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burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 16 @ 9:18 AM ET
so a meaningless game means alot to you.

kind of sad.

but thanks for another display of your mental instability by bringing up Krosby and Mcdayvid for absolutely no reason. Mario and Gretsky would be proud.

- systemtool


Lol
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ahead By A Century, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 16 @ 9:25 AM ET
The scoreboard always matters. Even in an intrasquad game. Great players have this incredible desire to win. Karlsson carried an entire team on his back despite a fractured heel and damaged tendons. The desire to win was enough to overcome the limitations of pain and discomfort.

CRosby wins. McDavid wins. Being good without winning is just entertainment.

If Carleton the Bear and Sparticat go three rounds at center ice on MOnday night, I am cheering for the Cat.

- spatso


You spelled Anderson wrong, again.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ahead By A Century, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 16 @ 9:26 AM ET
Leaf fans have been losers for so long they simply accept failure as the primary default options. Losing is what losers do!

No matter who suits up Monday night the outcome matters.

Your just beg whimpy marshmellows if you don't care about the SEns prospects coming back to win from a 3 goal deficit.

Come on guys, you need to grow a set. I am starting to feel sorry for you. Suck it up, a team least pretend that you care.

- spatso


That's why the Sens have never won.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ahead By A Century, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 16 @ 9:27 AM ET
Sens played most of the season without rookies. This year they will likely play 2or 3 coming out of camp and may get to 5 by season end. Leafs probably break camp without a significant rookie addition.

I wonder how quickly Leaf fans stop talking about rookies.

- spatso


Because they were too busy playing 7 last season in the greatest rookie crop in the history of the league.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver is ashamed to select Jake Virtanen
Joined: 04.03.2016

Sep 16 @ 9:57 AM ET
Sens played most of the season without rookies. This year they will likely play 2or 3 coming out of camp and may get to 5 by season end. Leafs probably break camp without a significant rookie addition.

I wonder how quickly Leaf fans stop talking about rookies.

- spatso


Sorry to burst your bubble there Spatso - there are not 5 NHL caliber players in the Sens minor league system. You are fantasizing here.


D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 10:27 AM ET
There wasn't an NHL franchise in Ottawa for a long time... though I guess the argument can be made that the market isn't really great for a team.
- Feeling Glucky?



If there is no NHL team in a particular market, fans will gravitate to another team, in another market.

For the last 4 or 5 generations, prior to the Senators return to the NHL, fans in the Ottawa market had no choice but to become Montreal fans, toronto fans, Boston fans or whatever.

But 50 years from now, the majority of NHL fans in Ottawa, will be Ottawa Senator fans.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 10:30 AM ET
But Dopps was on here saying how much better Ottawa is because of their 150 events, like the giant transformers he didn't go see!
- Feeling Glucky?




News Flash ; Ottawa is Canada's Capital ............ the Canada 150 celebrations in the Capital were more likely better than anywhere else in the Country ........... whodathunk?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 10:31 AM ET
So what are you saying about Karlsson? That he's leaving, or that he's a loser?
- Feeling Glucky?



Yeah he's leaving............ to Join Bobby Ryan with the Flyers like you and others said was carved in stone ......
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 10:34 AM ET
Sens played most of the season without rookies. This year they will likely play 2or 3 coming out of camp and may get to 5 by season end. Leafs probably break camp without a significant rookie addition.

I wonder how quickly Leaf fans stop talking about rookies.

- spatso



The only playing time rookies will get this season, will be when they're replacing injured regular NHLers .......... IF all Senators, with current contracts were healthy, there is no room on the roster for a rookie ................. unless a rookie actually wins a job by taking a job away for one of the current NHLers.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 10:36 AM ET
Hey Dopps.

You need to take over.

I am going fishing and internet connections from cottage are pretty spotty.

Not much challenge this morning. Leafs are playing their minor team and comments are pretty tame.

I expect the commentary will become more elevated after the first exhibition game Monday night.

- spatso




I'm not your tag team partner ............. and don't always agree with the rabbit holes you decide to go down, ................. I'll inject myself into a debate when I see fit.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 16 @ 10:39 AM ET
Yeah, but that's one game per week in the summer and the Roughriders are a religion. Probably 15,000 of those tickets are sold to people outside the city of Regina who travel every week to the game.

Trying to drive 3 or more hours to Saskatoon in the middle of winter for a hockey game on a wednesday is a different story.

On top of that, there's the whole TV/Corporate Support thing. Saskatchewan is a tv market of only 1 million people and there are very few large corporations based in the province. There's not a lot of corporate money to throw around here, especially when competing for sponsors with the Roughriders and the Rush.

Saskatoon only has 300k people in and around it. It's a pretty tough sell.

- BINGO!

Also, I think an entire CFL squad can be had for the price you pay some NHLers. Makes ticket prices pretty flexible.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver is ashamed to select Jake Virtanen
Joined: 04.03.2016

Sep 16 @ 10:41 AM ET
I'm not your tag team partner ............. and don't always agree with the rabbit holes you decide to go down, ................. I'll inject myself into a debate when I see fit.
- D0PPELGANGER






Sorry Spatso
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 16 @ 10:44 AM ET
If there is no NHL team in a particular market, fans will gravitate to another team, in another market.

For the last 4 or 5 generations, prior to the Senators return to the NHL, fans in the Ottawa market had no choice but to become Montreal fans, toronto fans, Boston fans or whatever.

But 50 years from now, the majority of NHL fans in Ottawa, will be Ottawa Senator fans.

- D0PPELGANGER

Unsurprisingly, you missed the point.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 16 @ 10:46 AM ET
Yeah he's leaving............ to Join Bobby Ryan with the Flyers like you and others said was carved in stone ......
- D0PPELGANGER



Pretty sure most Sens fans wish that had happened.

I didn't say he's leaving, i was asking if he wanted to be a winner, or if he wanted to stay in Ottawa.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 16 @ 10:47 AM ET
The only playing time rookies will get this season, will be when they're replacing injured regular NHLers .......... IF all Senators, with current contracts were healthy, there is no room on the roster for a rookie ................. unless a rookie actually wins a job by taking a job away for one of the current NHLers.
- D0PPELGANGER

When Phaneuf is your second best dman, there's room for rookies.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver is ashamed to select Jake Virtanen
Joined: 04.03.2016

Sep 16 @ 10:49 AM ET
Yeah he's leaving............ to Join Bobby Ryan with the Flyers like you and others said was carved in stone ......
- D0PPELGANGER


Karlsson is an excellent d-man, easily one of the two or three best in the league. Re-signing him will be a tough go for the Sens. It's not out of the realm of possibility but as a top d-man, the Phaneuf and Ryan deals make signing Karlsson for 12 million a year a diffiicult situation. Adding to the problem for the Sens is the fact that the owner has issues and the team was 20th in revenue - barely making a profit, despite a non-cap payroll and playing 3 long playoff rounds. The other factor that we do not know for sure is, how much does Karlsson want to play for a contender. If that is a factor, Sens will lose him for sure, as realistically the Sens are not a contender.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 16 @ 10:51 AM ET
News Flash ; Ottawa is Canada's Capital ............ the Canada 150 celebrations in the Capital were more likely better than anywhere else in the Country ........... whodathunk?

- D0PPELGANGER

One would expect this.

And yet, a certain Ottawa resident was so insecure he had to compare a duck that was a minor, minor part of a celebration, to the transformers Ottawa had, a month after Canada day, that was apparently the highlight.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 16 @ 10:53 AM ET
Karlsson is an excellent d-man, easily one of the two or three best in the league. Re-signing him will be a tough go for the Sens. It's not out of the realm of possibility but as a top d-man, the Phaneuf and Ryan deals make signing Karlsson for 12 million a year a diffiicult situation. Adding to the problem for the Sens is the fact that the owner has issues and the team was 20th in revenue - barely making a profit, despite a non-cap payroll and playing 3 long playoff rounds. The other factor that we do not know for sure is, how much does Karlsson want to play for a contender. If that is a factor, Sens will lose him for sure, as realistically the Sens are not a contender.
- winsix


The truth is, either Karlsson wants to leave Ottawa, or he isn't the personality you want build a cup winner around.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 16 @ 11:12 AM ET
id love Karlsson on the Leafs. never going to happen but hes a phenomenal player. the rest of the roster is pretty undesireable to be honest.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 16 @ 11:24 AM ET
id love Karlsson on the Leafs. never going to happen but hes a phenomenal player. the rest of the roster is pretty undesireable to be honest.
- systemtool

Karlsson deciding to join the Leafs would signal that he has what it takes to win a cup.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 16 @ 11:25 AM ET
id love Karlsson on the Leafs. never going to happen but hes a phenomenal player. the rest of the roster is pretty undesireable to be honest.
- systemtool


their forwards are ok. no real game-breakers, but a few good players. i'd take stone on the leafs.

the defense after carlsun is pretty much the worst in the league.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 16 @ 11:37 AM ET
their forwards are ok. no real game-breakers, but a few good players. i'd take stone on the leafs.

the defense after carlsun is pretty much the worst in the league.

- Tumbleweed



they have two or three good forwards. but the Leafs have guys like them already in JVR for example. Nothing really upgrading anyone in our top 6 maybe even 9.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 16 @ 11:58 AM ET
When Phaneuf is your second best dman, there's room for rookies.
- Feeling Glucky?


Phaneuf is a better Dman than anyone on the Leaf roster. You realize you signed Ron Hainsey?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 16 @ 12:06 PM ET
Phaneuf is a better Dman than anyone on the Leaf roster. You realize you signed Ron Hainsey?
- spatso

Your first sentence contradicts your second sentence.

Phaneuf at this point in his career is roughly on Marincin's level, and would be competing with him and Polak, to try and stay ahead of the rookies.

Is mrs spastic still packing? Maybe you should lend a hand!
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 16 @ 12:11 PM ET
their forwards are ok. no real game-breakers, but a few good players. i'd take stone on the leafs.

the defense after carlsun is pretty much the worst in the league.

- Tumbleweed

A third line of Marleau-Kadri-Stone would be impressive, but I feel Brown would be wasted on the fourth. I'd rather invest the money in defensemen.

Honestly, there isn't a single forward in Ottawa that wouldn't get bumped down a line or two if they came to Toronto. Crazy.

Edit: maybe Hoffman. Does he play LW? Still, Babcock seems to really like Hyman on the top line. Hopefully his SH% moves towards league average this season.
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