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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 5 @ 11:09 AM ET


The hang-up with the Marleau deal is unquestionably its term. More specifically, it’s how the third year overlaps with the next progression in the maple leafs’ inexact rise: negotiating and housing the second contracts of Matthews, Nylander and Marner.

On the flip side, the third year was without a doubt the sticking point for Marleau, who had all the leverage as a coveted asset entertaining the idea of uprooting his family after two decades in the sunshine of San Jose.

Just how Marleau’s term will impact the leafs is anyone’s guess, but it’s hard to imagine that this rigid deal (one retirement-proof and complete with a no-move) won’t cost them dearly.

toronto had a fixed period to spend, and stepped outside of it. It’s legitimately problematic. And that’s before considering the uncertainty of what Marleau will actually be when that third year rolls around.

Diminishing asset

Almost 38 and well into the back nine for is career, Marleau is beyond his prime. That said, he’s still scoring goals at a consistently solid rate, having maintained an average of 26 goals over the last four years and a 27-goal effort in 2016-17.

Other evaluations, though, indicate that his overall effectiveness as an attacking player is diminishing, and at a relatively steep rate. His 94 points in 164 games over the last two seasons works out to 0.57 points per game, a rate that barely sneaks inside the top 150 in the NHL. (His career mark is 0.72.)

And declining quicker than his overall production is the amount of shots he’s placing on target from season to season. His 190 shots last year were his lowest in a decade, and 95 fewer than what he registered in the seventh 30-goal season of his career four years ago.

Basically every offensive measure suggests that Marleau’s impact is fading, and should continue to subside. Regrettably, this won’t be reflected in an annual wage fixed into his 40s.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m,...you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 5 @ 11:11 AM ET


The hang-up with the Marleau deal is unquestionably its term. More specifically, it’s how the third year overlaps with the next progression in the maple leafs’ inexact rise: negotiating and housing the second contracts of Matthews, Nylander and Marner.

On the flip side, the third year was without a doubt the sticking point for Marleau, who had all the leverage as a coveted asset entertaining the idea of uprooting his family after two decades in the sunshine of San Jose.

Just how Marleau’s term will impact the leafs is anyone’s guess, but it’s hard to imagine that this rigid deal (one retirement-proof and complete with a no-move) won’t cost them dearly.

toronto had a fixed period to spend, and stepped outside of it. It’s legitimately problematic. And that’s before considering the uncertainty of what Marleau will actually be when that third year rolls around.

Diminishing asset

Almost 38 and well into the back nine for is career, Marleau is beyond his prime. That said, he’s still scoring goals at a consistently solid rate, having maintained an average of 26 goals over the last four years and a 27-goal effort in 2016-17.

Other evaluations, though, indicate that his overall effectiveness as an attacking player is diminishing, and at a relatively steep rate. His 94 points in 164 games over the last two seasons works out to 0.57 points per game, a rate that barely sneaks inside the top 150 in the NHL. (His career mark is 0.72.)

And declining quicker than his overall production is the amount of shots he’s placing on target from season to season. His 190 shots last year were his lowest in a decade, and 95 fewer than what he registered in the seventh 30-goal season of his career four years ago.

Basically every offensive measure suggests that Marleau’s impact is fading, and should continue to subside. Regrettably, this won’t be reflected in an annual wage fixed into his 40s.

- D0PPELGANGER


Thanks d0pss.

You could have just wrote marleau is declining, he’ll probably be good this year, 50/50 he’ll still be good next year and likely won’t be good the 3rd year.

Leafs will have to figure out how to exit the deal in the 3rd year or it could cause them to lose a player they don’t want to lose.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 5 @ 11:13 AM ET


The hang-up with the Marleau deal is unquestionably its term. More specifically, it’s how the third year overlaps with the next progression in the maple leafs’ inexact rise: negotiating and housing the second contracts of Matthews, Nylander and Marner.

On the flip side, the third year was without a doubt the sticking point for Marleau, who had all the leverage as a coveted asset entertaining the idea of uprooting his family after two decades in the sunshine of San Jose.

Just how Marleau’s term will impact the leafs is anyone’s guess, but it’s hard to imagine that this rigid deal (one retirement-proof and complete with a no-move) won’t cost them dearly.

toronto had a fixed period to spend, and stepped outside of it. It’s legitimately problematic. And that’s before considering the uncertainty of what Marleau will actually be when that third year rolls around.

Diminishing asset

Almost 38 and well into the back nine for is career, Marleau is beyond his prime. That said, he’s still scoring goals at a consistently solid rate, having maintained an average of 26 goals over the last four years and a 27-goal effort in 2016-17.

Other evaluations, though, indicate that his overall effectiveness as an attacking player is diminishing, and at a relatively steep rate. His 94 points in 164 games over the last two seasons works out to 0.57 points per game, a rate that barely sneaks inside the top 150 in the NHL. (His career mark is 0.72.)

And declining quicker than his overall production is the amount of shots he’s placing on target from season to season. His 190 shots last year were his lowest in a decade, and 95 fewer than what he registered in the seventh 30-goal season of his career four years ago.

Basically every offensive measure suggests that Marleau’s impact is fading, and should continue to subside. Regrettably, this won’t be reflected in an annual wage fixed into his 40s.

- D0PPELGANGER


Marleau is declining there is no doubt..but it could always be worse


BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: It really sounds like Satan, tbh., SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jul 5 @ 11:14 AM ET
Boyle is better
- Aetherial

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jul 5 @ 11:32 AM ET
Marleau is declining there is no doubt..but it could always be worse



- senstroll




Yeah, Nate Thompson's (Age 32) @ a $1.65 M Cap hit for 2 years, with a 10-team no trade list, can be bought or traded, contract ........ ........... is EXACTLY the same as Marleau's (over age 35) 3 year $6.25 M Cap hit, complete NMC, and can't be bought out (or traded) contract.

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: If they sign Shattenkirk at 8 years for $65m,...you guys are going to look somewhat silly.spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 5 @ 11:36 AM ET
Yeah, Nate Thompson's (Age 32) @ a $1.65 M Cap hit for 2 years, with a 10-team no trade list, can be bought or traded, contract ........ ........... is EXACTLY the same as Marleau's (over age 35) 3 year $6.25 M Cap hit, complete NMC, and can't be bought out (or traded) contract.


- D0PPELGANGER


In theory, yes, you can buyout thompson’s contract. But Melnyk is too cheap to buyout a contract. Just look at the hamburgler.

And nobody is trading for a ahl player on an nhl contract…without sending a similar piece of junk back.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jul 5 @ 11:42 AM ET
Yeah, Nate Thompson's (Age 32) @ a $1.65 M Cap hit for 2 years, with a 10-team no trade list, can be bought or traded, contract ........ ........... is EXACTLY the same as Marleau's (over age 35) 3 year $6.25 M Cap hit, complete NMC, and can't be bought out (or traded) contract.


- D0PPELGANGER

Leafs have a history of dumping undesireable contracts, with a higher cap hit than actual salary. You should know that, as a Sens fan.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I could probably easily be a better GM than 10 or so guys who are currently employed." Tanner , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:48 AM ET
If you enjoy arguing with d0pps, may I recommend some other fine & carefully curated threads that span several other topics?

Things You Don't Understand V
this is a very fine thread where d0pps complains about liberals complaining about conservatives. it is the fifth edition of this riveting topic.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com...143800&page=last#17790167

Election Night 2016
this exquisite thread is an excellent forum for d0pps to post memes in support of his idol and the big daddy of his dreams, donald trump
http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hread_id=139238&page=last

Man Made Global Warming ▒▒▒▒ Maybe? ▒▒▒
this excellent thread has been debated for centuries. scientists are idiots and have no idea what is going on. big oil has never been more right. the facts are there. just see the REAL evidence. d0pps will show you.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hread_id=138071&page=last

- twiztedmike



A multi-platform idiot.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 5 @ 11:51 AM ET


The hang-up with the Marleau deal is unquestionably its term. More specifically, it’s how the third year overlaps with the next progression in the maple leafs’ inexact rise: negotiating and housing the second contracts of Matthews, Nylander and Marner.

On the flip side, the third year was without a doubt the sticking point for Marleau, who had all the leverage as a coveted asset entertaining the idea of uprooting his family after two decades in the sunshine of San Jose.

Just how Marleau’s term will impact the leafs is anyone’s guess, but it’s hard to imagine that this rigid deal (one retirement-proof and complete with a no-move) won’t cost them dearly.

toronto had a fixed period to spend, and stepped outside of it. It’s legitimately problematic. And that’s before considering the uncertainty of what Marleau will actually be when that third year rolls around.

Diminishing asset

Almost 38 and well into the back nine for is career, Marleau is beyond his prime. That said, he’s still scoring goals at a consistently solid rate, having maintained an average of 26 goals over the last four years and a 27-goal effort in 2016-17.

Other evaluations, though, indicate that his overall effectiveness as an attacking player is diminishing, and at a relatively steep rate. His 94 points in 164 games over the last two seasons works out to 0.57 points per game, a rate that barely sneaks inside the top 150 in the NHL. (His career mark is 0.72.)

And declining quicker than his overall production is the amount of shots he’s placing on target from season to season. His 190 shots last year were his lowest in a decade, and 95 fewer than what he registered in the seventh 30-goal season of his career four years ago.

Basically every offensive measure suggests that Marleau’s impact is fading, and should continue to subside. Regrettably, this won’t be reflected in an annual wage fixed into his 40s.

- D0PPELGANGER


Why bother posting only the half of the article.
Is your point so flimsy that you aren't even secure enough to post the balanced view?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 5 @ 11:55 AM ET
Why bother posting only the half of the article.
Is your point so flimsy that you aren't even secure enough to post the balanced view?

- Aetherial



if he trolls the Marleau contract hard enough the Bobby Ryan and Phaneuf contracts will disappear..
SofaKingBored
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 10.13.2006

Jul 5 @ 11:59 AM ET
There's no way DERPS and spazz are real... Ashton Kutcher is about to login yelling PUNKD!!!
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jul 5 @ 12:00 PM ET
If you enjoy arguing with d0pps, may I recommend some other fine & carefully curated threads that span several other topics?

Things You Don't Understand V
this is a very fine thread where d0pps complains about liberals complaining about conservatives. it is the fifth edition of this riveting topic.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com...143800&page=last#17790167

Election Night 2016
this exquisite thread is an excellent forum for d0pps to post memes in support of his idol and the big daddy of his dreams, donald trump
http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hread_id=139238&page=last

Man Made Global Warming ▒▒▒▒ Maybe? ▒▒▒
this excellent thread has been debated for centuries. scientists are idiots and have no idea what is going on. big oil has never been more right. the facts are there. just see the REAL evidence. d0pps will show you.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hread_id=138071&page=last

- twiztedmike







Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 5 @ 12:17 PM ET
Yeah, Nate Thompson's (Age 32) @ a $1.65 M Cap hit for 2 years, with a 10-team no trade list, can be bought or traded, contract ........ ........... is EXACTLY the same as Marleau's (over age 35) 3 year $6.25 M Cap hit, complete NMC, and can't be bought out (or traded) contract.


- D0PPELGANGER


Phaneuf
Ryan
Smith
MacArthur

22+ million on the books in poopty salary when you need to resign Karlsson.

In the meantime Turris and Stone will be due for significant raises and what the hell are you going to do for a goalie?

So you want to talk about cap situation vs. talent?


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