No, just the stupid ones. People who don't drool know that our defense is not at all physical and that with the trade of Luke Schenn he might be, dare I say it, an integral part of the team. Also, due to Leafs fans pentiant for mobbing up on a guy, it might suprise casual observers to know that he has never been as bad as he's made out to be. Also, compared to other sixth NHL defensemen, he is a real upgrade. His contract is his only problem and since its not precluding management from upgrading, its not a real problem.
- Jimmy_Tea

Komisarek would be a great 6th defenseman, Bozak would be a great 3rd line center, Reimer would be a great backup... you guys in Toronto notice any trends with your hockey team?
- Scooby_Doo

Yep. We're trying to make a blockbuster movie to go along with the Stanley Cup we win hopefully sooner than later. "Maple Leafs pull off a miracle by winning the Stanley Cup with AHL players led by the one and only true NHL Player and awesome captain Phil Kessel!"

Leaf fans know our current team too well. We obsess about every little detail. We have the best bottom 2 lines in the league! Beat that.

I don't understand.. Yeah Lou has a bad contract.. But he's still one of the best in the league. He was one win away from a cup, in a city where the fans treated him like crap. It's worth it. At least in my point of view.
- Deadmau55

problem is Supply/Demand. So who is in Demand for an elite level goalie? A lot of teams which means he should easily get a massive return that includes pieces like Gardiner but when you take into consideration the NMC and the massive cash contract (the cap hit is nothing in a 70M cap it is the 6.7M in cash per year that would kill lower market teams) the number of teams that could get him go from 15+ down to 3 (ish).

Tampa would want to send Lecavalier the other way and Vancouver wont have that so their out. Florida would want him but considering how well they did without him and considering that Markstrom is close to ready Florida will not trade for a guy that will be stuck with them for 5-10 years.

Because of that Toronto is the only team that can take on his contract, now obviously Vancouver would rather keep Luongo than accept a deal of Bozak, Lombardi, & a small piece like K. Ryan but that being said Vancouver has no leverage to get a guy like Gardiner or Kadri. Zero chance of that.

I think the best Vancouver can do is this:

Luongo

for:

Bozak
Connolly/Lombardi/Komisarek
Holzer/Blacker
Rynass/Owuya
conditional pick (1st if 21st-30th overall, 2nd if not)

I highly doubt that Burke pays more than that, in fact if Toronto is the only team shopping for Luongo then the cost is gonna be lower. It is all about Supply/Demand, period.

I think the fair value for Luongo would be a sacrifice to the hockey gods in order for the season to start next week.


Final offer.

I think the fair value for Luongo would be a sacrifice to the hockey gods in order for the season to start next week.


Final offer.
- Colin Dambrauskas

THIS

problem is Supply/Demand. So who is in Demand for an elite level goalie? A lot of teams which means he should easily get a massive return that includes pieces like Gardiner but when you take into consideration the NMC and the massive cash contract (the cap hit is nothing in a 70M cap it is the 6.7M in cash per year that would kill lower market teams) the number of teams that could get him go from 15+ down to 3 (ish).

Tampa would want to send Lecavalier the other way and Vancouver wont have that so their out. Florida would want him but considering how well they did without him and considering that Markstrom is close to ready Florida will not trade for a guy that will be stuck with them for 5-10 years.

Because of that Toronto is the only team that can take on his contract, now obviously Vancouver would rather keep Luongo than accept a deal of Bozak, Lombardi, & a small piece like K. Ryan but that being said Vancouver has no leverage to get a guy like Gardiner or Kadri. Zero chance of that.

I think the best Vancouver can do is this:

Luongo

for:

Bozak
Connolly/Lombardi/Komisarek
Holzer/Blacker
Rynass/Owuya
conditional pick (1st if 21st-30th overall, 2nd if not)

I highly doubt that Burke pays more than that, in fact if Toronto is the only team shopping for Luongo then the cost is gonna be lower. It is all about Supply/Demand, period.
- Steven_Dean

You're correct. I don't think the Leafs are giving up any more than Bozak, Komisarek, and Rynass or 2nd round pick or a name I don't even know in prospect category - not both.

I am concerned about reports that Luongo has lost foot speed and the soft goal he gives up every game is not about concentration but a degradation of physical skills.

Several teams have great young goalies in their system. You would think the Leafs would be much wiser to try and pry a guy like Lehner or Bishop out of Ottawa. Florida is deep in talent.

I fear the Luongo contract might be a bigger nightmare than Komisarek's.

I am concerned about reports that Luongo has lost foot speed and the soft goal he gives up every game is not about concentration but a degradation of physical skills.

Several teams have great young goalies in their system. You would think the Leafs would be much wiser to try and pry a guy like Lehner or Bishop out of Ottawa. Florida is deep in talent.

I fear the Luongo contract might be a bigger nightmare than Komisarek's.
- spatso

yeah but think of the seperation......dem gains

I am concerned about reports that Luongo has lost foot speed and the soft goal he gives up every game is not about concentration but a degradation of physical skills.

Several teams have great young goalies in their system. You would think the Leafs would be much wiser to try and pry a guy like Lehner or Bishop out of Ottawa. Florida is deep in talent.

I fear the Luongo contract might be a bigger nightmare than Komisarek's.
- spatso

Toronto has 4 young talented goal tenders in their system. They don't need young they need older veteran leadership to mentor our future goalies. I like Backstrom in Minnesota better than Luongo in terms of contract. Both around the same age, but I think Backstrom will be done in 3 years when our prospects are ready to step in. Plus to keep him healthy you share the time between Reimer and Backstrom on a 70/30 split in order to let Reimer learn. I'm not about a get Luongo to make the playoffs because I don't think he alone will do it. I'm about long term sustainability of a great team and not what we currently have. I think Luongo's contract will inhibit us from making future moves to improve, or by trading away talented prospects that will help us later in order to make the playoffs in the next season. But then there is the recent Harding news......

problem is Supply/Demand. So who is in Demand for an elite level goalie? A lot of teams which means he should easily get a massive return that includes pieces like Gardiner but when you take into consideration the NMC and the massive cash contract (the cap hit is nothing in a 70M cap it is the 6.7M in cash per year that would kill lower market teams) the number of teams that could get him go from 15+ down to 3 (ish).

Tampa would want to send Lecavalier the other way and Vancouver wont have that so their out. Florida would want him but considering how well they did without him and considering that Markstrom is close to ready Florida will not trade for a guy that will be stuck with them for 5-10 years.

Because of that Toronto is the only team that can take on his contract, now obviously Vancouver would rather keep Luongo than accept a deal of Bozak, Lombardi, & a small piece like K. Ryan but that being said Vancouver has no leverage to get a guy like Gardiner or Kadri. Zero chance of that.

I think the best Vancouver can do is this:

Luongo

for:

Bozak
Connolly/Lombardi/Komisarek
Holzer/Blacker
Rynass/Owuya
conditional pick (1st if 21st-30th overall, 2nd if not)

I highly doubt that Burke pays more than that, in fact if Toronto is the only team shopping for Luongo then the cost is gonna be lower. It is all about Supply/Demand, period.
- Steven_Dean

No

I'd be fine with that trade.
- Nucker101

I too think it would be fair.

Vancouver gets a home town young defender with great upside. And the leafs can afford to give him up because they have a number of up and coming defencemen in their system.

Leafs get the goalie they really need.

This is fair


But I still don't want Lou ..... Not because I think he's bad but because I (frank)ing hate him
- The_Vark

I warmed up to him once I started following his non-verified (but pretty much verified) twitter account. The man is (frank)ing hilarious.

Toronto has 4 young talented goal tenders in their system. They don't need young they need older veteran leadership to mentor our future goalies. I like Backstrom in Minnesota better than Luongo in terms of contract. Both around the same age, but I think Backstrom will be done in 3 years when our prospects are ready to step in. Plus to keep him healthy you share the time between Reimer and Backstrom on a 70/30 split in order to let Reimer learn. I'm not about a get Luongo to make the playoffs because I don't think he alone will do it. I'm about long term sustainability of a great team and not what we currently have. I think Luongo's contract will inhibit us from making future moves to improve, or by trading away talented prospects that will help us later in order to make the playoffs in the next season. But then there is the recent Harding news......
- GregMorris

Do the Leafs have a high performing talent playing goal in their system? Great goaltenders over perform at every level. It takes time to develop an all star goaltender at the NHL level. You have a few who blossom late (Tim Thomas). But the really good ones have the physical and mental tools right from the start (Cary Price, Lunqvist).

I did hear one report suggesting Tim Thomas is the best fit out there for the Leafs. Just think the risk of the Luongo contract is way too steep. If this guy has lost his physical edge, coming to a team with a weaker defense than the Canucks is only going to expose that vulnerability even more. Why are there not another dozen teams trying to get Luongo? There is a reason that really good teams (eg., Tampa) are taking a pass.

problem is Supply/Demand. So who is in Demand for an elite level goalie? A lot of teams which means he should easily get a massive return that includes pieces like Gardiner but when you take into consideration the NMC and the massive cash contract (the cap hit is nothing in a 70M cap it is the 6.7M in cash per year that would kill lower market teams) the number of teams that could get him go from 15+ down to 3 (ish).

Tampa would want to send Lecavalier the other way and Vancouver wont have that so their out. Florida would want him but considering how well they did without him and considering that Markstrom is close to ready Florida will not trade for a guy that will be stuck with them for 5-10 years.

Because of that Toronto is the only team that can take on his contract, now obviously Vancouver would rather keep Luongo than accept a deal of Bozak, Lombardi, & a small piece like K. Ryan but that being said Vancouver has no leverage to get a guy like Gardiner or Kadri. Zero chance of that.

I think the best Vancouver can do is this:

Luongo

for:

Bozak
Connolly/Lombardi/Komisarek
Holzer/Blacker
Rynass/Owuya
conditional pick (1st if 21st-30th overall, 2nd if not)

I highly doubt that Burke pays more than that, in fact if Toronto is the only team shopping for Luongo then the cost is gonna be lower. It is all about Supply/Demand, period.
- Steven_Dean

If Burke gives up close to that "he's fired"

Kessel for Luongo.

Kessel is walking anyways might as well get a decent return.

I'm sure all Leaf fans will agree with me here.

Lu is hands down the best NHL player on Twitter. What a great troll!
- Nucker101

This reminds me of the Lindros jerseys they made up in the 90's. Just because someone made them up does not mean he is coming to Toronto.

Do the Leafs have a high performing talent playing goal in their system? Great goaltenders over perform at every level. It takes time to develop an all star goaltender at the NHL level. You have a few who blossom late (Tim Thomas). But the really good ones have the physical and mental tools right from the start (Cary Price, Lunqvist).

I did hear one report suggesting Tim Thomas is the best fit out there for the Leafs. Just think the risk of the Luongo contract is way too steep. If this guy has lost his physical edge, coming to a team with a weaker defense than the Canucks is only going to expose that vulnerability even more. Why are there not another dozen teams trying to get Luongo? There is a reason that really good teams (eg., Tampa) are taking a pass.
- spatso

I don't know if they do. Goal tenders are exactly as you stated.......unpredictable until proven. We have 4 to choose from and hopefully one works out. Gustavvson didn't, Reimer who knows - he's shown he's capable at times. Scrivens maybe. The other two I'm really not sure. The one thing is that rarely a team uses a 1st round pick on a goalie, so I guess that really sums it up. Luongo would be the best talent out there without a doubt, and if his contract was 5 years not 10 it would be a no brainer.

Kessel for Luongo.

Kessel is walking anyways might as well get a decent return.

I'm sure all Leaf fans will agree with me here.
- robin_steele264

I agree Kessel is walking, but I would trade him for someone who can score and not Luongo.

No to Luongo period. We don't even know what the new CBA landscape will look like. If the cap goes down the contract looks even worse. As far as value I would pay Bozak + Franson assuming I even wanted Lu.

Absolutely no 2nd, why they keep getting thrown into proposals is beyond me. A conditional 1st? Hell no! A 2nd has significant value. With the extended off season there should be even more hesitation over the degradation of his skills. Let him be Vancouvers problem. Hell if Toronto says thanks but no thanks they will eventually waive him.

With a shortened or lack of season the pressure isn't so intense on BB to make a desperate move. Next off season will have a better goalie market. Backstrom will NOT be available. Mike Smith however will.

Kessel for Luongo.

Kessel is walking anyways might as well get a decent return.

I'm sure all Leaf fans will agree with me here.
- robin_steele264

Can we agree you're high?

This reminds me of the Lindros jerseys they made up in the 90's. Just because someone made them up does not mean he is coming to Toronto.
- mikeinbuffalo

Come mike, look closer at the picture.

Kessel for Luongo.

Kessel is walking anyways might as well get a decent return.

I'm sure all Leaf fans will agree with me here.
- robin_steele264

Troll

Come mike, look closer at the picture.
- burn

old leafs jersey? different jersey than JVR, that's for sure.

absolutely nothing

what a drastic change in philosophy a trade for Luongo would imply, the day Burke trades for Luongo, he should be terminated