There's nothing rhetorical about it. The Owner's Make Whole payments was over 2 year. The players 4. What's your point?
- MJL

My point is that you neglected to include the terms associated to the owners' $211M proposal vs. the players' $393M proposal of "make whole." They're big numbers, but not as big of a player concession that you make it out to be.

The No Hope League has lost all credibility.

Why end the lockout. They will have another in three years.

Life without the NHL is just fine.

They players contracts weren't guaranteed to be paid in full under the last CBA - player expenses exceeding 57% HRR was paid back to the league in escrow payments.

And how many players are not affected by the "make whole" provision at all? Guys that currently don't have contracts or have contracts expireing after year one.
- DJOilman

There was also the possibility that the players could get more then 100% of their contracts under the last CBA. Which I believe one year they got 104%. Increasing Make Whole payments still increases the pool of money available to the players, and therefore more money available to future Free Agents. And that is why the contract issues are very important to the players. Players want the ability to maximize future earning potential. The more restrictions in place, the harder that is to do.

My point is that you neglected to include the terms associated to the owners' $211M proposal vs. the players' $393M proposal of "make whole." They're big numbers, but not as big of a player concession that you make it out to be.
- As_I_See_It

I didn't neglect anything. And just exactly what am I making it out to be?

I didn't neglect anything. And just exactly what am I making it out to be?
- MJL

You're pro-player.

Like I said, you're making the $211M from the owners vs the $393 proposed by the players that's supposedly "down from over $500M" of "make whole" dollars as HUGE player concession, when it actuality NOBODY is entitled to anything until the details of the new CBA are hammered out.

The players will be eating it, again. The contracts will be honoured in accordance with the new CBA. Get over it.

This season is permanently tainted for me. Yes, if there is a season I will watch it, but really because I'm a diehard fan with a team I root for, so I'll want to see how the Leafs players are looking, and if they were to do well and make the playoffs of course I'd be on the edge of my seat. But my enthusiasm for other games, or the NHL in general will be tainted.

The stats won't be the same, the season will have an asterisk beside it. At least last time there was a fundamental change like a salary cap at stake, this is just stupid.

I'm basically willing to see the whole season get canceled just to spite both sides of this for damaging the game itself. Let them both flush a few billion dollars down the toilet while they both watch it swirl into the bowl to spite the other, lose a whole bunch of sponsors and fans. Was it worth it to play these executive war strategies out?

I can say for sure there's probably 500 bucks I would have spent on NHL by this point if there had been a season, and over the course of the season I would have spent a lot more, both to the NHL directly and to local businesses mostly in the form of bars. Now that's going to be zero whether there is a season or not. Well I'll still go to the bars, just not as much. But I was specifically planning on going to certain games and buying specific NHL merch and season or no season, no way am I doing that this season. Also I switched phone companies so as not to be doing business with the Leafs' ownership, so take that!

Felt bad saying it, but someone had to.

I cant stand people who spit out kids without thinking through how they will support them over the LONG haul...and then whine about how tough it is, blame the world etc.

I never had kids because when the time was probably right health wise, it wasnt financially. Now I am financially set, but Im a little older and we couldnt unfortunately....thats life, I made my decision and dont whine about it.
- C.J

And you are really, really ugly.

One thing is for certain. If and when they open the doors and the fans do head to the games. That excitement that they built for the last 7 years is going to be gone. Your going to notice that the crowds won't be as loud. The fans won't be as hooked.


The best part about hockey is passion and the NHL and NHLPA have ripped that away. The excitement built up for a home opener is just not the same when you miss the first 3 months of the season because they are fighting over the money that we are spending to enjoy the sport.


This is my opinion as a die hard fan of the Bruins and the entirety of the league. I have been optimistic that they will start soon and i have been dieing for it. But that desire is fading quickly.

Now this could all change with a 6-1 thrashing of the Montreal Canadiens or a full line brawl with the Buffalo Sabres, but we need to play for that to happen.


Just bring it back already. NHL 13 is barely cutting it.

One thing is for certain. If and when they open the doors and the fans do head to the games. That excitement that they built for the last 7 years is going to be gone. Your going to notice that the crowds won't be as loud. The fans won't be as hooked.


The best part about hockey is passion and the NHL and NHLPA have ripped that away. The excitement built up for a home opener is just not the same when you miss the first 3 months of the season because they are fighting over the money that we are spending to enjoy the sport.


This is my opinion as a die hard fan of the Bruins and the entirety of the league. I have been optimistic that they will start soon and i have been dieing for it. But that desire is fading quickly.

Now this could all change with a 6-1 thrashing of the Montreal Canadiens or a full line brawl with the Buffalo Sabres, but we need to play for that to happen.


Just bring it back already. NHL 13 is barely cutting it.
- Mahewman

pretty much sums it up, this whole thing I think just deflated the enthusiasm about the NHL which was doing very well up to this point

If the only other option is to go work in Europe for $7,000 - $8,000 a year, or in Russia for $70,000, but my office is a dump and my car is 40 years old and the medical system is outdated, I accept the $78,000.
- moondawg

As would I at the end of the day but I wouldn't be happy nor would you I assume. And if it happened every review I would be looking elasewhere. Not the most viable option for nhl players. So all I'm saying is I understand why they feel they can't just bend over and sign.

I wish they would for my own selfish reasons but I'm just trying to point out those who claim players just sign and shut up etc. Are delusional because if they were in similar negotiation you would fight too. Its human nature, don't lie to yourself you'd do the same.

Not saying I agree with nhlpa but I certainly can understand their position.

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- derfmred

What he said, and furthermore
FU Gary Bettman
FU Donald Fehr
FU NHL owners
FU NHLPA
YOU ALL SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're pro-player.

Like I said, you're making the $211M from the owners vs the $393 proposed by the players that's supposedly "down from over $500M" of "make whole" dollars as HUGE player concession, when it actuality NOBODY is entitled to anything until the details of the new CBA are hammered out.

The players will be eating it, again. The contracts will be honoured in accordance with the new CBA. Get over it.
- As_I_See_It

You're mistaken. Make Whole is about honoring current contracts. Those exist. They did not expire with the last CBA. Now I don't know how the players came up with their number of 592M needed to fully honor contracts. But offering to go from 592M to 393M is a significant concession to the Owners. Plain and simple. And the Make Whole number the players offered of 393M is likely to go down ever further in the deal. It has to as more games are lost.

And you're absolutely wrong that NOBODY is entitled to anything until the details of the new CBA are hammered out.

And that the players would be"eating it again" has never been in doubt. And that the players will be subject to the new agreement in the future. Again that has never been in doubt.

What he said, and furthermore
FU Gary Bettman
FU Donald Fehr
FU NHL owners
FU NHLPA
YOU ALL SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- BiggE

What I don't understand is why you come on here every day and spout off the same angry line about the NHL and NHLPA.

You should be directing your anger towards a more worthy target:

Internet Explorer.

Eff, I hate this browser.

You're mistaken. Make Whole is about honoring current contracts. Those exist. They did not expire with the last CBA. Now I don't know how the players came up with their number of 592M needed to fully honor contracts. But offering to go from 592M to 393M is a significant concession to the Owners. Plain and simple. And the Make Whole number the players offered of 393M is likely to go down ever further in the deal. It has to as more games are lost.

And you're absolutely wrong that NOBODY is entitled to anything until the details of the new CBA are hammered out.

And that the players would be"eating it again" has never been in doubt. And that the players will be subject to the new agreement in the future. Again that has never been in doubt.
- MJL

- Crimsoninja

In honor of you Crims!

There was also the possibility that the players could get more then 100% of their contracts under the last CBA. Which I believe one year they got 104%.
- MJL

Would that not continue under a 50/50 system if revenues continued to grow?

Players want the ability to maximize future earning potential. The more restrictions in place, the harder that is to do.

I'm asuming owners want to maximize profit as well. Having to shave profit off the top of a successful team to prop up a money losing team seems to be a restriction on earning potential. Maybe if the best run teams in the league have to share their profit with poor teams, then the top 1/3rd earning NHL player can pool some money for the idots that are only making a million and are having trouble with the mortgage payments because they aren't that good with their money.

What I don't understand is why you come on here every day and spout off the same angry line about the NHL and NHLPA.

You should be directing your anger towards a more worthy target:

Internet Explorer.

Eff, I hate this browser.
- Atomic Wedgie

Uh mozilla, google chrome etc....
internet explorer sucks ALMOST as bad as Gary Bettman!!

What he said, and furthermore
FU Gary Bettman
FU Donald Fehr
FU NHL owners
FU NHLPA
YOU ALL SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- BiggE

In honor of you Crims!
- MJL

you're all growns up!

Uh mozilla, google chrome etc....
internet explorer sucks ALMOST as bad as Gary Bettman!!

- BiggE

Apparently at work they don't want me to be efficient.

Would that not continue under a 50/50 system if revenues continued to grow?



I'm asuming owners want to maximize profit as well. Having to shave profit off the top of a successful team to prop up a money losing team seems to be a restriction on earning potential. Maybe if the best run teams in the league have to share their profit with poor teams, then the top 1/3rd earning NHL player can pool some money for the idots that are only making a million and are having trouble with the mortgage payments because they aren't that good with their money.
- DJOilman

They'll have to have some type of mechanism in place to ensure that the split is correct. The PA isn't crying about the salary disparity of their members. That some teams are struggling is an NHL problem, not a players problem directly. Revenue sharing is used in all Leagues for a reason. Because it works. I'm quite sure that Owners of top teams won't be happy with having to give some of their money to the struggling teams. But if they aren't willing to help out those teams, why should the players?

No. You're missing the point. Taking a 5, 10, 15% pay cut based on millions of dollars is much easier to swallow than someone having to do that making 50G/year.

Get real.
- Powerslave

Financially it is big difference absolutely. But the pride would be the same regardless. Getting a worse deal in anything in life tends to enlist the same emotional prideful response.

I haven't heard a single nhlpa statement crying about the money specifically. They are digging in because they are sick of owners holding season hostage to get what they want.

Again not on their side merely commenting on the irate fan holding the players responsible. They will play tomorrow if owners open doors.

I'm just wondering how many more irritating pop ups and advertisements will get crammed onto this site.

A clever way to get people to pay for a subscription I guess... Never!

Eklund: POLL: Do You still Care about this NHL Season? + For/Against Mayers?
- Eklund

How much salary has been lost by the players so far? $500,000,000? I think $1.8 billion is given out in salary during the season. What the (frank) is Jamal talking about? That seems like a whole lot of giving by the owners.

I think Jamal needs to put the headphones back on and shut his mouth.

As would I at the end of the day but I wouldn't be happy nor would you I assume. And if it happened every review I would be looking elasewhere. Not the most viable option for nhl players. So all I'm saying is I understand why they feel they can't just bend over and sign.

I wish they would for my own selfish reasons but I'm just trying to point out those who claim players just sign and shut up etc. Are delusional because if they were in similar negotiation you would fight too. Its human nature, don't lie to yourself you'd do the same.

Not saying I agree with nhlpa but I certainly can understand their position.
- sfarrell

Sorry man, I'm a BComm graduate, and a business man. I took a recent cut in pay due to economic downturn and understood it to be necessary to keep the company going. I had a choice and I accepted what needed to be done to save my job, and many others.

I have seen too many greedy unions (not all) lose contract and jobs due to an inability to negotiate.