settle for Vokoun. Which I don't beleive they were. The only things that made the Bryzgalov deal a bad deal, is how the player, played. and the Cap recapture rule added after the fact. If he played to his former Vezina level, his Cap hit was very manageable for that player.
This repeated refrain of the way it went about as being amatuerish, is way off base in my opinion.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 3 @ 12:19 PM ET
Isn't every single goalie we've ever had been a disaster and a distraction?
- Flyersgod


Well they haven't been distractions. Only a select few. Most have been disasters since Hextall.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 3 @ 12:19 PM ET
A realistic, threatening Flyers roster looks like this to me....

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
B.Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds
Gagne-Coututier-Read
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Grossman-Gustafsson

Mason
Thomas

PERIOD!

- dingo8urbaby

SIGN ME UP!
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:20 PM ET
Politics....really?
- shekkie


If there's anything I like less than sifting through thread pages populated by trolls, it's reading multiple posts about politics.

Sweet Jesus. Hockey's at least a game, fun. Who the hell wants to read about leftist and right-wing crap?
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:20 PM ET
In regards to politics...

There is no republican or democrat. There is only us, and them (the elite political class).

We fight with one another about politics, while they make backroom deals to screw us any way possible.

To think any of them really have our best interest at heart is a complete joke. Government is about gaining power, and more power, and more power. It's the nature of the beast.

Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:22 PM ET
If there's anything I like less than sifting through thread pages populated by trolls, it's reading multiple posts about politics.

Sweet Jesus. Hockey's at least a game, fun. Who the hell wants to read about leftist and right-wing crap?

- AllInForFlyers


A lot of times when talking about sports, their political views contradict their views on behaviors within sports.

I find that part fun. Other than that, it's just a distraction from the Vinny signing and what a great deal it is for us.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:23 PM ET
i don't understand you guys love affair with Talbot. He had a fluke year in his first year with the Flyers he won't crack 30points again. His numbers on average are around 20-23pts a season and his 1.75 cap hit plus with players in the system like a Laughton he could be replace more cheaply and more offensive upside.
- 215mike



There is more to the game then scoring goals. Talbot isn't going anywhere.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 3 @ 12:23 PM ET
I bet all of next years taxes that if Bobby Ryan ran for President in the next election... a few Flyers fans would vote for him. Ya know, his local ties and all.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:24 PM ET
Well they haven't been distractions. Only a select few. Most have been disasters since Hextall.
- PLindbergh31


They're only distractions if you're losing. Winning cures everything.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:25 PM ET
I bet all of next years taxes that if Bobby Ryan ran for President in the next election... a few Flyers fans would vote for him. Ya know, his local ties and all.
- jak521


Nah... pretty sure elections in NJ are still rigged.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 3 @ 12:25 PM ET
There is more to the game then scoring goals. Talbot isn't going anywhere.
- MJL

Au contraire mon frere! How do you know he isnt going on vacation this summer? Are you his trip adviser? Accountant? Real Estate Broker? FWB?
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
You're just too easy to chirp.
- Tomahawk


It just makes you a troll.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
I have a job and can pay them off. Mine actually aren;t bad. I'm fortunate to have parents that paid for most of my education. Plus I went to Temple, which isn't an expensive school.

My fiancé on the other hand struggles to make payments because her loans came with ridiculous adjustable rates (She had no idea what she was signing). Her loans will soon be my loans too.

Blaming Obama for all of this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. This problem is shared between with republicans and democrats. Congress is made up for the most part of 'Old riche' people who have never experienced anything that most people are going through. They are all selfish wieners who are more interested in getting re-elected than helping anyone.

You see, being an elected official is like an internship for your next job. You allow your boosters to get rich and they will repay you when you're done.

I don't vote. I never have and I never will. Keep running out and electing people while our elected officials give you the illusion that your vote actually matters.

- PhillySportsGuy

non voters are the reason why people like obama keep getting reelected vote out the incumbants!
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
Nah... pretty sure elections in NJ are still rigged.
- Flyersgod

Eeek... I was actually talking about people in Pa.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
A realistic, threatening Flyers roster looks like this to me....

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
B.Schenn-Lecavalier-Simmonds
Gagne-Coututier-Read
Rosehill-Talbot-Rinaldo

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Grossman-Gustafsson

Mason
Thomas

PERIOD!

- dingo8urbaby


I agree. Not sure it works with Gags unless Thomas and Gagne sign very cheap.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
If there's anything I like less than sifting through thread pages populated by trolls, it's reading multiple posts about politics.

Sweet Jesus. Hockey's at least a game, fun. Who the hell wants to read about leftist and right-wing crap?

- AllInForFlyers

then why are you on the internet?
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 3 @ 12:27 PM ET
Vinny to wear 40 and Steit 32
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 3 @ 12:27 PM ET
then why are you on the internet?
- 2Real

He/She is on a hockey blog. Ya know... HOCKEY.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:27 PM ET
It just makes you a troll.
- youarewrong



jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 3 @ 12:27 PM ET
Vinny to wear 40 and Steit 32
- nastyflyergirl

you is on yo game today gurl.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:28 PM ET
It just makes you a troll.
- youarewrong


As an x-republican I can assume you are a republican. Obviously he is not. As a republican you need to know, that you can never ever argue with someone who isn't. They wrote the book on how to use made up words to make you do angry etc.

Like the purden of proof crap.... I hate that more than any other line on the face of the earth. I'd rather hear Jack Edwards call a game than hear that crap line.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:28 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: More Lecavalier, Next Steps
- bmeltzer


Bill, maybe EE. Should read this blog because apparently our problem is no money when looks like we'll be ok. I'm still kind of surprised he decided to come here, I was sure he'd go to Montreal. I like how Habs fans are now bashing the deal and Vinny. This seems just like the Briere deal on 07, Looks like French Canadian stars don't want to play there.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 3 @ 12:28 PM ET
Morin has top pair potential. Luke Schenn does also. So that is incorrect.
- MJL

out of context...was talking about the next 2 yrs. they need a top level puck mover
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 3 @ 12:28 PM ET
He/She is on a hockey blog. Ya know... HOCKEY.
- jak521

internet = freedom
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:28 PM ET
did you guys see this poop from bob.....


Igor Eronko ‏@IgorEronko 3h
Sergei Bobrovsky on Bryzgalov’s contract BO: ‘Philly is a severe city for the goalies. Bryz was under pressure and i fully understand him

Igor Eronko ‏@IgorEronko 3h
More Bobrovsky: ‘Medias’ and fans’ opinions weigh too much in Philly. Sometimes those are contradictory’ #CBJ #Flyers
Retweeted by Dave Isaac

- PhillaBully

Sigh.
I hope this is taken out of context.
Although I agree that most of our media should be buried under the ice...
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