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twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Sep 16 @ 12:52 PM ET
I'm not your tag team partner ............. and don't always agree with the rabbit holes you decide to go down, ................. I'll inject myself into a debate when I see fit.
- D0PPELGANGER

BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If I was GM I'd trade for the pick right behind the Canucks every year - Nucker101, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Sep 16 @ 1:15 PM ET
Actually some things are worthy of a serious response.

Three weeks before on June 3 we saw the terrorist attack on London bridge. The summer before, we remember the horrendous Bastille Day truck slamming in France. Crowd security measures are ramped up in the national capitals of every NATO country.

I remember the day (October 22, 2014) we had the terror attack at the national war remembrance site and the killing of a ceremonial guard standing watch. This attack continued into the halls of Parliament ending in a shootout and the killing of the terrorist.

We remember the Canadian soldier standing guard for us: Nathan Carrillo
This reporter says there was too much emphasis on security.

We disagree.

- spatso



Cirillo

Cpl. Nathan Cirillo.

If you're going to say you remember him then have the decency to spell his name correctly.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 16 @ 1:38 PM ET
Leaf fans have been losers for so long they simply accept failure as the primary default options. Losing is what losers do!

No matter who suits up Monday night the outcome matters.

Your just beg whimpy marshmellows if you don't care about the SEns prospects coming back to win from a 3 goal deficit.

Come on guys, you need to grow a set. I am starting to feel sorry for you. Suck it up, a team least pretend that you care.

- spatso




Is there some word that means worse than "rattled"?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 16 @ 1:39 PM ET
If there is no NHL team in a particular market, fans will gravitate to another team, in another market.

For the last 4 or 5 generations, prior to the Senators return to the NHL, fans in the Ottawa market had no choice but to become Montreal fans, toronto fans, Boston fans or whatever.

But 50 years from now, the majority of NHL fans in Ottawa, will be Ottawa Senator fans.

- D0PPELGANGER


There is literally nothing to suggest this is true.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 16 @ 1:41 PM ET
One would expect this.

And yet, a certain Ottawa resident was so insecure he had to compare a duck that was a minor, minor part of a celebration, to the transformers Ottawa had, a month after Canada day, that was apparently the highlight.

- Feeling Glucky?



Apparently Ottawa was not equipped to handle large crowds on Canada Day.

On the other hand, it is tough to blame them, they aren't used to large crowds.
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If I was GM I'd trade for the pick right behind the Canucks every year - Nucker101, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Sep 16 @ 3:16 PM ET
There is literally nothing to suggest this is true.
- Aetherial

There is nothing to suggest that there will even be an NHL franchise there in 50 years. Recent events would suggest there won't be. Not a good situation.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver is ashamed to select Jake Virtanen
Joined: 04.03.2016

Sep 16 @ 4:01 PM ET
Phaneuf is a better Dman than anyone on the Leaf roster. You realize you signed Ron Hainsey?
- spatso


This post could be expected from someone with massive bias that impedes his ability to utter meaningful and logical statements, so it is not surprising there Spatso. Rielly, and Zaitsev played for team North America and team Russia respectively in the 2016 World Cup of Hockey - which team did Phaneuf play for again? OH! wasn't even considered as a backup? OH!

Smell the coffee Spatso! Your team rescued Tom Pyatt from the scrap heap of a second rate Swiss League team - BECAUSE HE WAS CHEAP. REALLY SH!T BUT CHEAP. He would not make the Leaf's American League Team on his best day, but he played 82 games for the Sens. Might even be their next captain.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 16 @ 4:59 PM ET


Is there some word that means worse than "rattled"?

- Aetherial



spatso'd
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 16 @ 5:07 PM ET
This post could be expected from someone with massive bias that impedes his ability to utter meaningful and logical statements, so it is not surprising there Spatso. Rielly, and Zaitsev played for team North America and team Russia respectively in the 2016 World Cup of Hockey - which team did Phaneuf play for again? OH! wasn't even considered as a backup? OH!

Smell the coffee Spatso! Your team rescued Tom Pyatt from the scrap heap of a second rate Swiss League team - BECAUSE HE WAS CHEAP. REALLY SH!T BUT CHEAP. He would not make the Leaf's American League Team on his best day, but he played 82 games for the Sens. Might even be their next captain.

- winsix


The irony in all this is that Hainsey was a big factor in helping the Pens D on their cup run and Phaneufs team was one they defeated.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 16 @ 5:13 PM ET
Apparently Ottawa was not equipped to handle large crowds on Canada Day.

On the other hand, it is tough to blame them, they aren't used to large crowds.

- Aetherial


This was not an unusual crowd for Ottawa. It is an unusual time and if you read every response that was given in relation to the reporters complaints you see that they start with "our security partners."

You guys are sounding pretty lame discussing a subject you really don't understand very well.

Nobody knows what was the security concern of the day. But, you either trust your government or you don't.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 16 @ 5:24 PM ET
This post could be expected from someone with massive bias that impedes his ability to utter meaningful and logical statements, so it is not surprising there Spatso. Rielly, and Zaitsev played for team North America and team Russia respectively in the 2016 World Cup of Hockey - which team did Phaneuf play for again? OH! wasn't even considered as a backup? OH!

Smell the coffee Spatso! Your team rescued Tom Pyatt from the scrap heap of a second rate Swiss League team - BECAUSE HE WAS CHEAP. REALLY SH!T BUT CHEAP. He would not make the Leaf's American League Team on his best day, but he played 82 games for the Sens. Might even be their next captain.

- winsix


This is the same Morgan Reilly that was -20 over the season and a defensive nightmare on most shifts. Most of you that are real hockey fans know this to be true.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 16 @ 5:27 PM ET
The irony in all this is that Hainsey was a big factor in helping the Pens D on their cup run and Phaneufs team was one they defeated.
- systemtool


Hainsey actually played okay. But Leafs are playing with fire thinking they can start the season with him playing top 4.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 16 @ 5:28 PM ET
This is the same Morgan Reilly that was -20 over the season and a defensive nightmare on most shifts. Most of you that are real hockey fans know this to be true.
- spatso



Phaneuf was a minus too. and makes way more and is way older than Rielly. most hockey observers woukd take Rielly over Phaneuf all day and real hockey fans know this to be true.

systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 16 @ 5:29 PM ET
Hainsey actually played okay. But Leafs are playing with fire thinking they can start the season with him playing top 4.
- spatso



ditto with every sens dman not named Karlsson.

thing is Sens cant score like the Leafs so their defensove game has to be that much better. it will be hard to fluke into the playoffs again giving up more goals than they score.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 16 @ 5:34 PM ET
ditto with every sens dman not named Karlsson
- systemtool


OTTAWA SENATORS: Who replaces Marc Methot in the top four on ‘D’?

Methot was one of the Senators’ emotional leaders and, more importantly, Erik Karlsson’s regular partner on the top pair for many years. Ottawa lost Methot in the expansion draft. It had a pretty secure top four on defense, with Dion Phaneuf and Cody Ceci established as the second pair. What happens now? Phaneuf, a left shot, could move up to join Karlsson. The dream scenario would see elite prospect Thomas Chabot make the team out of camp this year and take one of the two left-defense spots in that top four. It seems very likely Chabot starts the year in the NHL with Karlsson expected to miss most games in October as he recovers from foot surgery.

Bet on: Phaneuf. Since Chabot’s strength is his mobility, it would be a bit redundant to pair him with Karlsson. Phaneuf at this stage of his career plays a simpler game than he used to and makes more sense to fill the Methot role. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see coach Guy Boucher try Chabot with Karlsson eventually, though, just to see if the two make pure magic together. Also keep an eye on Fredrik Claesson, who didn’t look out of place with Karlsson when Methot was hurt last year.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 16 @ 5:35 PM ET
OTTAWA SENATORS: Who replaces Marc Methot in the top four on ‘D’?

Methot was one of the Senators’ emotional leaders and, more importantly, Erik Karlsson’s regular partner on the top pair for many years. Ottawa lost Methot in the expansion draft. It had a pretty secure top four on defense, with Dion Phaneuf and Cody Ceci established as the second pair. What happens now? Phaneuf, a left shot, could move up to join Karlsson. The dream scenario would see elite prospect Thomas Chabot make the team out of camp this year and take one of the two left-defense spots in that top four. It seems very likely Chabot starts the year in the NHL with Karlsson expected to miss most games in October as he recovers from foot surgery.

Bet on: Phaneuf. Since Chabot’s strength is his mobility, it would be a bit redundant to pair him with Karlsson. Phaneuf at this stage of his career plays a simpler game than he used to and makes more sense to fill the Methot role. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see coach Guy Boucher try Chabot with Karlsson eventually, though, just to see if the two make pure magic together. Also keep an eye on Fredrik Claesson, who didn’t look out of place with Karlsson when Methot was hurt last year.

- spatso


karlsson better hurry back. sens will be a mess without him if hes gone for a long period.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ahead By A Century, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 16 @ 6:08 PM ET
This was not an unusual crowd for Ottawa. It is an unusual time and if you read every response that was given in relation to the reporters complaints you see that they start with "our security partners."

You guys are sounding pretty lame discussing a subject you really don't understand very well.

Nobody knows what was the security concern of the day. But, you either trust your government or you don't.

- spatso


Just like you when you attempt to talk hockey.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver is ashamed to select Jake Virtanen
Joined: 04.03.2016

Sep 16 @ 6:26 PM ET
This is the same Morgan Reilly that was -20 over the season and a defensive nightmare on most shifts. Most of you that are real hockey fans know this to be true.
- spatso


In 2010 -11, Karlsson (who as I mentioned earlier is a great D-man) was -30 in only 75 games played - not sure you want to go there. Anyone above a single digit IQ would agree that Rielly is an excellent player - he was a top pairing defenseman on that exceptional North American team. Every GM in the NHL would take him on their team without hesitation.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver is ashamed to select Jake Virtanen
Joined: 04.03.2016

Sep 16 @ 6:37 PM ET
OTTAWA SENATORS: Who replaces Marc Methot in the top four on ‘D’?

Methot was one of the Senators’ emotional leaders and, more importantly, Erik Karlsson’s regular partner on the top pair for many years. Ottawa lost Methot in the expansion draft. It had a pretty secure top four on defense, with Dion Phaneuf and Cody Ceci established as the second pair. What happens now? Phaneuf, a left shot, could move up to join Karlsson. The dream scenario would see elite prospect Thomas Chabot make the team out of camp this year and take one of the two left-defense spots in that top four. It seems very likely Chabot starts the year in the NHL with Karlsson expected to miss most games in October as he recovers from foot surgery.

Bet on: Phaneuf. Since Chabot’s strength is his mobility, it would be a bit redundant to pair him with Karlsson. Phaneuf at this stage of his career plays a simpler game than he used to and makes more sense to fill the Methot role. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see coach Guy Boucher try Chabot with Karlsson eventually, though, just to see if the two make pure magic together. Also keep an eye on Fredrik Claesson, who didn’t look out of place with Karlsson when Methot was hurt last year.

- spatso


Cut the crap Spatso - when Ottawa asked Phaneuf to wave his NTC - he gave the Sens the Italian salute. Ottawa had a deal in place with Vegas to eat a big chunk of the salary and they were going to include a package of at least a first rounder plus to take that boat anchor off your hands. Please stop pretending he is an asset. Not one team would take that contract without heavy compensation plus Eugene eating a significant chunk of it.

In case you aren't familiar with the Italian salute here is what Phaneuf told Ottawa:

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 16 @ 8:12 PM ET
Cut the crap Spatso - when Ottawa asked Phaneuf to wave his NTC - he gave the Sens the Italian salute. Ottawa had a deal in place with Vegas to eat a big chunk of the salary and they were going to include a package of at least a first rounder plus to take that boat anchor off your hands. Please stop pretending he is an asset. Not one team would take that contract without heavy compensation plus Eugene eating a significant chunk of it.

In case you aren't familiar with the Italian salute here is what Phaneuf told Ottawa:


- winsix


I think that report is from the Hockey News
TheCat29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.23.2012

Sep 16 @ 8:48 PM ET
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 16 @ 9:39 PM ET
This was not an unusual crowd for Ottawa. It is an unusual time and if you read every response that was given in relation to the reporters complaints you see that they start with "our security partners."

You guys are sounding pretty lame discussing a subject you really don't understand very well.

Nobody knows what was the security concern of the day. But, you either trust your government or you don't.

- spatso




I actually can't believe you missed the entire point, but I guess I should not be surprised.

The reason every response started with that was because it was a "canned" response.

The POINT was the organizers completely and utterly (frank)ed up and then they didn't even have the balls to address the concerns. They just issued a say nothing, canned response.

This had ZERO to do with security you idiot. It was a city fundamentally incapable of handling something significant.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 10:51 PM ET
Apparently Ottawa was not equipped to handle large crowds on Canada Day.

On the other hand, it is tough to blame them, they aren't used to large crowds.

- Aetherial



And the toronto crowd control unit has not been deployed for over fifty years.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 16 @ 11:04 PM ET
And the toronto crowd control unit has not been deployed for over fifty years.
- D0PPELGANGER

...


What?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 16 @ 11:05 PM ET
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