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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 24 @ 8:04 PM ET
Today I learned that New York Islanders fans can claim 8 cup wins!
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: 966 pages of no one caring, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Sep 24 @ 10:38 PM ET
This is the kind of post that reminds us why everyone has been laughing at Leaf fans for more than 50 years.
- spatso

no kidding
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 24 @ 10:40 PM ET
I don't want to keep Chabot up .......... I want him to play at the AHL until he's proven he can make the jump to the NHL level.

If they keep him up at the start of the season, because of injuries, then that is ok for a while ........... but the Senators don't like players sitting in the press box when they could be playing.

- D0PPELGANGER


not shocking you see things more logically than spatso.

the sens are primed and in it to win now. you dont gamble on kids and rookies unless youre absolutely sure they can be what they appear to be. for the team and players sake.

imo the sens filling a massive hole at center to take that next step to the cup, is worth trading chabot + for Duchene.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 24 @ 11:44 PM ET
https://en.wikipedia.org/..._of_Stanley_Cup_champions
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 24 @ 11:57 PM ET
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stanley_Cup_champions
- D0PPELGANGER


according to this the Leafs have won the cup and made the finals more than ottawa. so....agreed? was that your point? not quite sure...

1927> 1967?

it also counts the current sens as a seperate standard than the one from the 1897, or whatever year team.

it seems like youre agreeing with what leafs fans are saying....was that what you meant? or...oops?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 25 @ 12:09 AM ET
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stanley_Cup_champions
- D0PPELGANGER



Numbers in parentheses in the table indicate the number of times that team has appeared in the Stanley Cup Finals, as well as each respective teams' Stanley Cup Finals record to date.


go check these numbers and come back and this leafs vs sens debate can finally end. its your link. ill let you post the results
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 25 @ 6:59 AM ET
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stanley_Cup_champions
- D0PPELGANGER



Apps Team Wins Losses Win % Years of appearance (in Stanley Cup Finals)
21 Toronto Maple Leafs 13 8 .619 1918, 1922, 1932, 1933, 1935, 1936, 1938, 1939, 1940, 1942, 1945, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1951, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1967
1 Ottawa Senators[f] 0 1 .000 2007

Agreed. This is exactly what everyone has said.

burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 25 @ 7:18 AM ET
Leafs should buy a franchise,an expansion team or one that is struggling and relocate it to Toronto. Name it Toronto maple leafs.....what? CFL had two teams at the same time with same name.

Leafs would then be able to claim the most cups of all time, 26 according to dopes.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 25 @ 7:48 AM ET
according to this the Leafs have won the cup and made the finals more than ottawa. so....agreed? was that your point? not quite sure...

1927> 1967?

it also counts the current sens as a seperate standard than the one from the 1897, or whatever year team.

it seems like youre agreeing with what leafs fans are saying....was that what you meant? or...oops?

- systemtool




All I'm saying is that a team represents the City it is playing in....... so if the team wins a championship, or a tournament or whatever .......... it's done in the City's name, and it does not matter if different "franchises" win championships.

I used the example of the Grey Cup....... and the Redbalcks won their first Grey Cup last year .......... but that does not negate the fact that a previous franchise won Grey Cups, for Ottawa in the past.


It seems that some leaf fans can't wrap their head around this fact.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 25 @ 7:58 AM ET
Leafs should buy a franchise,an expansion team or one that is struggling and relocate it to Toronto. Name it Toronto maple leafs.....what? CFL had two teams at the same time with same name.

Leafs would then be able to claim the most cups of all time, 26 according to dopes.

- burn



One was called the Rough Riders, the other was the Roughriders ..........


toronto also won Cups with the "Blueshirts" the "Arenas" and the "St.Pats" ........ and I'm not one hundred percent sure, but these were previous names for the same team that became the leafs .............. I'm sure someone can confirm this.




The point in all of this, is that fans of the leafs and the Sens can talk all they want about previously won Cups ............. but it's been so long for both teams, that it's a weak argument, for both fan bases, if you're trying to prove how that relates to the current team being superior to the other Ontario based team, today.

Heck, most leaf fans totally dismiss anything that I point to that happened in the last 12 years .............. and then turn around and point to 50 year old plus Cup wins ............ how is what happened since the lockout irrelevant, but 50 year old plus Cup wins are???
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 25 @ 8:02 AM ET
All I'm saying is that a team represents the City it is playing in....... so if the team wins a championship, or a tournament or whatever .......... it's done in the City's name, and it does not matter if different "franchises" win championships.

I used the example of the Grey Cup....... and the Redbalcks won their first Grey Cup last year .......... but that does not negate the fact that a previous franchise won Grey Cups, for Ottawa in the past.


It seems that some leaf fans can't wrap their head around this fact.

- D0PPELGANGER



and he goes full spatso

your link says this sens team never won a cup amd made the finals once. it seems two sens fans cant wrap their head around this fact.

funny thing it was your own link that agrees with that fact. yet you used it to disgaree with that fact. youre an idiot.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 25 @ 8:03 AM ET
All I'm saying is that a team represents the City it is playing in....... so if the team wins a championship, or a tournament or whatever .......... it's done in the City's name, and it does not matter if different "franchises" win championships.

I used the example of the Grey Cup....... and the Redbalcks won their first Grey Cup last year .......... but that does not negate the fact that a previous franchise won Grey Cups, for Ottawa in the past.


It seems that some leaf fans can't wrap their head around this fact.

- D0PPELGANGER



You miss the point so much.

And no it doesn't mean that becuase a team from that city won doesn't mean that another team from that city also won that is so stupid.

The team you cheer for has not won a cup, you can't as much as you want change that. Not a single person has said "Ottawa" hasn't won. What they're saying is that the current franchise you cheer for, the Ottawa Senators have not won a cup. It's feeble reach on your part to say that a team that doesn't exist anymore that has nothing to do with the current team that won 80 years ago has won a cup.

So weak.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 25 @ 8:04 AM ET
One was called the Rough Riders, the other was the Roughriders ..........


toronto also won Cups with the "Blueshirts" the "Arenas" and the "St.Pats" ........ and I'm not one hundred percent sure, but these were previous names for the same team that became the leafs .............. I'm sure someone can confirm this.




The point in all of this, is that fans of the leafs and the Sens can talk all they want about previously won Cups ............. but it's been so long for both teams, that it's a weak argument, for both fan bases, if you're trying to prove how that relates to the current team being superior to the other Ontario based team, today.

Heck, most leaf fans totally dismiss anything that I point to that happened in the last 12 years .............. and then turn around and point to 50 year old plus Cup wins ............ how is what happened since the lockout irrelevant, but 50 year old plus Cup wins are???

- D0PPELGANGER



Same team
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 25 @ 8:05 AM ET
One was called the Rough Riders, the other was the Roughriders ..........


- D0PPELGANGER



burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 25 @ 8:07 AM ET
One was called the Rough Riders, the other was the Roughriders ..........


toronto also won Cups with the "Blueshirts" the "Arenas" and the "St.Pats" ........ and I'm not one hundred percent sure, but these were previous names for the same team that became the leafs .............. I'm sure someone can confirm this.




The point in all of this, is that fans of the leafs and the Sens can talk all they want about previously won Cups ............. but it's been so long for both teams, that it's a weak argument, for both fan bases, if you're trying to prove how that relates to the current team being superior to the other Ontario based team, today.

Heck, most leaf fans totally dismiss anything that I point to that happened in the last 12 years .............. and then turn around and point to 50 year old plus Cup wins ............ how is what happened since the lockout irrelevant, but 50 year old plus Cup wins are???

- D0PPELGANGER




Delusional.

Condemns leaf fans for saying they won a cup 50 years ago...... Brings up cup wins from 80 years ago of a team that isn't affiliated with his team. can you say contradiction.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 8:13 AM ET
All I'm saying is that a team represents the City it is playing in....... so if the team wins a championship, or a tournament or whatever .......... it's done in the City's name, and it does not matter if different "franchises" win championships.

I used the example of the Grey Cup....... and the Redbalcks won their first Grey Cup last year .......... but that does not negate the fact that a previous franchise won Grey Cups, for Ottawa in the past.


It seems that some leaf fans can't wrap their head around this fact.

- D0PPELGANGER


No sense arguing with those who have decided they will not see.

THey are convinced that the Winnipeg Jets are really not the Winnipeg Jets.

They believe what they want to believe because it pleases them to do so.

Laugh at them, remember they have lived with 50 years of ridicule. THEy have thin skins. Reasoning is subordinated to primitive cries of protest. Better to just engage, don't lock in to the immediate event or issue. It is always about their bitterness and resentment for multiple humiliations.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 25 @ 8:15 AM ET
No sense arguing with those who have decided they will not see.

THey are convinced that the Winnipeg Jets are really not the Winnipeg Jets.

They believe what they want to believe because it pleases them to do so.

Laugh at them, remember they have lived with 50 years of ridicule. THEy have thin skins. Reasoning is subordinated to primitive cries of protest. Better to just engage, don't lock in to the immediate event or issue. It is always about their bitterness and resentment for multiple humiliations.

- spatso



What the (frank) are you talking about?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 25 @ 8:31 AM ET
Delusional.

Condemns leaf fans for saying they won a cup 50 years ago...... Brings up cup wins from 80 years ago of a team that isn't affiliated with his team. can you say contradiction.

- burn




systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 25 @ 8:33 AM ET
No sense arguing with those who have decided they will not see.

THey are convinced that the Winnipeg Jets are really not the Winnipeg Jets.

They believe what they want to believe because it pleases them to do so.

Laugh at them, remember they have lived with 50 years of ridicule. THEy have thin skins. Reasoning is subordinated to primitive cries of protest. Better to just engage, don't lock in to the immediate event or issue. It is always about their bitterness and resentment for multiple humiliations.

- spatso


the Jets are the Jets.

but theyre not the Jets that are now the coyotes.

you seem upset spatso. dont let this place get to you so much
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 25 @ 8:34 AM ET
Delusional.

Condemns leaf fans for saying they won a cup 50 years ago...... Brings up cup wins from 80 years ago of a team that isn't affiliated with his team. can you say contradiction.

- burn





you guys have been so bad for 12 years!

yea well we have more cups than you!

why are you going into the past!?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 25 @ 8:41 AM ET
the Jets are the Jets.

but theyre not the Jets that are now the coyotes.

you seem upset spatso. dont let this place get to you so much

- systemtool



The Winnipeg Jets first played in the WHA, and represented the City of Winnipeg.

When the WHA merged with the NHL, the Jets continued to represent the City of Winnipeg.

The Jets then relocated to Arizona and changed their name.

The Atlanta Thrashers relocated to Winnipeg, and now they are the Winnipeg Jets, and represent the City of Winnipeg.

Fans in Winnipeg don't give a flying fox fart about which franchise is which, they are supporting the team that plays in Winnipeg and represents the City of Winnipeg.



D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 25 @ 8:42 AM ET


you guys have been so bad for 12 years!

yea well we have more cups than you!

why are you going into the past!?

- systemtool



Well, based on last years' regular season, and playoffs ........... the Senators are the best NHL team in Ontario.

Or is that going to far back in the past?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 25 @ 8:51 AM ET
Years ago I read a book on Bobby Hull ........... don't remember if he wrote is or what ever ........... but when talking about his decision to make the jump to the WHA, he recalled standing for the National Anthem in Chicago the season before, and did the math in his head, based on the attendance and the average ticket price, he determined that only after a few home games, the entire Chicago team's payroll for the season was pretty much taken care of ............. so he had no problem, in the following off-season, signing with the Jets of the WHA for an unheard of 1 Million dollars.



spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 8:52 AM ET
The Winnipeg Jets first played in the WHA, and represented the City of Winnipeg.

When the WHA merged with the NHL, the Jets continued to represent the City of Winnipeg.

The Jets then relocated to Arizona and changed their name.

The Atlanta Thrashers relocated to Winnipeg, and now they are the Winnipeg Jets, and represent the City of Winnipeg.

Fans in Winnipeg don't give a flying fox fart about which franchise is which, they are supporting the team that plays in Winnipeg and represents the City of Winnipeg.

- D0PPELGANGER


Amen!

If Jet fan say they are Jets, they are the Jets.. nobody cares about LEAF fans making like bar room lawyers in attempting to define their desired outcome.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 25 @ 8:55 AM ET
Well, based on last years' regular season, and playoffs ........... the Senators are the best NHL team in Ontario.

Or is that going to far back in the past?

- D0PPELGANGER


Great story on Sens prospects (Brown and Formenton).

http://www.ottawasun.com/...ce-to-stick-with-senators
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