He's go no NMC/NTC and Preds ownership needs to move him. He'll go where he gets sent.
- Maxbone

See this is where your theory goes awry: I don't think Preds' ownership needs to move him. People might make it seem like they do but none of use are in their front office.

Back up what, you don't think weber is worth what Clout's is offering.
- Mystery

Back up your insults. Show why it I am wrong.

Present your point instead of acting like a little child throwing around insults and name calling instead of engaging in hockey discussion if you have a different opinion.

He's certainly not a B level prospect. He's the oilers best prospect now assuming Schultz and Yak have moved to the NHL.


Doesn't make this a good deal or good blog or Cloutier seem even close to sane.

But you are being disingenuous to say he's a mediocre prospect.
- robin_steele264

He's not the superstar prospect you guys seem to think he is. He wasn't a standout in the SEL last year (although that's not unusual for young players, you have to be top notch to excel in those leagues at 17, 18, 19), and in fact, spent half the year playing in the SEL junior league. Where, if you want to comment on his offensive abilities..... He didn't really produce very much there. Not even the go to guy on his team.

Leaf fans over priceing there players again
- hallwillcrushu

I dont think thats over pricing. I dont think hemsky has much trade value and i dont think either team would trade gardiner/rielly for klefbom, which usually means they are about equal. Obviously the proposed leaf deal wouldnt get it done, its just they were saying someone could easily beat the deal clouts was proposing.

He's certainly not a B level prospect. He's the oilers best prospect now assuming Schultz and Yak have moved to the NHL.


Doesn't make this a good deal or good blog or Cloutier seem even close to sane.

But you are being disingenuous to say he's a mediocre prospect.
- robin_steele264

Don't get me wrong, Klefbom is a good prospect, but saying he is essetially the 3rd-4th best defenceman prospect in the world is a FAR stretch, and to say Gardiner isn't close to him is laughable.

Good comeback.
- Maxbone

Well, it's true. Hemsky may be a good player, but he's never healthy. No one is going to take on a $5M cap hit for a player that might not play 40 games. That's the kind of player you have to package in an asset to take. He's Matthew Lombardi, but a bit better.

The only chance the Oilers would ever have in getting some sort of a return for him would be to hope and pray he's healthy and playing well at next year's trade deadline, and someone might take a chance, hoping he can stay healthy for the final 20 games of the season, and the playoffs.

See this is where your theory goes awry: I don't think Preds' ownership needs to move him. People might make it seem like they do but none of use are in their front office.
- NickTheKid87

In case you missed it, the lockout was a financial disaster to the league, especially to the poorer owners in soft markets. Nashville, who won't see the playoffs this season unless Trotz works another miracle, is going to be in worse shape financially this summer than they were last. The cap is too high for them; the floor is not low enough. Do people not understand that the league itself has been keeping franchises like Phoenix and Nashville alive for the last few years? Nashville is so close to being relocated it isn't funny.

Sounds about right.
- robin_steele264

Sure as hell not in the top 3 D prospects in the world. Not remotely close. I doubt top 10. And no GM in his right mind would take Klefbom over Gardiner, a guy who has proven himself in the NHL, put up pretty solid points, while still being pretty defensively responsible, even getting quite a bit of PK time.

Not. A chance. In hell.

Don't get me wrong, Klefbom is a good prospect, but saying he is essetially the 3rd-4th best defenceman prospect in the world is a FAR stretch, and to say Gardiner isn't close to him is laughable.
- BoBBeR56

But he isn't. I would consider Klefbom a better defensive prospect than Justin Schultz, let's just put it that way...Huge body; more complete game. Schultz will be an offensive force but I question his defensive play. The only question around Klefbom is his health.

And stacked up against what Philly would have paid, klefbom may be the only asset you're offering that would be more valuable than one of Philly's 1st rounders. Hemsky? No. The other two firsts from Edmonton would most likely be less valuable as well once edmontons blueline is loaded up with Shea weber.

That was before Nashville paid weber out 25 million dollars as well.

The offer is just poor. Plain and simple. Taylor hall, klefbom, paarjavi, and the two firsts would start a conversation.
- joel878

I can't believe I am going to support Cloutier on this but.

#1 He has said many time that his blogs are primarily for entertainment purposes.

#2 He stated the deal he offered probably wouldn't get it done.

#3 If there is a shred of truth to this, there is no doubt Clouts offer is better than anything previously offered to the Preds as far as we know.

#4 Hemsky is grossly underestimated. He is worth much much more than the average 1st round pick. Will not know if he can return to his previous greatness as one of the top RW in the league until end of this season.

#5 Klefbom is all hype right now but is widely considered to have true top pairing potential.

#6 Oilers picks should still be better than Philly picks even with Weber for the next 2 years.

#7 I am very curious how well Weber will do without Suter. They both have traditionaly done very poorly when not paired together. If his elite success is only based on chemistry I would never trade Taylor Hall for him. As it is, I think Yak would be the only player out of the "super kids" that would be available.

It is going to take one of the big guys (Eberle, Hall, RNH, Yak) to get that deal started.

Weber is the best all around d-man in the league. He won't come cheap and rightfully so.

Back up your insults. Show why it I am wrong.

Present your point instead of acting like a little child throwing around insults and name calling instead of engaging in hockey discussion if you have a different opinion.
- yaktalksback

Because a top3 defenceman in the NHL is worth more in trade than an injury prone, $5mil has been, 2xlate 1st round picks, and a prospect.
You, a 12yr old and Cloutier are the only 3 people in this thread who believe it is fair...the rest of the people (myself included) are laughing at the offer...

And I'm telling you...from the man himself. Shea does not want to be in Edmonton. Likes it where he is.
- Iggysbff

Lol you are still pretending that you hang out with Webber enough to pick his brain on being traded to of all places Edmonton, Alberta? I am sure that your question is the first thing that comes to mind when you talk with an NHL star player. I don't really believe Webber would even answer a question that personal. I would like to think that he would not want talk bad about other teams and cities. Not really good for his public image. Wow, you and him must be besties to get that intimate of information from him. Any childhood photos to share? Or were their not cameras back then? As for he likes it in Nashville... If he likes er LOVES it so much in SMASHville (Gay nickname BTW) why did he sign that huge contract that almost guaranteed he would be in Philly for the next decade or so, a contract that most people (himself included) were shocked that Nashville matched then? Check out what your friend's agent had to say in the week leading up to Nashville matching Phillies contract offer. It contradicts your whole post. As well what Shea himself had to say.

Back up your insults. Show why it I am wrong.

Present your point instead of acting like a little child throwing around insults and name calling instead of engaging in hockey discussion if you have a different opinion.
- yaktalksback

I don't need to add to facts , your comment was dumb as hell

But he isn't. I would consider Klefbom a better defensive prospect than Justin Schultz, let's just put it that way...Huge body; more complete game. Schultz will be an offensive force but I question his defensive play. The only question around Klefbom is his health.
- Maxbone

When you say more complete game, I assume you mean he has good offensive skills, and can move the puck, etc.

How do you justify his inability to put up points in the Swedish junior leagues?

Richard Cloutier: Predicting The Biggest Oilers Trade Since Gretzky
- Maxbone

But he isn't. I would consider Klefbom a better defensive prospect than Justin Schultz, let's just put it that way...Huge body; more complete game. Schultz will be an offensive force but I question his defensive play. The only question around Klefbom is his health.
- Maxbone

And his offence...3goals, 4assists in 67 games in the SEL isn't exactly something to write home about.
So he's like Adam Foote? Ken Daneyko?

In case you missed it, the lockout was a financial disaster to the league, especially to the poorer owners in soft markets. Nashville, who won't see the playoffs this season unless Trotz works another miracle, is going to be in worse shape financially this summer than they were last. The cap is too high for them; the floor is not low enough. Do people not understand that the league itself has been keeping franchises like Phoenix and Nashville alive for the last few years? Nashville is so close to being relocated it isn't funny.
- Maxbone

You really think a team with Shea Weber, Pekka Rinne plus a plethora of good two-way forwards will have to pull off a miracle to get into the playoffs? I'd be surprised if Nashville misses the playoffs.

Regardless, if the NEED to trade Weber they're going to NEED to get more than a low-value vet, a good dman prospect + 2 picks. You live in a dream world where you can have Hall, Yakupov, RNH & Eberle in your top 6 plus Schultz and Weber on the blueline. That won't happen. Mark my words.

If you were a Predators fan, would you be okay with this deal?
- NickTheKid87

I am a predators fan ad the answer is Oh Hell No

When you say more complete game, I assume you mean he has good offensive skills, and can move the puck, etc.

How do you justify his inability to put up points in the Swedish junior leagues?
- prock

Well, for one thing, they only give out one assist on goals in the SEL. Defensemen usually get assists, not goals. Often, they get 2nd assists.

Secondly, Klefbom was only being used in a top pairing role this season, and he injured his shoulder shortly into the season. Even so, his coach was going crazy over him; said he was the MVP of the SEL.

I'm here to entertain.
- Maxbone

You jumped the shark today.

I am a predators fan ad the answer is Oh Hell No
- PredsVold82

What would you want from the Oilers for Weber? I assume one of Yaks, Ebs, Nuge or Hall with Klefbom and a 1st...

so... they can afford to pay Weber's $55million but they can't afford to pay for a new arena....?

Why trade Klefbom for Weber?

Klefbom is better than Weber

Why do you think so highly of Klefbom..? I could think of many d prospects I'd rather have. It's crazy. Hamilton, Truba Rielly Gormley Runblad, Murray, Brendan Smith, Ceci, Lindholm, Brodin, Dumba and Reinhardt both have more potential, Oulette, Schultz, Finn, Poulitot looks to be very good. Seth Jones from this years draft also Ryan Pulock is a great dman in this draft. I'd rather have all those prospects pver klefbom. He's a good prospect with potential but wow. Everyone knows oilers are going to be very good very soon but you don't need to overrate all your prospects