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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 10 @ 11:21 AM ET
Lee sent Chabot home for the summer with some harsh words about an “average” camp from the club’s 18th overall selection at the 2015 NHL entry draft.


This is a good quote as well.....


I hope that Dermott plays tonight.

I'm not all that shocked at lilgren performance, basically came as advertised. Exceptional skating and puck skills, needs work defensively. Not all that surprising that a new draft pick from overseas didn't have lights out performance. He performed very well at the world junior showcase, one game here isn't going to determine his future.

- burn


Yes last year Lee really unloaded saying he was not playing to his full potential. He went out and was the best player in the Q and ended up being the first Dman ever to be named best player in the WJC. It is one thing to have talent. It is another to have the drive to be the best.

I think game is 4:00 this afternoon. Streamed on several sources.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 10 @ 11:32 AM ET
I heard rumours that the new stadium might only have 15-17000 seats.

Interesting stuff.

- Feeling Glucky?


Trend is towards smaller buildings without loss of revenues. From recent article on building downsizing.

"WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

First and foremost, reducing the number of seats in an arena does not necessarily correlate to a reduction in the popularity of a team or sport. It is more directly related to a shift in generational and cultural values and the public’s desire to attend traditional live events – A shift from the traditional “sitting in a seat” to a need for enhanced, variable and dynamic experiences. In short, arena sizes aren’t drastically changing, but the contents and uses inside the arena are (continuously) evolving. And this will continue."
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ahead By A Century, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 10 @ 12:11 PM ET
Ddint see the game. Wont see ths game against the Habs tomorrow either. Taking the boy to Wonderland. How bad was St.Timothy?

I remember last rookie tournament Marner didn't even get a point. or goal. i forget which.

Leafs will mold thr boy if hes willing to work hard enough.

- systemtool


One of the goals Montreal scored, Liljegrin handed it right to them. It was Karlsson-esque, actually. Like this, except the Montreal player last day wristed it home. He didn't have all the time in the world to wind up and blast it like this goal Karlsson gave away-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl1tw8iTL9I
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 10 @ 12:30 PM ET
One of the goals Montreal scored, Liljegrin handed it right to them. It was Karlsson-esque, actually. Like this, except the Montreal player last day wristed it home. He didn't have all the time in the world to wind up and blast it like this goal Karlsson gave away-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl1tw8iTL9I

- GreatGigInTheSky


I remember when rookie Daniel Alfredsen turned Ray Bourque inside out and went around him to score a goal. Great players get beaten. Especially great players that dominate puck possession. The fact that Sydney Crosby ranks very high in give aways does not mean he is not a good puck handler. It merely reflects the amount of time where he handles the puck and especially those cases where the play goes through him.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 10 @ 12:57 PM ET
Stream it live here: http://ottsens.com/2gW8KcR

Game starts 4:00pm this afternoon.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 10 @ 6:43 PM ET
Absolutely great fun game. How can you not love the effort and energy put out by the kids on both teams?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 10 @ 6:49 PM ET
https://www.nhl.com/video...rs/t-281013894/c-40472703


2 - 0 for the leafs
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 10 @ 7:10 PM ET
https://www.nhl.com/video/live-maple-leafs-vs-senators/t-281013894/c-40472703


2 - 0 for the leafs

- D0PPELGANGER


Keep watching I won't ruin it for you. But you need to watch it through to the end.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: degenerate gamblers like yourself usually end up getting the big payoff. just keep at it.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Sep 10 @ 9:53 PM ET
Keep watching I won't ruin it for you. But you need to watch it through to the end.
- spatso




The Sens winning classic.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 10 @ 10:05 PM ET


The Sens winning classic.

- Aetherial


Clasic summer talk
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 10 @ 11:07 PM ET
The Sens rookies score 3 unanswered goals in the third period and Max Lajoie ended it in the shootout to finish the Rookie Tournament 2-0.


Still hate the shootout.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 11 @ 3:07 AM ET
Clasic summer talk
- Tumbleweed


Duh...the rookie tournament for me is the official end of summer talk. You have real ice, players, pucks and a scoreboard. Winning and losing is not all that important other than giving context for the individual effort of the players.

Summer talk was the irrational speculation that Liljegren was the steal of the draft and the next Karlsson. I like the kids game. Skating is really good. But. Now we can give some context from actual performance as we head into training camp.

I enjoy the exhibition games for much the same reasons.

Great comment during the game when it was noted that players were auditioning to play in the NHL someday. Most will not make it. A few will actually play for the NHL team that drafted them. Some will break into the league with other teams that deal for them or pick them up.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ahead By A Century, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 11 @ 8:12 AM ET
Duh...the rookie tournament for me is the official end of summer talk. You have real ice, players, pucks and a scoreboard. Winning and losing is not all that important other than giving context for the individual effort of the players.

Summer talk was the irrational speculation that Liljegren was the steal of the draft and the next Karlsson. I like the kids game. Skating is really good. But. Now we can give some context from actual performance as we head into training camp.

I enjoy the exhibition games for much the same reasons.

Great comment during the game when it was noted that players were auditioning to play in the NHL someday. Most will not make it. A few will actually play for the NHL team that drafted them. Some will break into the league with other teams that deal for them or pick them up.

- spatso


That's exactly who he reminds me of. The kid has obvious offensive talent but is weak defensively.

Only question is, can he get as good as Karlsson offensively. 'Cause he's already as bad as him defensively.

I don't think he'll ever be as good offensively as Karlsson is but I do think he'll be good. So just gotta hope he can get better defensively.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Sep 11 @ 8:25 AM ET
That's exactly who he reminds me of. The kid has obvious offensive talent but is weak defensively.

Only question is, can he get as good as Karlsson offensively. 'Cause he's already as bad as him defensively.

I don't think he'll ever be as good offensively as Karlsson is but I do think he'll be good. So just gotta hope he can get better defensively.

- GreatGigInTheSky




Please explain what stats you're using to make the claim that Karlsson is "bad defensively" .......... and where he ranks defensively, compared to other offensive type D men in the NHL.



Thanks




EDIT: It's been an hour ...............crickets
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 11 @ 8:31 AM ET
That's exactly who he reminds me of. The kid has obvious offensive talent but is weak defensively.

Only question is, can he get as good as Karlsson offensively. 'Cause he's already as bad as him defensively.

I don't think he'll ever be as good offensively as Karlsson is but I do think he'll be good. So just gotta hope he can get better defensively.

- GreatGigInTheSky


Great articles on just how complete a Dman Karlsson is. Your Leaf jealousy is on display this morning.

http://www.thehockeynews....lsson-is-better-than-ever

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...best-defenceman-on-earth/
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If I was GM I'd trade for the pick right behind the Canucks every year - Nucker101, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Sep 11 @ 8:55 AM ET
Well it's been decided that summer talk is over. Pretty soon, after some direct observation we'll be able to really discuss how the new 8 year 65 million dollar contract for Shattenkirk, and signing more geezers like Jagr and Markov that make the team one of the oldest in the league are affecting the Leafs.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 11 @ 9:07 AM ET
Well it's been decided that summer talk is over. Pretty soon, after some direct observation we'll be able to really discuss how the new 8 year 65 million dollar contract for Shattenkirk, and signing more geezers like Jagr and Markov that make the team one of the oldest in the league are affecting the Leafs.
- BlueBallz


Marleau?

Even worse than projected.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 11 @ 9:15 AM ET
Marleau?

Even worse than projected.

- spatso



What?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Sep 11 @ 9:32 AM ET
What?
- burn


Age: 38

Contract: $6.25m x
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 11 @ 9:47 AM ET
Well it's been decided that summer talk is over. Pretty soon, after some direct observation we'll be able to really discuss how the new 8 year 65 million dollar contract for Shattenkirk, and signing more geezers like Jagr and Markov that make the team one of the oldest in the league are affecting the Leafs.
- BlueBallz




Lots of summer talk still going on. I knew this tournament meant alot to sens fans and they would get over excited for such a meaningless tournament, which is why i wanted them to win all along.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 11 @ 10:01 AM ET
Age: 38

Contract: $6.25m x

- spatso



27 goals last year, settle down
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 11 @ 10:04 AM ET
27 goals last year, settle down
- burn



usual summer talk burnsie.

last summer spatso didn't even mention the rookie tournament in this thread. this year hes all over it. summer talk. what he did do though is pull a suck over the world championships because Matthews was getting too much attention.

this year the scoreboard starts with the rookie tournament. last summer scoreboard started with preseason. funny how it all works out. silly summer spatso talk.
BlueBallz
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If I was GM I'd trade for the pick right behind the Canucks every year - Nucker101, ON
Joined: 07.06.2012

Sep 11 @ 10:24 AM ET
usual summer talk burnsie.

last summer spatso didn't even mention the rookie tournament in this thread. this year hes all over it. summer talk. what he did do though is pull a suck over the world championships because Matthews was getting too much attention.

this year the scoreboard starts with the rookie tournament. last summer scoreboard started with preseason. funny how it all works out. silly summer spatso talk.

- systemtool

What I really want to know is why are are all the stupid Laffs boosters at the totally biased Toronto Sports Network (maker of the best summer talk prospect lists mind you) talking about this Doughty quote over the weekend with regards to the Leafs? They're going to look pretty silly when they finally realize that the Leafs already have their top RHD signed to that 8 year 65 million dollar contract. I mean they're the ones who reported those exact figures after all. I'm sure a quick google search should turn up several non Toronto Sports Network links to corroborate this.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 11 @ 10:25 AM ET
What I really want to know is why are are all the stupid Laffs boosters at the totally biased Toronto Sports Network (maker of the best summer talk prospect lists mind you) talking about this Doughty quote over the weekend with regards to the Leafs? They're going to look pretty silly when they finally realize that the Leafs already have their top RHD signed to that 8 year 65 million dollar contract. I mean they're the ones who reported those exact figures after all. I'm sure a quick google search should turn up several non Toronto Sports Network links to corroborate this.
- BlueBallz



I agree. With the Markov and Shattenkirk signings i dont see how they fit anyone else on D. Summer talk.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 11 @ 10:28 AM ET
Please explain what stats you're using to make the claim that Karlsson is "bad defensively" .......... and where he ranks defensively, compared to other offensive type D men in the NHL.



Thanks




EDIT: It's been an hour ...............crickets

- D0PPELGANGER



Anyone who knocks Karlsson for any reason is a complete idiot. phenomenal talent, so exciting and fun to watch. Only sens player ive ever been jealous of.
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