It all comes down to price. Every contending team will trade assets at the deadline to try to get better. I'm not saying give up the store with the Rangers, but they need to look for something akin to the Antropov deal a few years ago. Solid second tier scoring option for a second round pick type of deal. Or, if they sign this kid from Nebraska-Omaha, that may allow them to move a defensive prospect. And then you can always pick-up picks later, by trading spare parts (i.e., Boyle), if need be.
- Pete V

Yes but it seems backwards then by trading Gaborik. I'd advocate trade Gaborik for a young player not necessarly the best "win now" player. And if you then want to invest back into worrying about his year then trade a pick for a rental player to repalce Gaborik. But trading Gaborik for even older players doesn't make sense to me. Just seems backwards.

I am not saying he's a bust. I am saying we need to stop talking about his development so much. He is not 19 years old. If he can help the Rangers, he should be with the Rangers, not with the Whale. I can give a rat's ass about his development, when he is a 2009 draftee. Time to step-up and play with the big boys.

That is what I am saying. I think he can really help this team, and the time is now. Not next year, not in 2016. Now!
- Pete V

I think that Kreider going to Boston College was a mistake relative to honing his skills. The big difference between those 18 and 19 year-olds who step right in and contribute in the NHL is those guys either played at the highest level overseas or in Canadian Junior. NCAA hockey is getting better but how many players have come right out of college and contributed consistently in the NHL without some time in the AHL?

Thats my point. I feel like we are just applying band-aids. Need a Righty D man, get Boyle. Need Jam? Get Clowe. Lets get deeper, better, not for jsut the next 20 games. But to make our team actually a better club for the long haul.
- mrhattrick27

But these can be two trains of thought. A deadline acquisition could go along way to helping this club now while not compromising the future. Players that will make your club better now and in the future come with a price.

I think that Kreider going to Boston College was a mistake relative to honing his skills. The big difference between those 18 and 19 year-olds who step right in and contribute in the NHL is those guys either played at the highest level overseas or in Canadian Junior. NCAA hockey is getting better but how many players have come right out of college and contributed consistently in the NHL without some time in the AHL?
- gkmkiller

And then those players end up being 24-25 yrs old by that time.

I think that Kreider going to Boston College was a mistake relative to honing his skills. The big difference between those 18 and 19 year-olds who step right in and contribute in the NHL is those guys either played at the highest level overseas or in Canadian Junior. NCAA hockey is getting better but how many players have come right out of college and contributed consistently in the NHL without some time in the AHL?
- gkmkiller

You are right, Glen.

Canadian Junior Hockey is the closest thing to pro hockey. They play 65 + game a year, followed by full NHL style type playoff. JT Miller was simply not ready at the beginning of last year. He didn't look like an NHL player yet. He is where he is now, because he wanted to get to the league quicker, and he played in probably the best developmental league in the world.

And some college programs are better than others in gettign their players pro ready. We obviously have had some luck with Wisconsin, and I think Michigan and Red Berenson are pretty good at it as well.

Pete, you need to put a picture on you hockeybuzz
- jimbro83

I'll use one of my pictures from the cover of the many romance novels that I am on. Yeh, right!

remember the trade for Antropov?

there wasn't one rumour about him and the Rangers. Not one.

Makes me think seeing Ryan Clowe's name and the Rangers one billion times has no chance of actually happening.

You are right, Glen.

Canadian Junior Hockey is the closest thing to pro hockey. They play 65 + game a year, followed by full NHL style type playoff. JT Miller was simply not ready at the beginning of last year. He didn't look like an NHL player yet. He is where he is now, because he wanted to get to the league quicker, and he played in probably the best developmental league in the world.

And some college programs are better than others in gettign their players pro ready. We obviously have had some luck with Wisconsin, and I think Michigan and Red Berenson are pretty good at it as well.
- Pete V

It took Tony Amonte a little while to get it going and he took the exact same path...I think that is probably the best comparison

Yes but it seems backwards then by trading Gaborik. I'd advocate trade Gaborik for a young player not necessarly the best "win now" player. And if you then want to invest back into worrying about his year then trade a pick for a rental player to repalce Gaborik. But trading Gaborik for even older players doesn't make sense to me. Just seems backwards.
- mrhattrick27

I agree, which is why I also don't want to trade Gaborik for Boyle. I would be much happier acquiring clowe in a lower profile deal.

But these can be two trains of thought. A deadline acquisition could go along way to helping this club now while not compromising the future. Players that will make your club better now and in the future come with a price.
- climbdenali12

That's kinda my point. If I'm makign deals I want ful lvalue for the player. Trading Gabby, who will help a team now, for players to help you win now. Isn't going to happen without gettign 50 cents on the dollar. Meanwhile a team goign for a playoff run will sacrfice a young player to be better now. If we want a player to win now we need to go to a team that doesn't care about that right now and trade picks for a player. Trying to trade Gabby for better "win now" pieces jsut means you wont get full value IMO.

It took Tony Amonte a little while to get it going and he took the exact same path...I think that is probably the best comparison
- Blueshirts4ever

of course Chris Kreider can take the same path Steven Rice did.

Right now, he compares to him very muchly

I agree, which is why I also don't want to trade Gaborik for Boyle. I would be much happier acquiring clowe in a lower profile deal.
- climbdenali12

Exactly. Want Clowe? trade a pick. Think Gabby isn't worth the price tag? Get a young player ala Wayne Simmonds when he was with the Kings for Gabby. Starts off as a role player and then develops into a key guy.

of course Chris Kreider can take the same path Steven Rice did.

Right now, he compares to him very muchly
- jimbro83

They all can, we all know drafting is inexact, but I was just trying to make the point that not everybody develops exactly alike or in Steven Rice's case at all, or Lundmark, or Brendl et al. and we have seen a glimpse of a confident Chris Kreider, where art thou??

It took Tony Amonte a little while to get it going and he took the exact same path...I think that is probably the best comparison
- Blueshirts4ever

Tony Amonte played two years at BU, and then scored 30+ goals for the Rangers as a rookie. He was a solid NHL contributer in third full year after he was drafted.

I think a better comparison is actually Carl Hagelin, who played four full years at Michigan. The difference is that Hagelin was drafted in the 6th round as was a project, so it is almost acceptable that he took more time.

Exactly. Want Clowe? trade a pick. Think Gabby isn't worth the price tag? Get a young player ala Wayne Simmonds when he was with the Kings for Gabby. Starts off as a role player and then develops into a key guy.
- mrhattrick27

I would even be willing to deal a prospect. Most prospects are hit or miss in this league. Some never make it. Most end up as decent role players but are interchangeable. Few become elite.

New York Rangers ‏@NYRangers 2m
An eager Chris Kreider is first #NYR on the ice for morning skate

Tony Amonte played two years at BU, and then scored 30+ goals for the Rangers as a rookie. He was a solid NHL contributer in third full year after he was drafted.

I think a better comparison is actually Carl Hagelin, who played four full years at Michigan. The difference is that Hagelin was drafted in the 6th round as was a project, so it is almost acceptable that he took more time.
- Pete V

I forgot about the 30 goals...ok, bad comparison...actually was having a down year after back to back scoring years of 30+ before being traded...I don't remember did he get injured in 93-94, he didn't even reach 20 goals before the deadline and only scored one goal for Chicago...

New York Rangers ‏@NYRangers 2m
An eager Chris Kreider is first #NYR on the ice for morning skate


- jimbro83

Why the hell wasn't he eager two moths ago?

Why the hell wasn't he eager two moths ago?
- Blueshirts4ever

I think he was, I have actually always heard he was first on the ice last to leave guy

Jim Cerny ‏@JimCerny 27s
At #NYR morning skate Chris Kreider is taking line rushes with Brian Boyle and JT Miller

I think that Kreider going to Boston College was a mistake relative to honing his skills. The big difference between those 18 and 19 year-olds who step right in and contribute in the NHL is those guys either played at the highest level overseas or in Canadian Junior. NCAA hockey is getting better but how many players have come right out of college and contributed consistently in the NHL without some time in the AHL?
- gkmkiller

NCAA just doesn't play a lot of games, it doesn't prepare players for the grind of the NHL likes junior hockey does.

But they do get to practice a lot in college

Jim Cerny ‏@JimCerny 27s
At #NYR morning skate Chris Kreider is taking line rushes with Brian Boyle and JT Miller
- jimbro83

While I am o.k. with that line, wouldn't it be nice to see a center than can distribute the puck between Miller and Kreider? But, I am fine with playing Miller at center as well if you can upgrade the other wing.

While I am o.k. with that line, wouldn't it be nice to see a center than can distribute the puck between Miller and Kreider? But, I am fine with playing Miller at center as well if you can upgrade the other wing.
- Pete V

clowe

Dan Boyle write up:

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...-where-boyle-wants-to-be/

clowe
- climbdenali12

How about sticking Derek Roy between Kreider and Miller, and moving Pyatt to the fourth line. You would obviously then have a log jam on the fourth line, but I am sure the Rangers can find a move to cull the fourth line herd.