Last time the players and owners met, it was individually and the owners signed them all to the contracts they don't want to honor now... Interesting...
Last time the players and owners met, it was individually and the owners signed them all to the contracts they don't want to honor now... Interesting... - flyler
In theory, it was the General Managers that met them. The owners pre-approved a dollar limit they were allowed to spend, on most cases it's the salary cap.
A GM's job is to put the best product on the ice and win a Stanley Cup. He likely doesn't give a crap how long the deal is signed, especially since they likely wont last that long.
Here's the flaw in all of that. That many want to ignore. Fehr didn't have anything to do with that imbalance. But you know who did? The Owners themselves. When their GM's, or Team Presidents, or maybe even the owners themselves, negotiated contracts with the individual players. And then the Owners signed off on the deals. They created this imbalance. Fehr had zero to do with it. And as far as 250M to 1.8B. There are over 700 players and only 30 Owners. That alone will lead to an imbalance. And I'll again state that the split is about revenue, not profit. - MJL
The fact that Fehr had nothing to do with it is completely irrelevant. But it IS his job to help fix it. Common sense has to prevail at some point in this negotiation, that is if some of these players want to remain in the NHL, because at some point teams WILL fold if they continue on this path. You can keep defending the players but what good is going to come from this effort if a hundred or so players don't have a team to play on anymore?
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Nov 30 @ 12:06 PM ET
The fact that Fehr had nothing to do with it is completely irrelevant. But it IS his job to help fix it. Common sense has to prevail at some point in this negotiation, that is if some of these players want to remain in the NHL, because at some point teams WILL fold if they continue on this path. You can keep defending the players but what good is going to come from this effort if a hundred or so players don't have a team to play on anymore? - MnGump
You assume that the positions put forward by the League are the solutions to prevent teams from folding. What will a 7% reduction in the share of HRR do to prevent the bottom feeders from folding with the increase in revenues will drive up the cap floor by even more?
You assume that the positions put forward by the League are the solutions to prevent teams from folding. What will a 7% reduction in the share of HRR do to prevent the bottom feeders from folding with the increase in revenues will drive up the cap floor by even more? - Canada Cup
I'm not saying the leagues position is fool proof, but they have to start somewhere, and 7% is more than reasonable. That said, I think it's inevitable that teams will eventually fold regardless.
I have been an NHL fan for 40 years. I have attended close to 1000 NHL games. I have been to games in 15 NHL cities. So I consider myself to be a life long fan.
I have had it with the greed and ego on both sides. I am embarrassed by what has transpired this season. Two greedy sides are slowly strangling the golden goose to death.
I now honestly hope this season is lost and I hope the NHL never again gets to the level of success it had at the end of last season. Both sides deserve to reap what they have sewn by seeing the size of the pie they are fighting over shrink significantly.
The NHL has never been considered on par with the other 'big three' major league sports (NFL, MLB, NBA). What has transpired this year proves they don't ever deserve to be.
I have been an NHL fan for 40 years. I have attended close to 1000 NHL games. I have been to games in 15 NHL cities. So I consider myself to be a life long fan.
I have had it with the greed and ego on both sides. I am embarrassed by what has transpired this season. Two greedy sides are slowly strangling the golden goose to death.
I now honestly hope this season is lost and I hope the NHL never again gets to the level of success it had at the end of last season. Both sides deserve to reap what they have sewn by seeing the size of the pie they are fighting over shrink significantly.
The NHL has never been considered on par with the other 'big three' major league sports (NFL, MLB, NBA). What has transpired this year proves they don't ever deserve to be. - maaddmike
I agree with you, but You forgot to say "I'm quitting"...
The fact that Fehr had nothing to do with it is completely irrelevant. But it IS his job to help fix it. Common sense has to prevail at some point in this negotiation, that is if some of these players want to remain in the NHL, because at some point teams WILL fold if they continue on this path. You can keep defending the players but what good is going to come from this effort if a hundred or so players don't have a team to play on anymore? - MnGump
The fact that Fehr had nothing to do with it is extremely relevant. It's the whole key to this. The Owner's created their own problems. Now they want the players to pay the price. And Fehr's job is to get the best deal he can for his constituents. The common sense that has to prevail is for the Owner's to realize it is their problem to fix. That they have to pay a price. They're unwilling to do so. The player's have offered to do their share.
I'm not saying the leagues position is fool proof, but they have to start somewhere, and 7% is more than reasonable. That said, I think it's inevitable that teams will eventually fold regardless. - MnGump
Yes, the Owners have to start somewhere. They need to look within and look in the mirror first and foremost. Which they refuse to do.
The fact that Fehr had nothing to do with it is extremely relevant. It's the whole key to this. The Owner's created their own problems. Now they want the players to pay the price. And Fehr's job is to get the best deal he can for his constituents. The common sense that has to prevail is for the Owner's to realize it is their problem to fix. That they have to pay a price. They're unwilling to do so. The player's have offered to do their share. - MJL
Extremely relevant? So when Abe Lincoln became president, he should have just said I had nothing to do with slavery so I should just be a Richard about it and let the slave owners sort things out?
How pray tell have the players offered to do their share exactly?
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Nov 30 @ 12:40 PM ET
You assume that the positions put forward by the League are the solutions to prevent teams from folding. What will a 7% reduction in the share of HRR do to prevent the bottom feeders from folding with the increase in revenues will drive up the cap floor by even more? - Canada Cup
Actually lowering the players % of HRR would bring the cap floor down.
The NHL & NHLPA are both KUNTS that need to be (frank)ed over by the fans...Dont buy their poop dont goto their poop or will be back here in a few years....watch it from tv and call it a day.... Both Fehr and Bettman need to go.
Extremely relevant? So when Abe Lincoln became president, he should have just said I had nothing to do with slavery so I should just be a Richard about it and let the slave owners sort things out?
How pray tell have the players offered to do their share exactly? - MnGump
By agreeing to move towards 50/50, and take a lesser share going forward. And you missed the point. That point is that Fehr and the players didn't create this mess. The Owner's did.
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Nov 30 @ 12:53 PM ET
Extremely relevant? So when Abe Lincoln became president, he should have just said I had nothing to do with slavery so I should just be a Richard about it and let the slave owners sort things out?
How pray tell have the players offered to do their share exactly? - MnGump
You know. They have offered to take a 50/50 share of all HRR's moving forward. Plus make whole, plus interest, plus a guarantee of no less money each year, regardless of damage to HRR's or the always-present possibility that CDN dollar could drop.( So roughly about 57% or more of HRR's during thier proposed 5 yr deal)
But they are only willing to make this "concession" as long as the NHL lets go of thier contractual demands, or even offer the players something back, so it doesn't feel like such a "shakedown" for them.
Even though i think Fehr is the biggest stumbling block to get this season going, I never said he wasn't genius.
You know. They have offered to take a 50/50 share of all HRR's moving forward. Plus make whole, plus interest, plus a guarantee of no less money each year, regardless of damage to HRR's or the always-present possibility that CDN dollar could drop.( So roughly about 57% or more of HRR's during thier proposed 5 yr deal)
But they are only willing to make this "concession" as long as the NHL lets go of thier contractual demands, or even offer the players something back, so it doesn't feel like such a "shakedown" for them.
Even though i think Fehr is the biggest stumbling block to get this season going, I never said he wasn't genius. - steveb12344
When and if the Owners move off of their "my way or the highway" stance. Then we'll find out what concessions the players are willing to make.
By agreeing to move towards 50/50, and take a lesser share going forward. And you missed the point. That point is that Fehr and the players didn't create this mess. The Owner's did. - MJL
Yes, you keep saying that and I have a feeling you are missing the point. It doesn't matter who created the mess. The onus is on both sides to find a way to resolve the leagues financial woes for the betterment of the entire league, not just the teams that are struggling and not just for the teams that are doing well. The players need to agree to 50/50, not just move towards it, the owners need to take a serious look at how and where they spend their money and stop offering ridiculous contracts.
That's the whole point really, they all need to check themselves. The betterment of the entire league is what should be the focus not the betterment of either side individually.
I'm not saying the owners are little angels that have done no wrong, and you're right, they are to blame for this fiasco. But simply assigning blame gets us no where. Both sides need to endeavor to persevere or this league will crumble.
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