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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:09 PM ET
Indeed. Perhaps the Oilers pick Jones with their next 1st overall selection.
- robin_steele264





Perhaps.

Or perhaps Pittsburgh.... well, more likely Phoenix now, picks him.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:20 PM ET


It hits noon, and suddenly all postings stops.

The only conclusion I can make is that I'm the only one working through my lunch hour, and the rest have left their offices.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:22 PM ET
It hits noon, and suddenly all postings stops.

The only conclusion I can make is that I'm the only one working through my lunch hour, and the rest have left their offices.

- prock



I'm just sitting here.


Got hired full time today with imperial oil. Career position.


I really just wanna go get drunk now.


Leafsfan9329
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Largo, FL
Joined: 07.28.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:22 PM ET
Komisarek would be a great 6th defenseman, Bozak would be a great 3rd line center, Reimer would be a great backup... you guys in Toronto notice any trends with your hockey team?
- Scooby_Doo



They have a setup like the Miami Dolphins do at WR, TE and Offensive Line?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:24 PM ET
I'm just sitting here.


Got hired full time today with imperial oil. Career position.


I really just wanna go get drunk now.

- robin_steele264



that's all I ever want.
13LEAFS01
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: toronto, ON
Joined: 06.01.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:28 PM ET
D was hardly the biggest position of need as it is, so yes, I think he would have.
- prock


Damn Skippy we would have. The more i see Murray and Reilly play the more its clear that Reilly is the better D-Man.

Gardiner, Schultz, Reilly, Percy, and Finn would be too much. Scary good future d-core.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 4 @ 12:31 PM ET
I'm just sitting here.


Got hired full time today with imperial oil. Career position.


I really just wanna go get drunk now.

- robin_steele264

Congrats.

I'm lying on the floor of the bathroom right now, enjoying a stomach flu with my two girls.

On the plus side, I had a little coaching session this morning with the 7 year old about what to do when you need to puke out both ends at once (I'd rather clean your barf off the floor than your poop, sweetie).

I didn't think we'd have that conversation for a while. My girl is ready to go to university!
Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:32 PM ET
you can include me in this group

all luongo does for this team is take us out of the top five pick range in a good draft... maybe first round.. but i still doubt it

- Dozzer


Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league and would help re-ignite the team thus leading them to consecutive playoff appearances.

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 4 @ 12:34 PM ET
Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league and would help re-ignite the team thus leading them to consecutive playoff appearances.


- Colin Dambrauskas

Scooby - is that you?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 4 @ 12:35 PM ET
Damn Skippy we would have. The more i see Murray and Reilly play the more its clear that Reilly is the better D-Man.

Gardiner, Schultz, Reilly, Percy, and Finn would be too much. Scary good future d-core.

- 13LEAFS01



I'm not big on Percy. I think more than likely he tops out as a reliable 2nd pairing two way guy. Gunnarson-lite, if you may. That said, he's also been struggling with concussion issues the last year, so maybe I'm just not seeing what his true potential is.

Finn, I'm not sure what to think of this guy. He's one hell of a talented Dman. To put up near a point per game so far this year, while playing with mono, and be described by his coach as "not an offensive guy.... a guy you want to put out in every situation, as much as you can", is pretty incredible. I'm not sure why, but I'm just unsure about labelling him a top D prospect. I still think of him as B list. Or B+ list anyway. I think the next year will answer whether he's A list or not.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:37 PM ET
Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league and would help re-ignite the team thus leading them to consecutive playoff appearances.


- Colin Dambrauskas


sure as hell worked for florida

when he was in his actual prime

robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:39 PM ET
Congrats.

I'm lying on the floor of the bathroom right now, enjoying a stomach flu with my two girls.

On the plus side, I had a little coaching session this morning with the 7 year old about what to do when you need to puke out both ends at once (I'd rather clean your barf off the floor than your poop, sweetie).

I didn't think we'd have that conversation for a while. My girl is ready to go to university!

- Atomic Wedgie


With enough practice and poise you can contain both simultaneously.

All part of the human experience.

Good luck




Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:40 PM ET
Scooby - is that you?
- Atomic Wedgie


Nope, just a nameless wonder!
Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:41 PM ET
sure as hell worked for florida

when he was in his actual prime


- Dozzer


Florida didnt have the best bottom 2 lines in the league though
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Dec 4 @ 12:41 PM ET
Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league and would help re-ignite the team thus leading them to consecutive playoff appearances.


- Colin Dambrauskas

who are you?
shill-17
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Richmond Hill, ON
Joined: 11.09.2011

Dec 4 @ 12:43 PM ET
Part of me wants Luongo and part of me wants to see what James Riemer can do. Goaltending is 90 % mental, according to Ken Dryden, who wrote the book on it, literally, and I like Riemer's make up. Seems like he can be something special.

That being said, Luongo is possibly the one of the most consistant goalies of the last ten years, is only 33 and his contract actually is not nearly as bad as it seems for these reasons:
-The cap is likeley to go up every year.
- The Leafs can always waive him or put him in the minors if he ever becomes terrible or if his contract is preventing the aquisition of a new player.
-He's 33 and realistically should have 5 years left of being the goalie he has always been.
- People who say he's lost a step, or that he is slower going side to side, are full of it because the difference between star goalie lateral quickness and regular goalie lateral quickness are imperceptable to the eye during play and over blown during slowmotion instant replay. This is people seeing what they want to see. Its called confirmation bias, its a real thing, look it up.
- He can't win the big game. People like to give human reason to things that are blind luck. He lost 2 or 3 games to LA, by one goal, without their best player. He lost a game seven cup final in which his entire team played terribly. People just blame the goalie way more than is empirically possible.
-Its almost a no risk move.

After all that, the Leafs should probably just get him. I would not, however, under any circumstances trade Nazem Kadri. The guy is like holding a lottery ticket. He might not be anything more than a second liner or an AHL star, but he could also become an allstar, and considering the Leafs situation, young talent base, there is just no reason to include him in the deal.

I just cannot believe that if Toronto is willing to eat that contract that they couldnt get a deal done for some combo of Colbourne, Bozak, Percy, Blacker, second rounders, Finn, Biggs or Frattin. And of those two, I think you hate to lose Kadri the most and Bozak second most.

Bozak is a Jose Bautista. A late bloomer, this kid is going to suprise a lot of people. I mean it.

- Jimmy_Tea



I would not put Frattin into that mix, he showed last year that he belongs in the NHL although he wasn't scoring he was a continual impact player. Plus with the way he is lighting things up in the AHL now it would be moronic to move him. I could see the deal being something along the lines of Bozak, Franson, Colbourne (and/or Percy/Blacker) plus a second round pick. I am a big fan of Franson but dont see his place on this team any more. With this season lost to the CBA the leafs have the best statistical chance of gaining first over all in this years draft, according to the lottery conditions of the last lockout, giving us our star franchise centre in Mckinnon. Who is very possible to make the jump straight to the NHL, or worst case scenario one extra year in junior.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Dec 4 @ 12:43 PM ET
I'm not big on Percy. I think more than likely he tops out as a reliable 2nd pairing two way guy. Gunnarson-lite, if you may. That said, he's also been struggling with concussion issues the last year, so maybe I'm just not seeing what his true potential is.

Finn, I'm not sure what to think of this guy. He's one hell of a talented Dman. To put up near a point per game so far this year, while playing with mono, and be described by his coach as "not an offensive guy.... a guy you want to put out in every situation, as much as you can", is pretty incredible. I'm not sure why, but I'm just unsure about labelling him a top D prospect. I still think of him as B list. Or B+ list anyway. I think the next year will answer whether he's A list or not.

- prock




Agreed
Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:45 PM ET
who are you?
- LeftCoaster


I have no name
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:46 PM ET
Florida didnt have the best bottom 2 lines in the league though
- Colin Dambrauskas


neither do the leafs
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:48 PM ET
after some consideration i decided that this doesnt cross the line

still funny as hell tho

Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Dec 4 @ 12:49 PM ET
after some consideration i decided that this doesnt cross the line

still funny as hell tho


- Dozzer


LeafMan
Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven
Joined: 05.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 1:05 PM ET
after some consideration i decided that this doesnt cross the line

still funny as hell tho

- Dozzer

Saw it on FB, still chuckling, haha
Jimmy_Tea
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: barrie
Joined: 11.02.2012

Dec 4 @ 1:06 PM ET

Burke needs to pick a direction. If he's bringing in Luongo then he'd better have a fail-safe plan to get that #1 centre asap. If he's going to hope that Colborne, Kadri, etc... are going to fill that spot ....then take a pass on Luongo.

- The Law



This is the problem with Leafs fans. The idea that the Leafs need to "pick a direction" and "get that number one centre"

First of all, they picked a direction 4 years ago: its called build around 2 young superstars, Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf and add young controllable pieces until you have a perennial contender.

Burke has proven he is not going to sell out to the morons who think he needs to save his own job just by making the playoffs. However, the point is moot because the Leafs are going to make the playoffs this year, even with no new roster additions. The reason is a solid D, solid 3/4 line depth, 2 scoring lines and Riemer.


I don't buy the Luongo trade for the simple reason that Bozak is our best centre. Unless theres a contingency plan, I don't see it happening.

Frattin/Colbourne and Finn/Percy probably gets it done and is a better trade.

I will never support the trading of Kadri.

Also so sick of hearing about the number one centre. Lupul and Kessel woudnt have gotten more points last year even with a number one centre. Now they will do even better because the second line of Grabbo, JVR and Kadri will be a much larger threat than in years past. 2 solid lines = success., it doesnt matter what position the players play. Sure, an allstar centre would be nice, but the idea that success can't be had without that is ridiculous. Bozak fills the roll nicely.

Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Dec 4 @ 1:09 PM ET
Congrats.

I'm lying on the floor of the bathroom right now, enjoying a stomach flu with my two girls.

On the plus side, I had a little coaching session this morning with the 7 year old about what to do when you need to puke out both ends at once (I'd rather clean your barf off the floor than your poop, sweetie).

I didn't think we'd have that conversation for a while. My girl is ready to go to university!

- Atomic Wedgie

That sucks man...I hope you have several washrooms.
All the best to the young ones....I hate it when they get sick.
LeafMan
Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven
Joined: 05.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 1:11 PM ET
This is the problem with Leafs fans. The idea that the Leafs need to "pick a direction" and "get that number one centre"

First of all, they picked a direction 4 years ago: its called build around 2 young superstars, Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf and add young controllable pieces until you have a perennial contender.

Burke has proven he is not going to sell out to the morons who think he needs to save his own job just by making the playoffs. However, the point is moot because the Leafs are going to make the playoffs this year, even with no new roster additions. The reason is a solid D, solid 3/4 line depth, 2 scoring lines and Riemer.


I don't buy the Luongo trade for the simple reason that Bozak is our best centre. Unless theres a contingency plan, I don't see it happening.

Frattin/Colbourne and Finn/Percy probably gets it done and is a better trade.

I will never support the trading of Kadri.

Also so sick of hearing about the number one centre. Lupul and Kessel woudnt have gotten more points last year even with a number one centre. Now they will do even better because the second line of Grabbo, JVR and Kadri will be a much larger threat than in years past. 2 solid lines = success., it doesnt matter what position the players play. Sure, an allstar centre would be nice, but the idea that success can't be had without that is ridiculous. Bozak fills the roll nicely.

- Jimmy_Tea

Frattin, Finn and Percy should not be given up for a vet goalie, all we will be doing is repeating the past failures, haven't we learned the lesson by now?
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