Much hostility I sense.

Richard Cloutier: Oilers Fans Unite! Flames Fans Untie!
- Maxbone[/quote
how do u figure the flames and oilers are both in the middle of a rebuild... clagary just started the rebuild this year.

That group of 7 on the Flames is getting it done...the Oilers failed miserably to get anything done...therefore, it's leadership.

I've said all along that IT IS SHAWN HORCOFF THAT IS THE F------NG PROBLEM!!! Put your favourite player Iggy on this team instead of Horcoff and the Oilers are competing for the cup right now.

How do so many people miss this?

Exchange Dubnyk for Kipper and you've got a potential upset cup winner.

1. get a captain
2. get a goalie
3. kiss the cup
- JLO961

keep dreaming

keep dreaming
- derm10

I dreamt about boobies last night

I dreamt about boobies last night
- robin_steele264

better chance of seing boobies then seeing the oilers win a cup.

I dreamt about boobies last night
- robin_steele264

pictures or it didnt happen.

better chance of seing boobies then seeing the oilers win a cup.
- derm10

That's pretty obvious

That's pretty obvious
- robin_steele264

Master of the obvious.

pictures or it didnt happen.
- Colin Dambrauskas

I don't need to see pictures of his hard on

so Gagner is too small so your solution is to draft an 18 year old kid who's 1inch taller to replace him? good plan

Umm yeah, he was a pretty big part of it. The Oilers didn't just bulldoze their way to finals like the Kings did with their loaded roster. They played a different style each round, employed a different strategy for each opponent. That was not a stacked team by any means. I think anyone who discredits the outstanding work up to and including the 2006 Mac T has done wasn't paying attention. It was clear that he ran his course after that, most coaches do only have a shelf life of 5 or 6 years on a team,not to mention, he had the sh!ttiest of rosters to work with. He is no doubt the 2nd best coach in Oilers history, right behind Slats. Better than Muckler,Green,Low,Lowe and all the rest.
- Jeropotato

This. MacT coached a bunch of slugs to 8/9th place for years. This is part of the reason the Oilers are in the shape they are in. You do not improve when you draft in the middle year after year and you cannot attract top end UFA's. See Calgary Flames for more proof.

I'll stake every penny I ever make the flames will win a cup again before the Oilers ever do.
- daveydave

i will absolutely take that bet

I love this guy.
- systemtool

if you'd kept reading, you'd see I said I don't know why NYR would do it

god...
- sanfordnson

Allah

Re: ruining the Flames, what exactly do you base that off of?

More dreaming.......
- TandA4Flames

common sense

Can someone confirm if this guys is serious, intellectually handicap or just plain (frank)ing with me?

Whats with this "your" thing?
- systemtool

he's just an idiot

Allah
- nayefj

Sick burn. Kessel who has been top 10 in scoring two seasons in row.

Maybe he can trade Phaneuf for Stajan.
- systemtool

You're dumb.
- Maxbone

couldnt have said it better myself

- Lahey

She can pray to my Kaaba anytime.

Different coach, different style and system, plus its a young inexperienced team growing. Reminds me of the Sens and Habs actually. At this point last year, Toronto was 9th in the conference.

The Corsi stats are measured off shots mostly. Hardly a firm indicator. A quantity over quality, if you will.
- Gunslinger

They are 4 points out of 9th. A couple unlucky breaks and they would be on the outside looking in. Fact remains that they are outshot, outpossessed, out chanced virtually every game. If this were a full season where they had to play against the West and travel? It would likely be an entirely different situation.

Enjoy it now because if this is a team they think is good enough, then they will be disappointed next year.

Example: Look at Colorado a few years back. They made the playoffs, the team was young and exciting. The Goalie was standing on his head most nights. They got wins, made the playoffs. Then look at the last couple years since....

They are 4 points out of 9th. A couple unlucky breaks and they would be on the outside looking in. Fact remains that they are outshot, outpossessed, out chanced virtually every game. If this were a full season where they had to play against the West and travel? It would likely be an entirely different situation.

Enjoy it now because if this is a team they think is good enough, then they will be disappointed next year.

Example: Look at Colorado a few years back. They made the playoffs, the team was young and exciting. The Goalie was standing on his head most nights. They got wins, made the playoffs. Then look at the last couple years since....
- Iggysbff

They are also 4 points out of 2nd in the East, and 4 points out of being top 5 in the league. A couple of lucky breaks or shootouts wins and they would be even better. Facts are not that they are outplayed every night. Just outshot most nights, which means little to nothing. If this were a full season, all teams would have a lot more travel. Not just the Leafs. Every team.

This game has many rules, not just the ones you're playing by. Ill enjoy it now, and ill enjoy your hopes, prayers and wishes that they will disappoint next year.

Example: Look at St.Louis. They made the playoffs last year, young team and exciting. Solid goaltending most nights, stealing games. They got wins, made the playoffs. Then look at them this year.

That group of 7 on the Flames is getting it done...the Oilers failed miserably to get anything done...therefore, it's leadership.

I've said all along that IT IS SHAWN HORCOFF THAT IS THE F------NG PROBLEM!!! Put your favourite player Iggy on this team instead of Horcoff and the Oilers are competing for the cup right now.

How do so many people miss this?

Exchange Dubnyk for Kipper and you've got a potential upset cup winner.

1. get a captain
2. get a goalie
3. kiss the cup
- JLO961

Righhhhttt......

Hall will be Captain soon. Horc is not the problem. He's just over paid. And goalie is not the problem. This team cant score more than a goal a game. No goalie will help. Kipper has been poop for 95% of this year.

A couple key moves though is all that is needed. Not trading one of the kids. They are what is working on this team.

They are also 4 points out of 2nd in the East, and 4 points out of being top 5 in the league. A couple of lucky breaks or shootouts wins and they would be even better. Facts are not that they are outplayed every night. Just outshot most nights, which means little to nothing. If this were a full season, all teams would have a lot more travel. Not just the Leafs. Every team.

This game has many rules, not just the ones you're playing by. Ill enjoy it now, and ill enjoy your hopes, prayers and wishes that they will disappoint next year.

Example: Look at St.Louis. They made the playoffs last year, young team and exciting. Solid goaltending most nights, stealing games. They got wins, made the playoffs. Then look at them this year.
- systemtool

Yes lets look at them...They have been a MAJOR disappointment. Most people chose them to run away with the West. They had to go out and trade picks for help at the deadline just to make a push to get into the playoffs. And this team NEEDS the playoffs to survive financially. Now this summer they will find themselves up against the cap trying to sign their RFA's and fill a roster with low salary guys. Not exactly a model I would point to as being great.

Yes lets look at them...They have been a MAJOR disappointment. Most people chose them to run away with the West. They had to go out and trade picks for help at the deadline just to make a push to get into the playoffs. And this team NEEDS the playoffs to survive financially. Now this summer they will find themselves up against the cap trying to sign their RFA's and fill a roster with low salary guys. Not exactly a model I would point to as being great.
- Iggysbff

St.Louis took a step back, but are far from a major disappointment. Good try though.

As for your whining about cap this and cap that, Toronto has no cap issues with space to spare to improve. Whether they dominated or not, St.Louis remained a good team despite some growing pains that come with young teams, like Toronto, making that step to playoff contention and competitiveness.

Besides, St.Louis is just one example. In any event, every team is unique and they will all go through their own trials and tribulations. Toronto is a good team, not a great or elite team, and what happens next season is quess work, assumption and wishful thinking at best.