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So they play like pu$$ys but big bad letang will toughen them up?
- coryberg2

Agreed.

Letang is mean like the vampires from Twilight are mean....not that I've ever watched that garbage...

I'll take Edler at his cap hit over Letang at what he'll get any day.

And his defensive game is light years behind Garrison's.
- KB3Point0

True enough. Just as long as you keep Garrison's abilities in perspective versus Letang's. Garrison is not elite at anything and will likely never garnish Norris votes, while Letang is a legit $7m guy.

I don't watch Pitt enough to really have a great handle on Letang's defensive game, but he's been a +52 the last 3 years. Some people just claim he gets' all his points on the PP, but the +/- would say otherwise.

Yeah but they need a solid 3rd line centre a lot more than a puck moving d man. They need someone who can win more than 40% of the draws. They need more balance on the 2nd and 3rd lines to take the defensive focus off the 1st line. I agree Letang's offensive upside is quite good - but the cap hit really limits MG's ability to build a more complete team - which is what they desperately need right now.
- Canuckleafer

That sounds like how I feel with the Leafs and Letang. I'd love to have him, but we have more pressing needs.

Agreed.

Letang is mean like the vampires from Twilight are mean....not that I've ever watched that garbage...

I'll take Edler at his cap hit over Letang at what he'll get any day.
- Fosco

It only makes sense if the move is made to replace Dion. The Franson trade was brilliant - he was the best all around dman this year.
- Canuckleafer

That's crazy. Franson made a nice leap, but he did it against 3rd lines. He's not in Dion's class just yet.

Ian Esplen: Weekend Plan
- IanEsplen

You forgot......

5- Get a freaking Center!

If he's traded then the team that acquires him could sign him for 8.
- KB3Point0

As could Toronto. (Not that I want them to).

True enough. Just as long as you keep Garrison's abilities in perspective versus Letang's. Garrison is not elite at anything and will likely never garnish Norris votes, while Letang is a legit $7m guy.

I don't watch Pitt enough to really have a great handle on Letang's defensive game, but he's been a +52 the last 3 years. Some people just claim he gets' all his points on the PP, but the +/- would say otherwise.
- djamon

Garrison's elite at cannoning the puck from the point. He's a PP specialist who hardly ever got to play the PP under AV. He's also very good at most other things. He's a much more well rounded D-man than Letang. Letang isn't worth $3M a year more than Garrison.

The $3M difference between Garrison's cap hit and Letang's quickly turns your $2M 3rd line center into a $5M 3rd line center.
- KB3Point0

They need to deal with the 3C issue

Garrison's elite at cannoning the puck from the point. He's a PP specialist who hardly ever got to play the PP under AV. He's also very good at most other things. He's a much more well rounded D-man than Letang. Letang isn't worth $3M a year more than Garrison.
- KB3Point0

He does have a hell of a shot..."cannoning"...love it. Hopefully, you'll be proven right with Torts usage of him. It's hard to say what he'll end up being...I thought he was pretty rough the first 15 games in Van, but got better as the year wore on.

As could Toronto. (Not that I want them to).
- djamon

Yes. Someone else said that if Toronto was where he wanted to go they shouldn't offer much in a trade because he can just sign there the next year. I said he will be traded and that team will have the opportunity to sign him for 8 years while Toronto would then only have the opportunity to sign him for 7, which would represent a risk if they really wanted him.

If I was Toronto I wouldn't sign him though. Not for $7M+. They have enough up and coming D-men and more pressing needs. Unless they could then swap one of those young D-men for a top tier Center...

They need to deal with the 3C issue
- VanHockeyGuy

It's been their most pressing issue since Manny went down. Hasn't been fixed in 2 years.

I'd prefer to keep Garrison then sign Letang for $7M. Absolute no go on that.
- KB3Point0

If 7 mill is going to be spent on a player it has to be a top 6 forward. Canucks D is fine - see what Torts can do as far as toughening them up.

He does have a hell of a shot..."cannoning"...love it. Hopefully, you'll be proven right with Torts usage of him. It's hard to say what he'll end up being...I thought he was pretty rough the first 15 games in Van, but got better as the year wore on.
- djamon

It took him a little while to adjust to the new system. He didn't look bad in that adjustment time, but he didn't look amazing. Keep in mind there was also no pre-season. He was their best all round D-man after about game 10. Made very few mistakes with the puck, played physical D, contributed offensively when given the chance.

If 7 mill is going to be spent on a player it has to be a top 6 forward. Canucks D is fine - see what Torts can do as far as toughening them up.
- docmorgan

In a perfect world I'd like to add a puck moving D-man (an Ehrhoff, Letang, Boyle type guy) but those are very hard to come by. Teams don't give them up easily once they have them. Don't know of any that would be available that won't cost $7M.

move schneider to philly. Let bobby lou play. Simple
- clark_griswold

just my thoughts on this as well...yes....with torts...LUO may change his mind to stay...doubt it now....! hate to lose LUO for nothing..if he does get bought out

Agreed.

Letang is mean like the vampires from Twilight are mean....not that I've ever watched that garbage...

I'll take Edler at his cap hit over Letang at what he'll get any day.
- Fosco

We agree

Yes. Someone else said that if Toronto was where he wanted to go they shouldn't offer much in a trade because he can just sign there the next year. I said he will be traded and that team will have the opportunity to sign him for 8 years while Toronto would then only have the opportunity to sign him for 7, which would represent a risk if they really wanted him.

If I was Toronto I wouldn't sign him though. Not for $7M+. They have enough up and coming D-men and more pressing needs. Unless they could then swap one of those young D-men for a top tier Center...
- KB3Point0

Why would Toronto be any different than any other team in the term they could offer?

And I agree 100% we have more pressing needs.

Edit : Nevermind, I know what you're saying now.

Why would Toronto be any different than any other team in the term they could offer?

And I agree 100% we have more pressing needs.
- djamon

If a team trades for Letang they have the upper hand in contract negotiations because they can resign him for 8 years, while the other 29 teams (including the Leafs and Penguins) could only sign him for 7.

Why would Toronto be any different than any other team in the term they could offer?

And I agree 100% we have more pressing needs.

Edit : Nevermind, I know what you're saying now.
- djamon

Oh good!

- 1970vintage

Well....the wife had it on, and I just happened to catch a bit while I was skinning the bear I killed with my bare hands, which I was doing between bench-press reps, which I started right after I finished fencing against my own shadow in the mirror (fencing's manly, right?).

That's crazy. Franson made a nice leap, but he did it against 3rd lines. He's not in Dion's class just yet.
- djamon

agreed. Dion gets ripped on, and while he's not the best in the league, he is way overworked and needs support. Even chara looked like ass in the finals due to being overworked. Franson is good, but he doesn't have to shut down ovie, or nash and play 25 mins a game. Fans screaming to get rid of dion for nothing have no clue about the game of hockey. Does he make mistakes? of course, and more than anyone else as he plays more than anyone else.

That's crazy. Schenn's value is the one dropping...not Schneider's.
- djamon

Schenn's value is only dropping as he was way overrated in the first place. I think he is a great second line player who can do it all. My point is him for schneider straight up wouldn't be a bad deal for either team, to throw in another first (high one at that) and a prospect is nuts.

Schenn's value is only dropping as he was way overrated in the first place. I think he is a great second line player who can do it all. My point is him for schneider straight up wouldn't be a bad deal for either team, to throw in another first (high one at that) and a prospect is nuts.
- clark_griswold

Yeah...the 1st is high this year. But I just think starting goalies' value is much higher than 2C right now. You're right about Schenn's value being too high initially, but do you see him as any better, right now, than Bozak?

Does the buyout period run right to July 5th?