...that would be the Leaf way...might as well wait till he's completely useless
- Barx

Owen Nolan? or did he score 5 goals?

Owen Nolan? or did he score 5 goals?
- big_dion

26 goals?

26 goals?
- prock

yeah spread out - i guess he did better than i remember.

maybe just cause he was poop the 2 years after, but anyhow..

i was trying to give another example of the "leaf way".

yeah spread out - i guess he did better than i remember.

maybe just cause he was poop the 2 years after, but anyhow..

i was trying to give another example of the "leaf way".
- big_dion

phil housley was a beast for the leafs tho.....

phil housley was a beast for the leafs tho.....
- Barx

hahah oh yeah, real all star material.

Keep him the hell out of Toronto! Unless your sending us a first rounder back, with him, the trade should be Lombardi and Komiserk.

Keep him the hell out of Toronto! Unless your sending us a first rounder back, with him, the trade should be Lombardi and Komiserk.
- PrinceLH

I agree whole heartedly.

Luongo is not wanted, or needed in TO.

i say let him stay in Van and let them suck it.

they will be pissed they still have Luongo, thats for sure.

yeah spread out - i guess he did better than i remember.

maybe just cause he was poop the 2 years after, but anyhow..

i was trying to give another example of the "leaf way".
- big_dion

under 80 games. 14 games one year, 64 the next. Along with 110 PIMs.

Like many other things Leafs, it wasn't a bad move, just turned out bad. Owen Nolan was just 30 when they traded for him, and played over 70 games all but a couple of the preceding 7 or 8 seasons. And over 60 EVERY season. It's not like they picked up some guy that habitually played 20 games a year.

And a winger that could pot 60 points over a full season, along with beating the hell out of the opposition night in night out, is a guy you trade for, when you’re contending for a cup. At the time, he was still very much a Lucic type guy. He caught a rut in the ice, and that was it. For his career, for the most part.

You can look back over those years and see a lot of traded draft picks for guys that didn’t work out. But those trades made perfect sense over those years, because the Leafs were contenders. That’s what you do, when you’re gunning for a cup. Trades for guys like Owen Nolan, and Brian Leetch, may look bad in hindsight, but given the chance, in that situation, I would personally do it again every time.

It’s the trades of draft picks after the lockout, when they were nowhere near contenders, that you should be criticizing. Raycroft for Rask, Kessel for draft picks, etc, etc, etc. Those are the ones you shake your head at.

And, I guess this is how it went this way in the first place, exactly why the Leafs shouldn't trade away a single young player with potential for Luongo.

Keep him the hell out of Toronto! Unless your sending us a first rounder back, with him, the trade should be Lombardi and Komiserk.
- PrinceLH

btw: i can tell you are of an older generation leaf fan, and i quite often see your posts on the first page of each article.

i dig your style and knowledge/opinion.

under 80 games. 14 games one year, 64 the next. Along with 110 PIMs.

Like many other things Leafs, it wasn't a bad move, just turned out bad. Owen Nolan was just 30 when they traded for him, and played over 70 games all but a couple of the preceding 7 or 8 seasons. And over 60 EVERY season. It's not like they picked up some guy that habitually played 20 games a year.

And a winger that could pot 60 points over a full season, along with beating the hell out of the opposition night in night out, is a guy you trade for, when you’re contending for a cup. At the time, he was still very much a Lucic type guy. He caught a rut in the ice, and that was it. For his career, for the most part.

You can look back over those years and see a lot of traded draft picks for guys that didn’t work out. But those trades made perfect sense over those years, because the Leafs were contenders. That’s what you do, when you’re gunning for a cup. Trades for guys like Owen Nolan, and Brian Leetch, may look bad in hindsight, but given the chance, in that situation, I would personally do it again every time.

It’s the trades of draft picks after the lockout, when they were nowhere near contenders, that you should be criticizing. Raycroft for Rask, Kessel for draft picks, etc, etc, etc. Those are the ones you shake your head at.

And, I guess this is how it went this way in the first place, exactly why the Leafs shouldn't trade away a single young player with potential for Luongo.
- prock

for sure.

I still say the Kessel trade was a great trade, BUT, at the wrong time.

the skill he brings at that age is rare, very rare.

problem was, the rest of the team was HORRIBLE at the time...if leafs did a kessel like trade back in the early 2000's or earlier - Sundin would have had him scoring 40+ a season with ease.

anyhow, i like kessel, i hope he stays and i hope we continue to build this team up. personally i like the direction of the team and i dont see how we couldnt resign burke.

avoid the racial slurs boys

avoid the racial slurs boys
- Dozzer

Screw you wafer!

Screw you wafer!
- AdamFrench

call me whatever you want

i'm everyman

btw: i can tell you are of an older generation leaf fan, and i quite often see your posts on the first page of each article.

i dig your style and knowledge/opinion.
- big_dion

Thanks.......yeah, older I guess. I can remember as a 9 year old, seeing the Leafs hoist the Cup in glorious black and white. I can also remember the Ballard years and the dismemberment of the Sittler era team. I can remember the 80's and seeing the Leafs play sub 500 for almost the whole decade. I remember the 90's and the promise of the Gilmour/Clark era and always being one good forward away from the finals. I remember the 2000's and remember seeing the Leafs always a winger away from competing for the Cup. Then the last lockout and the JFJ debacle, just so Taninmonkey and his crew of socialist teachers could suck all of the cash out of the Leafs Nation. So Luongo? Piss on him, I'd rather tank one more year and have the number 1 centre and elite player that this team has missed for 30 years. Luongo get's us the 10th pick or worse!

call me whatever you want

i'm everyman
- Dozzer

Transexual?

for sure.

I still say the Kessel trade was a great trade, BUT, at the wrong time.

the skill he brings at that age is rare, very rare.

problem was, the rest of the team was HORRIBLE at the time...if leafs did a kessel like trade back in the early 2000's or earlier - Sundin would have had him scoring 40+ a season with ease.

anyhow, i like kessel, i hope he stays and i hope we continue to build this team up. personally i like the direction of the team and i dont see how we couldnt resign burke.
- big_dion

Yep, I’ve said that since BEFORE day one, it’s a bad trade, because it makes it too difficult to acquire the rest of the players to make a contending squad. 2 firsts and a second are a pretty good price to pay for Kessel, even at the time, assuming you’ve got a team that will at least be borderline playoffs. I’d give up two mid first rounders for Kessel any day of the week. I mean, looking at the 15th overall, I’d give up Derek Forbert and JT Miller for Kessel easily. I’d even give up a couple of top ten draft picks, had it been a couple of years later, and the Leafs already had Seguin and Hamilton in the system. And in fact, had they made the playoffs instead of giving up Tyler Seguin, it still begs the question, where would they get a couple more top young players to play with him, and improve past a borderline playoff team?

Transexual?
- The Law

ok.. maybe not EVERYman

call me whatever you want

i'm everyman
- Dozzer

Frenchie's dad ?

- burn

I know, right.

It just felt so good to type

I agree whole heartedly.

Luongo is not wanted, or needed in TO.

i say let him stay in Van and let them suck it.

they will be pissed they still have Luongo, thats for sure.
- big_dion

I'm going to slightly disagree. He's better than what they have currently and would improve the g'tending.

For me it comes down to 2 things ...
1. The new CBA - what happens to those retirement years
2. Price - if he comes cheap then I could get behind it.

At this point though I'd prefer hanging on 'til next summer when their are a few other options.

Frenchie's dad ?
- .HOHO.

he's got my....

elbows?

ok.. maybe not EVERYman
- Dozzer

This topic makes me wonder where Weirdoh is?

I know, right.

It just felt so good to type
- Fosco

You are a terrific fiction writer.

I'm going to slightly disagree. He's better than what they have currently and would improve the g'tending.

For me it comes down to 2 things ...
1. The new CBA - what happens to those retirement years
2. Price - if he comes cheap then I could get behind it.

At this point though I'd prefer hanging on 'til next summer when their are a few other options.
- The Law

At this point, it’s probably about 40 games. I’d rather let Reimer take another stab at it, and hope his injury issues are behind him.

I mean, look at last year, anything can happen over a 40 game span. If there is a season, why not just let it ride and hope? What’s the worst that can happen? They fail a half season and get another top draft pick? I’m good with that too….

Plus, Luongo will be what, 34 by the time NEXT season starts? If there is no season this year, are you really on board with trading for a goalie that’s 34, an age that a good portion of players retire at?

At this point, it’s probably about 40 games. I’d rather let Reimer take another stab at it, and hope his injury issues are behind him.

I mean, look at last year, anything can happen over a 40 game span. If there is a season, why not just let it ride and hope? What’s the worst that can happen? They fail a half season and get another top draft pick? I’m good with that too….

Plus, Luongo will be what, 34 by the time NEXT season starts? If there is no season this year, are you really on board with trading for a goalie that’s 34, an age that a good portion of players retire at?
- prock

I agree. If Luongo came to the Leafs and, if he starts letting in the soft goals like he did in Vancouver, it will get ugly very quickly.