Not sure what you mean by this draft's Toews. Mackinnon closely compares to Taylor Hall at the Centre ice position mixed with Stamkos' shot and offensive awareness.
- ystoil

Taylor Hall plays the wing at the NHL. Taylor Hall is not responsible in the defensive zone. Mackinnon is, when I say Toews. I mean Mackinnon could be a franchise center capable of putting up 70-80 points a year while also taking every important faceoff and playing on the pk.

I would love for the Oilers to acquire Shawn Matthias or Goc. He is exactly what we need down the middle.

I'd be willing to do Paajarvi and mid round pick in 2014 (up to a second rounder) for Matthias?

What about Goc and Upshall for Horcoff (we retain half of his salary and cap), Anaheims second, and Toni Rajala

Thoughts?

Taylor Hall plays the wing at the NHL. Taylor Hall is not responsible in the defensive zone. Mackinnon is, when I say Toews. I mean Mackinnon could be a franchise center capable of putting up 70-80 points a year while also taking every important faceoff and playing on the pk.
- blacksheep1

I know where Hall plays, I'm an Oiler fan. I said Mackinnon plays a Hall style game at the centre ice position. Hall is fine in his own zone, however, he can make questionable plays at the opposition's blue line.

But yes, Mackinnon can definitely be that player.

I would love for the Oilers to acquire Shawn Matthias or Goc. He is exactly what we need down the middle.

I'd be willing to do Paajarvi and mid round pick in 2014 (up to a second rounder) for Matthias?

What about Goc and Upshall for Horcoff (we retain half of his salary and cap), Anaheims second, and Toni Rajala

Thoughts?
- ystoil

I love Goc. He was very quietly on pace for a 16 or so goal season and 40 points. He is amazing on the penalty kill. He is a great 3rd line center, and I like a line of Bergenheim-Goc-Matthias. I do not want Horcoff, no way. Hemsky maybe.

I love Goc. He was very quietly on pace for a 16 or so goal season and 40 points. He is amazing on the penalty kill. He is a great 3rd line center, and I like a line of Bergenheim-Goc-Matthias. I do not want Horcoff, no way. Hemsky maybe.
- Panthers88

Fair enough, do not blame you for not wanting Horcoff. I will add though, if you cut Horcoff's price tag in half, nobody would complain about him. He is a good third line centre (scored 7 goals in 31 games) on most teams.

I would definitely include Hemsky in replace of Horcoff for Goc.

Huberdaeu also plays centre, unless you guy were to trade him as some sort of package for defensive help I'll admit that a centre core 6 years down the road of huberdaeu-MacKinnon-bjukstad-trocek would be boss

Huberdaeu also plays centre, unless you guy were to trade him as some sort of package for defensive help I'll admit that a centre core 6 years down the road of huberdaeu-MacKinnon-bjukstad-trocek would be boss
- RedC21

Huberdeau is better suited for the wing right now.. but he does play good at center.

Fair enough, do not blame you for not wanting Horcoff. I will add though, if you cut Horcoff's price tag in half, nobody would complain about him. He is a good third line centre (scored 7 goals in 31 games) on most teams.

I would definitely include Hemsky in replace of Horcoff for Goc.
- ystoil

I'd prefer Hemsky, but don't really want him either. Horcoff will be bought out. I read that Florida is interested in Hemsky, so we shall see what the future brings.

Dan.. what in the blue hell?! This is the first time I actually never read your blog, that's how angry jut the title made me. Once I went outside and blew off some steam by killing a kitten, I came back and read it.

While Bjugstad could fetch a ton on the trade block, if we were going to make a trade to bring in any talent, it would NOT involve Bjugstad. Let me break something down for you:

1) Bjugstad came to the NHL right after the NCAA tournament. He had no prior pro experience, and played some damn good hockey. He got his kinks out quickly and started to show some solid growth towards the end of the season. He scored a damn goal. He was a better player at the end of the year than Shore was. He needs a season in San Antonio next year and will then be ready to take Goc's spot as the third line center.

2) If we're going to trade a prospect, I think it needs to be Howden.

3) Just.. no.

Remember that Mueller plays center, Huberdeau plays center, Kopecky plays center... we have tons of options and we can move Matthias to the wing where, in my opinion, he plays a better game.

Bjugstad has to be one of those untouchable players. Can you imagine him as our #2 center being MacKinnon in a few years? With Matthias as #3 and Shore as #4? No way on EARTH do you give up Bjugstad right now. Centers can be MacKinnon if we get him, Mueller if we resign him, Goc/Matthias, Shore. Matthias should be on the wing somewhere.
- Panthers88

Just read the article and don't see him really talking about trading Bjugstad at all...

Ummmm its pretty simple
MacKinnon
Bjugstad
Shore
Goc

Move Matthias to wing. Lots of players have made the conversion from C to wing

Ummmm its pretty simple
MacKinnon
Bjugstad
Shore
Goc

Move Matthias to wing. Lots of players have made the conversion from C to wing
- FLYERSROCK!

... this guy is also known as my post from earlier lol.

But doesn't Vanek have a NTC?
- Panthers88

Nope. We are free to move him wherever

Nope. We are free to move him wherever
- Cheeseballin

Then deal.

Panthers , will do good with either....JONES or McK.....

Panthers , will do good with either....JONES or McK.....
- Canuckfan2006

Nope. Not taking Jones

I'd prefer Hemsky, but don't really want him either. Horcoff will be bought out. I read that Florida is interested in Hemsky, so we shall see what the future brings.
- Panthers88

i don't see florida trading any young stars. i wouldn't, especially for hemsky if the position was reversed. i like to acquire goc though. he's high on my list for a 3c. both hemsky and goc has some injury history. panthers picking mckinnon will have a good depth at centre, esp if weiss resigns too. although i'd like to see edm snag howden or skille on top of goc too.

i don't see florida trading any young stars. i wouldn't, especially for hemsky if the position was reversed. i like to acquire goc though. he's high on my list for a 3c. both hemsky and goc has some injury history. panthers picking mckinnon will have a good depth at centre, esp if weiss resigns too. although i'd like to see edm snag howden or skille on top of goc too.
- deks1

Well Skille is RFA and Howden will be expensive.

Is there really any chance that Florida would move the pick?

I'm not deluding myself that it is an easy trade, but as a Flames fan I am curious. I also admittedly do not know a lot about Florida's situation.

If Huberdeau is going to be a center, and Bjugstad is as advertised and would be a 2nd line center, then to me drafting Mackinnon with the intent right away to move him to wing does not make the most sense.

What would the panthers be looking for in a trade. I assume that a team would have to "over pay", but I'm also asking seriously.

I'm not saying that this would be a trade, but maybe the basis for one that would need some tweaking. But what about 6th overall (Flames pick), 28th overall (Penguins pick), and Cammalleri at a reduced salary. While his cap hit is 6 million, the Flames can retain 3 million of that. Could argue that Cammi isn't worth 6 mill but I think he is a steal at 3 mill.


6th overall is projecting to still be very good. Looking to be somebody in the Nichushkin, Barkov, Monahan, Lindholm, Nurse, range.

I'd prefer to keep the 22nd overall (Blues pick), but it may take that instead of the Penguins pick. And while I wouldn't give up next year's first round pick, the 2nd round pick next year is movable. And to be honest I would expect the Flames to be a bottom team again next year, so their second round pick isn't terrible.

Would that be something of interest, is it close? Again I'm not trying to be delusional, but honestly wanting opinions. Would other players be needed (Hudler, Stempniak), a prospect (and that would not be Baertschi, and probably not Gaudreau).



Just wanting some honest opinions on the possibility there.

Is there really any chance that Florida would move the pick?

I'm not deluding myself that it is an easy trade, but as a Flames fan I am curious. I also admittedly do not know a lot about Florida's situation.

If Huberdeau is going to be a center, and Bjugstad is as advertised and would be a 2nd line center, then to me drafting Mackinnon with the intent right away to move him to wing does not make the most sense.

What would the panthers be looking for in a trade. I assume that a team would have to "over pay", but I'm also asking seriously.

I'm not saying that this would be a trade, but maybe the basis for one that would need some tweaking. But what about 6th overall (Flames pick), 28th overall (Penguins pick), and Cammalleri at a reduced salary. While his cap hit is 6 million, the Flames can retain 3 million of that. Could argue that Cammi isn't worth 6 mill but I think he is a steal at 3 mill.


6th overall is projecting to still be very good. Looking to be somebody in the Nichushkin, Barkov, Monahan, Lindholm, Nurse, range.

I'd prefer to keep the 22nd overall (Blues pick), but it may take that instead of the Penguins pick. And while I wouldn't give up next year's first round pick, the 2nd round pick next year is movable. And to be honest I would expect the Flames to be a bottom team again next year, so their second round pick isn't terrible.

Would that be something of interest, is it close? Again I'm not trying to be delusional, but honestly wanting opinions. Would other players be needed (Hudler, Stempniak), a prospect (and that would not be Baertschi, and probably not Gaudreau).



Just wanting some honest opinions on the possibility there.
- dal_johnson

First off... you're way too nice. This is Florida's thread, not the Oiler's thread. Relax, have a beer... we're all friends here.

If we draft MacKinnon, he will be playing center. Huberdeau is very good at the wing, and I think down the road you would be looking at MacKinnon, Bjugstad, Shore, Trochek as the center ice guys on this team.

However, it's been my theory all along that Dale wants to trade the pick. This is a very deep draft. I want to trade down and take Nich, but I don't think he will be there at six. Monahan would be. I think he will be a top line NHL center once he gets a little more explosive in his skates. As far as the other pick goes, either one is fine with me. I'd prefer 22 because I like Adam Erne or Fred Gauthier.

Cam is an enigma. Part me would like him, but part of me thinks something else should be involved. Any way Brodie could be involved???

I think Cam, #6, #22 is fair OR Cam, Brodie/Backlund, #6, #28.

Is there really any chance that Florida would move the pick?

I'm not deluding myself that it is an easy trade, but as a Flames fan I am curious. I also admittedly do not know a lot about Florida's situation.

If Huberdeau is going to be a center, and Bjugstad is as advertised and would be a 2nd line center, then to me drafting Mackinnon with the intent right away to move him to wing does not make the most sense.

What would the panthers be looking for in a trade. I assume that a team would have to "over pay", but I'm also asking seriously.

I'm not saying that this would be a trade, but maybe the basis for one that would need some tweaking. But what about 6th overall (Flames pick), 28th overall (Penguins pick), and Cammalleri at a reduced salary. While his cap hit is 6 million, the Flames can retain 3 million of that. Could argue that Cammi isn't worth 6 mill but I think he is a steal at 3 mill.


6th overall is projecting to still be very good. Looking to be somebody in the Nichushkin, Barkov, Monahan, Lindholm, Nurse, range.

I'd prefer to keep the 22nd overall (Blues pick), but it may take that instead of the Penguins pick. And while I wouldn't give up next year's first round pick, the 2nd round pick next year is movable. And to be honest I would expect the Flames to be a bottom team again next year, so their second round pick isn't terrible.

Would that be something of interest, is it close? Again I'm not trying to be delusional, but honestly wanting opinions. Would other players be needed (Hudler, Stempniak), a prospect (and that would not be Baertschi, and probably not Gaudreau).



Just wanting some honest opinions on the possibility there.
- dal_johnson

Well IMO I don't really think your offer would get it done. It's not bad though, but to a team like us getting more first rounders doesn't really help us. We have one of the best prospects systems in the league. What we need is to bring in help right now.

I like cammi but I really don't feel he would really make a big enough impact to make the deal happen. Because the reason I say that is say we get MacKinnon he is going to be on our team this coming season. And I really think he will make more of a impact.

So really IMO I don't think there is a deal to be made with the flames. At least with you not overpaying horribly and I don't see that happening.

I am not as big on Matthias. His puck possession numbers and game are not good. He is pure transition speed and thats about it. He had a really good stretch for a chunk of last season but than reverted back to the Matthias of old. When paired with Skille, it was Skile who handled the majority of the zone entries and puck possession to set Matthias up. If I were the Panthers I'd sign Matthias to a 2 year deal and play him at wing. Make him earn a longer term with consistent excellence.

Keep them all, players get injured.

Most centers can play wing.
Most wingers can't play center.
-Confucius

Who said trade Bjugstad? I didn't. It's simply San Antonio next year or on the big club. I didn't infer anything else.
- spiegs13

Ahhhh, okay, I thought you meant trade him too. And I thought you were insane. Every single other player there, short of Mackinnon obviously, should go before Bjugstad, if you're talking trade. Those are your two guys of the future, and it's pretty much better than anything you've had in the history of your franchise. Potentially anyway.

Mackinnon could be this draft's Toews, why on earth would any team that drafts him even consider moving him to the wing. He thinks and excutes the game very well in every situation.
- blacksheep1

It's scary the number of top players in this draft.

Myers + Vanek + 8th for Bjugstad + 2nd
- Cheeseballin

Sorry but.. that's a deal.
- Panthers88

You do know that when he said 2nd he means your 2nd overall pick and not a 2nd round pick, right?
Just making sure.

It would not surprise if Buffalo would make that deal.
I think they would.