Ian Esplen: True Grit- late picks True Grit- late picks

I could care less about the actual draft... and more about the trades that will surround it.

I imagine Gillis will most likely be dealing Lu around the draft... and possibly another move. But I guess we will see.

Wes Vannieuwenhuizen- Vancouver, 6"3 210, D
69GP, 3G, 7A, 152PIM

I believe the overeager is still draft eligible, and if he is there late I think he would make an excellent pick. Vannieuwenhuizen is never going to be a star, but I love his character, toughness and leadership qualities. And when you add those qualities with his great name and being a local product, I'd love to see him in Vancouver. He is what the Canucks lack in their system and that is a real junkyard dog type.


NHL Comparison- Matt Carkner



I want this guy to go to Toronto and then watch Cherry have a stroke trying to pronounce his name.

Wes Vannieuwenhuizen- Vancouver, 6"3 210, D
69GP, 3G, 7A, 152PIM

I believe the overeager is still draft eligible, and if he is there late I think he would make an excellent pick. Vannieuwenhuizen is never going to be a star, but I love his character, toughness and leadership qualities. And when you add those qualities with his great name and being a local product, I'd love to see him in Vancouver. He is what the Canucks lack in their system and that is a real junkyard dog type.


NHL Comparison- Matt Carkner





I want this guy to go to Toronto and then watch Cherry have a stroke trying to pronounce his name.
- fiveandagame

guessing he'd call van-new-how-is-he

Kevin Bieksa‏@kbieksa3

Congrats to Nick Lidstrom on a great career. Made the game look way too easy. Fun to watch even from the bench...

I could care less about the actual draft... and more about the trades that will surround it.

I imagine Gillis will most likely be dealing Lu around the draft... and possibly another move. But I guess we will see.
- kneughter

Would Bieksa waive his NTC to play for the Leafs?

Luongo, Bieksa ,and Raymond for Schenn ,Gardiner ,5th overall and Armstrong.

Hopefully Gillis is able acquire a 3rd and 4th rounder via the trade route.

Hopefully Gillis is able acquire a 3rd and 4th rounder via the trade route.
- LeftCoaster

Do you mean so he can make an offer sheet?

Do you mean so he can make an offer sheet?
- VANTEL

Wouldn't work, the picks have to be your own.

Wouldn't work, the picks have to be your own.
- Chest Rockwell

IC thanks

Do you mean so he can make an offer sheet?
- VANTEL

No, just for picks to add some depth to the club.

http://canucksarmy.com/20...gger-and-stronger-part-ii

Intersting article about Canucks becoming bigger stronger.

Would Bieksa waive his NTC to play for the Leafs?

Luongo, Bieksa ,and Raymond for Schenn ,Gardiner ,5th overall and Armstrong.
- VANTEL

Hahahahha

Playoffs Hahahahha
- yea-ok-buddy

Would Bieksa waive his NTC to play for the Leafs?

Luongo, Bieksa ,and Raymond for Schenn ,Gardiner ,5th overall and Armstrong.
- VANTEL

No offense, but Gardiner and the 5th are two very good chips for trade.

With Luongo you're taking a big contract and only getting 3-5 years out of him, along with an older Bieksa and Raymond who isn't necessary. Doesn't make sense from a TO standpoint.

I still believe we need to take Ulf's son in the first round

No offense, but Gardiner and the 5th are two very good chips for trade.

With Luongo you're taking a big contract and only getting 3-5 years out of him, along with an older Bieksa and Raymond who isn't necessary. Doesn't make sense from a TO standpoint.
- Brian Huddle

Do you know what does make sense from a TO standpoint? Making the playoffs this year. There is no GM in the league that is under more pressure then Burke right now. I'm not saying that that trade proposal will work but for everyone saying that if Gillis and Burke are talking Luongo and think Luongo will be had for salray dump and a pick are insane. Which GM at the end of the day is under more pressure right now, Gillis or Burke?

No offense, but Gardiner and the 5th are two very good chips for trade.

With Luongo you're taking a big contract and only getting 3-5 years out of him, along with an older Bieksa and Raymond who isn't necessary. Doesn't make sense from a TO standpoint.
- Brian Huddle

No kidding, I think the only way Burke starts talking Gardiner and the 5th overall is if Kesler is involved in the conversation.

Which should not be said...

Would Bieksa waive his NTC to play for the Leafs?

Luongo, Bieksa ,and Raymond for Schenn ,Gardiner ,5th overall and Armstrong.
- VANTEL

I would do that trade in a second, and its actually fair both ways. That you MG?

No kidding, I think the only way Burke starts talking Gardiner and the 5th overall is if Kesler is involved in the conversation.

Which should not be said...
- Whiskey-Tango

Yea. I think a deal can be made, and likely will be made between the two teams. But it won't be for huge value for Vancouver or Toronto either way. It'll be a fair deal on either side.

Do you know what does make sense from a TO standpoint? Making the playoffs this year. There is no GM in the league that is under more pressure then Burke right now. I'm not saying that that trade proposal will work but for everyone saying that if Gillis and Burke are talking Luongo and think Luongo will be had for salray dump and a pick are insane. Which GM at the end of the day is under more pressure right now, Gillis or Burke?
- fiveandagame

I agree-- but Burke has options, too. He's not gonna be had for Gardiner and a 5th who are valuable pieces and Schenn - who isn't as attractive as he was a year ago, is still a good asset at the moment.

Salary will have to go Vancouver's way. So let's say Armstrong (whom apparently Van asked about at deadline). For 1 year at 3, that's not the worst thing in the world. Add a good chip, but not great, like Kulemin or Franson and to me, that's likely the basis of a deal. Tinkering would have to be done on either side, but it gives a rough idea. Vancouver won't get crap for Luongo, but Toronto isn't handing over it's two young Dmen of the future plus a 5th overall pick.

Yea. I think a deal can be made, and likely will be made between the two teams. But it won't be for huge value for Vancouver or Toronto either way. It'll be a fair deal on either side.



I agree-- but Burke has options, too. He's not gonna be had for Gardiner and a 5th who are valuable pieces and Schenn - who isn't as attractive as he was a year ago, is still a good asset at the moment.

Salary will have to go Vancouver's way. So let's say Armstrong (whom apparently Van asked about at deadline). For 1 year at 3, that's not the worst thing in the world. Add a good chip, but not great, like Kulemin or Franson and to me, that's likely the basis of a deal. Tinkering would have to be done on either side, but it gives a rough idea. Vancouver won't get crap for Luongo, but Toronto isn't handing over it's two young Dmen of the future plus a 5th overall pick.
- Brian Huddle

Schenn, Armstrong and a 2nd for Luongo and Raymond.

No offense, but Gardiner and the 5th are two very good chips for trade.

With Luongo you're taking a big contract and only getting 3-5 years out of him, along with an older Bieksa and Raymond who isn't necessary. Doesn't make sense from a TO standpoint.
- Brian Huddle

None taken . So Varlomov can get a first and a second but Luongo can't. 3-5 years of TO making the playoffs,what a novel idea .Three core players from one of the best teams in the league for 2 secondary players and a draft pick on one of the worse teams in the league.This is the reason very few teams trade with TO.

This is why I would like TO to rot at the bottom of the league and go for something bigger with SJ CHI or some team.Last team to deal with TO got hosed (CGY)

Hey...how did my avatar get changed? Somebody's got some staining to do!

Edit: strange, now it's back?

None taken . So Varlomov can get a fisrt and a second but Luongo can't. 3-5 years of TO making the playoffs,what a novel idea .Three core players for one of the best teams in the league for 2 secondary players and a draft pick on one of the worse teams in the league.This is the reason very few teams trade with TO.
- VANTEL

I'm with you in regards to Lou's value but these rumors of Lou for Gardiner and the fifth overall are far fetched to say the least.

Peronally I'd be happy with Schenn + minor assets/salary dump.
Schenn is still very rough around the edges and yet manages to be one of the leagues best in the number of overall hits per year. That and he's what, 22?

None taken . So Varlomov can get a first and a second but Luongo can't. 3-5 years of TO making the playoffs,what a novel idea .Three core players for one of the best teams in the league for 2 secondary players and a draft pick on one of the worse teams in the league.This is the reason very few teams trade with TO.

This is why I would like TO to rot at the bottom of the league and go for something bigger with SJ CHI or some team.Last team to deal with TO got hosed (CGY)
- VANTEL

I would really like to see Luongo for Thornton but I don't think that's going to happen. I think Luongo is going to Toronto.