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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 3:11 PM ET
Last nights Corsi numbers reveal that Crosby was better than Krejci in that game.
- Pecafan Fan


CONTEXT MARTEEEEEEEEEN!
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 4 @ 3:16 PM ET
CONTEXT MARTEEEEEEEEEN!
- bradleyc4


The context was a conference Finale game in which Crosby was absolutely useless and his team was crushed 6-1.

kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jun 4 @ 3:20 PM ET
The context was a conference Finale game in which Crosby was absolutely useless and his team was crushed 6-1.
- Pecafan Fan

bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 3:26 PM ET
The context was a conference Finale game in which Crosby was absolutely useless and his team was crushed 6-1.
- Pecafan Fan


No, Corsi doesn't say that Crosby was "better", just that his shot +/- number was better. And that usually happens when a team is trailing in a game.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 4 @ 3:33 PM ET
No, Corsi doesn't say that Crosby was "better", just that his shot +/- number was better. And that usually happens when a team is trailing in a game.
- bradleyc4


Useless.


Stat.




it's about as stupid as the individual +/- stat.
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jun 4 @ 3:35 PM ET
Useless.


Stat.




it's about as stupid as the individual +/- stat.

- Pecafan Fan

bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 3:35 PM ET
Useless.


Stat.




it's about as stupid as the individual +/- stat.

- Pecafan Fan


Thanks, MartinJL

(i'm not sexting with u anymore)
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 4 @ 3:42 PM ET
Thanks, MartinJL

(i'm not sexting with u anymore)

- bradleyc4


That's like the blog in which Yost was suggesting how Alfredsson and the sens were dominating the pens.






But ended up getting butt raped by the pens.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jun 4 @ 3:43 PM ET
Thanks, MartinJL

(i'm not sexting with u anymore)

- bradleyc4


we're still on for our normal tuesday night thing though right?
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 3:44 PM ET
we're still on for our normal tuesday night thing though right?
- kicksave856


i wouldn't miss it for the world
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 3:46 PM ET
That's like the blog in which Yost was suggesting how Alfredsson and the sens were dominating the pens.






But ended up getting butt raped by the pens.

- Pecafan Fan


I haven't looked at the numbers for each series.

But Corsi alone is not a good stat, I agree. You have to account for Zone Starts and Quality of Competition to added some meaningful context.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jun 4 @ 3:49 PM ET
i wouldn't miss it for the world
- bradleyc4

awesome ttyt
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 4 @ 4:10 PM ET
I haven't looked at the numbers for each series.


- bradleyc4



HOW CONVENIENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:13 PM ET
uh oh, i opened up the adv. stats convo in gaymeday and MJL is all up in arms
- bradleyc4


serves you right. i asked you a question about adv stats yesterday and you totally ignored me.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:31 PM ET
HOW CONVENIENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Pecafan Fan

bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:32 PM ET
serves you right. i asked you a question about adv stats yesterday and you totally ignored me.

- BringBack25


I saw that Tomahawk answered it better than I ever could.

And holy poop, you pwned him good on that Vancouver stuff. Well done.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:33 PM ET
HOW CONVENIENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Pecafan Fan


I have a newborn at home. I'm lucky to watch 10 minutes of any of the games.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:34 PM ET
I have a newborn at home. I'm lucky to watch 10 minutes of any of the games.
- bradleyc4

k-lo
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:40 PM ET
k-lo
- Crimsoninja


lol
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jun 4 @ 4:41 PM ET
I have a newborn at home. I'm lucky to watch 10 minutes of any of the games.
- bradleyc4


More excuses!!!!!!!!!!!
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jun 4 @ 4:43 PM ET
I have a newborn at home. I'm lucky to watch 10 minutes of any of the games.
- bradleyc4


CONGRATULATIONS!




edit: I could have just given you one of mine
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:44 PM ET
More excuses!!!!!!!!!!!
- Pecafan Fan


lol

you're right. it's better to misuse one statistic that "shows" that Crosby was better than Krejci last night.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:50 PM ET
CONGRATULATIONS!




edit: I could have just given you one of mine

- dt99999


thanks, it's #2 for me.
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:56 PM ET
I saw that Tomahawk answered it better than I ever could.

And holy poop, you pwned him good on that Vancouver stuff. Well done.

- bradleyc4


haha, thanks. the whole premise seemed flawed to me. Edler is their top d-man. The Sedins are their top line. Seems reasonable they would play a lot together, especially on the PP.

To me it seems more like those stats simply reflect how AV used him, not a "weakness" in his game that AV was trying to hide by playing him with the twins and giving him lots of o-zone starts. I mean, if the guy is your best offensive d-man, and your top PP QB, wouldn't you want him in the o-zone as much as possible?

For the record I'd love to have Edler, but not at any cost. I really hope the team does not move any of the young talent. If they want to shuffle the deck with some vets for the third & fourth lines then ok, whatever. But I don't want to see some huge package of young talent moved for an Edler-like d-man.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 4 @ 4:59 PM ET
haha, thanks. the whole premise seemed flawed to me. Edler is their top d-man. The Sedins are their top line. Seems reasonable they would play a lot together, especially on the PP.

To me it seems more like those stats simply reflect how AV used him, not a "weakness" in his game that AV was trying to hide by playing him with the twins and giving him lots of o-zone starts. I mean, if the guy is your best offensive d-man, and your top PP QB, wouldn't you want him in the o-zone as much as possible?

For the record I'd love to have Edler, but not at any cost. I really hope the team does not move any of the young talent. If they want to shuffle the deck with some vets for the third & fourth lines then ok, whatever. But I don't want to see some huge package of young talent moved for an Edler-like d-man.

- BringBack25


Agreed, and that was my main premise -- that Vigneault is a master of matching and best utilizing the talent on his roster. Not a deficiency in Edler's game. But I can understand why someone would feel like a gamble.

I also wouldn't touch the young core to acquire. I'd dangle the #11 (would want a pick back) or Hartnell (if he'd waive the NTC) or Simmonds. But not Couturier or B. Schenn.
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4336, 4337, 4338, 4339, 4340, 4341, 4342, 4343, 4344, 4345, 4346, 4347, 4348, 4349, 4350, 4351, 4352, 4353, 4354, 4355, 4356, 4357, 4358, 4359, 4360, 4361, 4362, 4363, 4364, 4365, 4366, 4367, 4368, 4369, 4370, 4371, 4372, 4373, 4374, 4375, 4376, 4377, 4378, 4379, 4380, 4381, 4382, 4383, 4384, 4385, 4386, 4387, 4388, 4389, 4390, 4391, 4392, 4393, 4394, 4395, 4396, 4397, 4398, 4399, 4400, 4401, 4402, 4403, 4404, 4405, 4406, 4407, 4408, 4409, 4410, 4411, 4412, 4413, 4414, 4415, 4416, 4417, 4418, 4419, 4420, 4421, 4422, 4423, 4424, 4425, 4426, 4427, 4428, 4429, 4430, 4431, 4432, 4433, 4434, 4435, 4436, 4437, 4438, 4439, 4440, 4441, 4442, 4443, 4444, 4445, 4446, 4447, 4448, 4449, 4450, 4451, 4452, 4453, 4454, 4455, 4456, 4457, 4458, 4459, 4460, 4461, 4462, 4463, 4464, 4465, 4466, 4467, 4468, 4469, 4470, 4471, 4472, 4473, 4474, 4475, 4476, 4477, 4478, 4479, 4480, 4481, 4482, 4483, 4484, 4485, 4486, 4487, 4488, 4489, 4490, 4491, 4492, 4493, 4494, 4495, 4496, 4497, 4498, 4499, 4500, 4501, 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4668, 4669, 4670, 4671, 4672, 4673, 4674, 4675, 4676, 4677, 4678, 4679, 4680, 4681, 4682, 4683, 4684, 4685, 4686, 4687, 4688, 4689, 4690, 4691, 4692, 4693, 4694, 4695, 4696, 4697, 4698, 4699, 4700, 4701, 4702, 4703, 4704, 4705, 4706, 4707, 4708, 4709, 4710, 4711, 4712, 4713, 4714, 4715, 4716, 4717, 4718, 4719, 4720, 4721, 4722, 4723, 4724, 4725, 4726, 4727, 4728, 4729, 4730, 4731, 4732, 4733, 4734, 4735, 4736, 4737, 4738, 4739, 4740, 4741, 4742, 4743, 4744, 4745, 4746, 4747, 4748, 4749, 4750, 4751, 4752, 4753, 4754, 4755, 4756, 4757, 4758, 4759, 4760, 4761, 4762, 4763, 4764, 4765, 4766, 4767, 4768, 4769, 4770, 4771, 4772, 4773, 4774, 4775, 4776, 4777, 4778, 4779, 4780, 4781, 4782, 4783, 4784, 4785, 4786, 4787, 4788, 4789, 4790, 4791, 4792, 4793, 4794, 4795, 4796, 4797, 4798, 4799, 4800, 4801, 4802, 4803, 4804, 4805, 4806, 4807, 4808, 4809, 4810, 4811, 4812, 4813, 4814, 4815, 4816, 4817, 4818, 4819, 4820, 4821, 4822, 4823, 4824, 4825, 4826, 4827, 4828, 4829, 4830, 4831, 4832, 4833, 4834, 4835, 4836, 4837, 4838, 4839, 4840, 4841, 4842, 4843, 4844, 4845, 4846, 4847, 4848, 4849, 4850, 4851, 4852, 4853, 4854, 4855, 4856, 4857, 4858, 4859, 4860, 4861, 4862, 4863, 4864, 4865, 4866, 4867, 4868, 4869, 4870, 4871, 4872, 4873, 4874, 4875, 4876, 4877, 4878, 4879, 4880, 4881, 4882, 4883, 4884, 4885, 4886, 4887, 4888, 4889, 4890, 4891, 4892, 4893, 4894, 4895, 4896, 4897, 4898, 4899, 4900, 4901, 4902, 4903, 4904, 4905, 4906, 4907, 4908, 4909, 4910, 4911, 4912, 4913, 4914, 4915, 4916, 4917, 4918, 4919, 4920, 4921, 4922, 4923, 4924, 4925, 4926, 4927, 4928, 4929, 4930, 4931, 4932, 4933, 4934, 4935, 4936, 4937, 4938, 4939, 4940, 4941, 4942, 4943, 4944, 4945, 4946, 4947, 4948, 4949, 4950, 4951, 4952, 4953, 4954, 4955, 4956, 4957, 4958, 4959, 4960, 4961, 4962, 4963, 4964, 4965, 4966, 4967, 4968, 4969, 4970, 4971, 4972, 4973, 4974, 4975, 4976, 4977, 4978, 4979, 4980, 4981, 4982, 4983, 4984, 4985, 4986, 4987, 4988, 4989, 4990, 4991, 4992, 4993, 4994, 4995, 4996, 4997, 4998, 4999, 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5166, 5167, 5168, 5169, 5170, 5171, 5172, 5173, 5174, 5175, 5176, 5177, 5178, 5179, 5180, 5181, 5182, 5183, 5184, 5185, 5186, 5187, 5188, 5189, 5190, 5191, 5192, 5193, 5194, 5195, 5196, 5197, 5198, 5199, 5200, 5201, 5202, 5203, 5204, 5205, 5206, 5207, 5208, 5209, 5210, 5211, 5212, 5213, 5214, 5215, 5216, 5217, 5218, 5219, 5220, 5221, 5222, 5223, 5224, 5225, 5226, 5227, 5228, 5229, 5230, 5231, 5232, 5233, 5234, 5235, 5236, 5237, 5238, 5239, 5240, 5241, 5242, 5243, 5244, 5245, 5246, 5247, 5248, 5249, 5250, 5251, 5252, 5253, 5254, 5255, 5256, 5257, 5258, 5259, 5260, 5261, 5262, 5263, 5264, 5265, 5266, 5267, 5268, 5269, 5270, 5271, 5272, 5273, 5274, 5275, 5276, 5277, 5278, 5279, 5280, 5281, 5282, 5283, 5284, 5285, 5286, 5287, 5288, 5289, 5290, 5291, 5292, 5293, 5294, 5295, 5296, 5297, 5298, 5299, 5300, 5301, 5302, 5303, 5304, 5305, 5306, 5307, 5308, 5309, 5310, 5311, 5312, 5313, 5314, 5315, 5316, 5317, 5318, 5319, 5320, 5321, 5322, 5323, 5324, 5325, 5326, 5327, 5328, 5329, 5330, 5331, 5332, 5333, 5334, 5335, 5336, 5337, 5338, 5339, 5340, 5341, 5342, 5343, 5344, 5345, 5346, 5347, 5348, 5349, 5350, 5351, 5352, 5353, 5354, 5355, 5356, 5357, 5358, 5359, 5360, 5361, 5362, 5363, 5364, 5365, 5366, 5367, 5368, 5369, 5370, 5371, 5372, 5373, 5374, 5375, 5376, 5377, 5378, 5379, 5380, 5381, 5382, 5383, 5384, 5385, 5386, 5387, 5388, 5389, 5390, 5391, 5392, 5393, 5394, 5395, 5396, 5397, 5398, 5399, 5400, 5401, 5402, 5403, 5404, 5405, 5406, 5407, 5408, 5409, 5410, 5411, 5412, 5413, 5414, 5415, 5416, 5417, 5418, 5419, 5420, 5421, 5422, 5423, 5424, 5425, 5426, 5427, 5428, 5429, 5430, 5431, 5432, 5433, 5434, 5435, 5436, 5437, 5438, 5439, 5440, 5441, 5442, 5443, 5444, 5445, 5446, 5447, 5448, 5449, 5450, 5451, 5452, 5453, 5454, 5455, 5456, 5457, 5458, 5459, 5460, 5461, 5462, 5463, 5464, 5465, 5466, 5467, 5468, 5469, 5470, 5471, 5472, 5473, 5474, 5475, 5476, 5477, 5478, 5479, 5480, 5481, 5482, 5483, 5484, 5485, 5486, 5487, 5488, 5489, 5490, 5491, 5492, 5493, 5494, 5495, 5496, 5497, 5498, 5499, 5500, 5501, 5502, 5503, 5504, 5505, 5506, 5507, 5508, 5509, 5510, 5511, 5512, 5513, 5514, 5515, 5516, 5517, 5518, 5519, 5520, 5521, 5522, 5523, 5524, 5525, 5526, 5527, 5528, 5529, 5530, 5531, 5532, 5533, 5534, 5535, 5536, 5537, 5538, 5539, 5540  Next