They don't thats why they would then flip Reimer for edmontons 37th overall pick. Plus bernier is what 25 or 26 and only played 62 games in mostly meaningless situations this way it buys TO some time so that Bernier can get groomed for a starting role at the prime age of 28 or 29ish
- I-own_da-Northwest

So we take on a ton of salary for a good, but old goalie for the next 8 years. Then we deal Reimer who is still young and getting better with a good cap hit, just to trade him and get Edmonton's 37th overall (Who may never play a game in the NHL). Wow I'm sold.

Hank does the routine better than you. He doesn't even have to try
- Canada Cup

Well he's a little better at assessing other teams needs but I think my proposals have been good hockey trades where both teams fill needs and have good hockey trades.

Leafs fans think Gardiner is so good.
The sad reality for you guys is that he's a poor mans Chris Tanev. Trade him while some other GM's are still dumb enough to think he could be a top 4 d-man.
- hankthetank

You're funnier than Northwest....

Leafs fans think Gardiner is so good.
The sad reality for you guys is that he's a poor mans Chris Tanev. Trade him while some other GM's are still dumb enough to think he could be a top 4 d-man.
- hankthetank

i disagree. I think gardiner is a stud, because he controls the game when he is out there. Guys like morgan reilly are ALL offense, whereas gardiner reminds me of A POOR MAN's (notice i stessed so as not to overrate) scott niedermayer. He isn't a banger but gets position on guys defensively, and when he has the puck it seems like he's been in the league for 15 years. Gardiner has serious hockey smarts, which is just as important as skill. I would trade reilly or kadri before gardiner.

Ian Esplen: Weekend Plan
- IanEsplen

is drink tons of beer. watch the draft and learn screenOS oh BBQ rain or shine.


and as always hang out at the buzz.


has luongo been place on waiver wire yet?

here's what i don't get. the isles are on record saying they will never buy out dipietro yet they will also never play him again. if they're going to pay the 4.5/year to not play, why not pay 5.3 a year for a guy who makes you a contender in the east. with a better goalie, they get past pittsburgh. if they decide after 5 years they don't want to play luongo it's not their problem to solve. it's vancouver's with the recapture. this is really a no brainer for the isles which leads me to believe either Lu said no or the Canucks said no. Either way if they don't deal cory, Lu is traded or bought out. Why not buy out dipietro instead and get a conditional pick from the isles. if the isles make the playoffs in 3 of the next 5 years with Lu playing at least 55 games, it's a 2nd rounder in 2018. if they win the cup in the next 5 years, it's a 1st rounder in 2018. if they miss the playoffs in 3 of the next 5 years, the canucks send a 2nd rounder. risk/reward on both sides. just get your head out of your ass gillis and don't let the window hit your ass on the way out as it continues to close.
- therealagent

They said they were never going to buy him out? Maybe because they knew they had a trade on the table for Lu?

Seriously, it makes too much sense for it NOT to happen. They have no goalies!! They can play Lu for 4-5 years while someone else is drafted and developed. They have the money, and a decent up and coming team.

As you said...maybe Lu nixed it and he's playing a game of FU to Vancouver.

I've read some idiotic things on the Oilers blog about moving gagner for
gardiner+ but this is just plain bizarro world.

Basically this is two number 1's and a #2 center for Bobby Lou. You are not going to get first round value for Luongo. Especially not Gardiner whose upside is huge and is more like a # 3 right now with # 1-2 potential in the near future. People say Leaf fans are blinded by homerism. Vancouver should deal Schneider and play Luongo. Problem solved. Oh wait, they've already embarrassed and peeved off Luongo and he has already checked out.

Did I mention the Leafs already have two good young goalies?
- WendelClark82

Yeah, too bad only one can play at a time. Schneider's better than both of them.

Gillis is going to surprise a lot of people this weekend. I know a few people inside the Canucks organization and they are all saying something big is going down at the draft. Lets just say the Canucks will be picking in the top 10 at the draft. I've already said too much.
- hankthetank

That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. The only thing that would surprise me at the draft is if Gillis didn't make at least one big trade.

is drink tons of beer. watch the draft and learn screenOS oh BBQ rain or shine.


and as always hang out at the buzz.


has luongo been place on waive yet?
- zazzle

Loungo will not be placed on waivers there are 15-20 teams preparing solid offers for him as we speak. He is the second best active goalie behind brodeur according to www.google.com Gillis will have his pick at some great offers, hopefully he chooses one that is fair for the other team as well.

I think Loungo+ Shroeder for Bozak+Gunnarsson+ 2013 first could be a deal that gets done. Both teams fill pressing needs and you won't find a more fair hockey trade than this
- I-own_da-Northwest

ya no first round pick unless Vancouver picks up part of the tab on Lu contract.

Yeah, too bad only one can play at a time. Schneider's better than both of them.
- KB3Point0

I think all 3 are unproven. Saying any one of the 3 is better than the others is homerism. Not one of them have won a playoff series, or completely taken their team on their back (except for flashes of schneider and reimer this regular season).

I think all 3 are unproven. Saying any one of the 3 is better than the others is homerism. Not one of them have won a playoff series, or completely taken their team on their back (except for flashes of schneider and reimer this regular season).
- clark_griswold

Reimer and Schneider are equal. Now I've heard it all. No wonder everyone around here thinks Leaf fans are homers.

Reimer and Schneider are equal. Now I've heard it all. No wonder everyone around here thinks Leaf fans are homers.
- hankthetank

Please explain how schneider blows reimer out of the water? I'm not saying one is better than the other but all 3 goalies have proven squat so far. Let's hear it.

I think all 3 are unproven. Saying any one of the 3 is better than the others is homerism. Not one of them have won a playoff series, or completely taken their team on their back (except for flashes of schneider and reimer this regular season).
- clark_griswold

Schneider is the most developed of the 3. Do you think Leafs Management was comfortable with Reimer?

They said they were never going to buy him out? Maybe because they knew they had a trade on the table for Lu?

Seriously, it makes too much sense for it NOT to happen. They have no goalies!! They can play Lu for 4-5 years while someone else is drafted and developed. They have the money, and a decent up and coming team.

As you said...maybe Lu nixed it and he's playing a game of FU to Vancouver.
- djamon

And their GM is a friggin' ex goalie. Ex goalies understand the value of having a good goalie in the net.

Reimer and Schneider are equal. Now I've heard it all. No wonder everyone around here thinks Leaf fans are homers.
- hankthetank

Not as far apart as you may think. Especially considering the teams in front of them.

ya no first round pick unless Vancouver picks up part of the tab on Lu contract.
- zazzle

They would already be picking up Bozaks + taking a bad contract in Gunnarsson...I dunno maybe they pick up 333,000 of loungos salary, but I don't know what else they could do to help out TO's cap situation.

Schneider is the most developed of the 3.
- VanHockeyGuy

He's also the oldest.

Reimer and Schneider are equal. Now I've heard it all. No wonder everyone around here thinks Leaf fans are homers.
- hankthetank

stats are very similar , except that schneider has ONE win in 10 playoff games...i digress though, he is obviously better because he was projected to be better

stats are very similar , except that schneider has ONE win in 10 playoff games...i digress though, he is obviously better because he was projected to be better
- clark_griswold

Why not trade Reimer for a nice package of prospects and picks then? Looks like the Leafs are going to be stuck with the same problem Gillis has. 2 great goalies. Nice move, Nonis!

Schneider is the most developed of the 3. Do you think Leafs Management was comfortable with Reimer?
- VanHockeyGuy

i'm not a huge reimer fan. Love his character and attitude but i know he has his shortcomings. But he has played more NHL games than schneider, very similar stats (and van is / was a much better team) and schneider was awful in the playoffs this year (injured or not). I fail to see what i'm missing

I think all 3 are unproven. Saying any one of the 3 is better than the others is homerism. Not one of them have won a playoff series, or completely taken their team on their back (except for flashes of schneider and reimer this regular season).
- clark_griswold

No it isn't. Schneider's been fantastic in net for the Canucks for 3 straight years now. His numbers have been stead and outstanding. Before that he was great in the AHL (not good, he was great). He has also played very well in the playoffs when healthy.

You thinking that Reimer of Bernier are as good as Schneider has shown to be thus far is homerism.

Why not trade Reimer for a nice package of prospects and picks then? Looks like the Leafs are going to be stuck with the same problem Gillis has. 2 great goalies. Nice move, Nonis!
- hankthetank

yeah, reimer's whopping 1.8 million dollar salary is kiling us. And bernier's contract is going to ruin us. How about you answer the question you so boldly hinted at - why schneider is MUCH better than reimer?

Why not trade Reimer for a nice package of prospects and picks then? Looks like the Leafs are going to be stuck with the same problem Gillis has. 2 great goalies. Nice move, Nonis!
- hankthetank

It could very well turn out to be another S**T Show.

Why not trade Reimer for a nice package of prospects and picks then? Looks like the Leafs are going to be stuck with the same problem Gillis has. 2 great goalies. Nice move, Nonis!
- hankthetank

He should have known better. I mean it wasn't the smartest of moves after he signed phaneuf to that aweful contract and extended Kessel with that Albatross of a contract. Don't even get me started on Grabovski.