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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 29 @ 11:07 AM ET
I don't believe the Sens ever intended to see both Phaneuf and Methot go. I do believe they wanted to move the salary for one of them.

I think moving Methot was a difficult visual. Local boy, loves Ottawa, just built new home and just had a new baby.

But let's be honest Phaneuf is the better Dman by a good deal. He is the same age as Methot and is in great shape. Commentary during the playoffs was that Phaneuf was playing up to play in Calgary.

I understand the difficulty Leaf fans have with Phaneuf.

There are no UFA's of Phaneuf's quality available.

The Sens are better for having Phaneuf.

The Leafs are lesser for not having a character and quality like Phaneuf.

This is an issue for Leaf media and fans. Your all going to have to learn to deal with it.

- spatso


Look's like your running your famous special again!


spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:10 AM ET
I think Dorion is actually really smart in this - going out of his way to ensure he has no players that would warrant a large pay raise.

If you're not trying to win, you don't have to pay! No wonder Melnyk keeps him employed!

- Feeling Glucky?


Curios how you try and rationalize a team going to double overtime in game 7 of the ECF as somehow not trying to win.

Leaf fans have lived for so long in a culture of losing they have lost perspective on just how hard it is to go deep into the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Perhaps we might listen without laughing if you actually won a round.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:11 AM ET
I don't believe the Sens ever intended to see both Phaneuf and Methot go. I do believe they wanted to move the salary for one of them.

I think moving Methot was a difficult visual. Local boy, loves Ottawa, just built new home and just had a new baby.

But let's be honest Phaneuf is the better Dman by a good deal. He is the same age as Methot and is in great shape. Commentary during the playoffs was that Phaneuf was playing up to play in Calgary.

I understand the difficulty Leaf fans have with Phaneuf.

There are no UFA's of Phaneuf's quality available.

The Sens are better for having Phaneuf.

The Leafs are lesser for not having a character and quality like Phaneuf.

This is an issue for Leaf media and fans. Your all going to have to learn to deal with it.

- spatso


Most commentary I saw was how Methot was the primary reason Crosby was having trouble.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:15 AM ET
Matthews and Eichel are probably close to the same
- senstroll


Perhaps.

We know that Eichle and Matthews will get paid off of the McDavid read.

I assume that Marner and Nylander will read off of the Draisaitl deal projected to come in at $9.5m.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:20 AM ET
Most commentary I saw was how Methot was the primary reason Crosby was having trouble.
- prock


Karlsson usually lines up against the other team's top player. He has a history of outplaying them.

Nobody, including Methot has ever suggested that Karlsson was so effective because of his partner.

Claesson's numbers are better than Methot when partnered with Karlsson.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:24 AM ET
Yeah, I think you're right.

A good read on that issue, is Michael Traikos article in today's paper.

http://www.ottawasun.com/...-oilers-into-win-now-mode

he kinda insinuates that the leafs "window" for a Cup is between now and the end of the 2018 season

- D0PPELGANGER


It is not the first time that thought has been mentioned.

History has shown us (Pitt, Chicago) that you can have at least 2 superstar contracts and be successful.

I see the theory, I just don't buy it. The Leafs don't have long term salary problems in the slightest.

You might as well same the same thing about Edmonton.

Actually... Edmonton has a legit shot at going to the SCF this year.

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: everyday i see my dream
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 29 @ 11:25 AM ET
Karlsson usually lines up against the other team's top player. He has a history of outplaying them.

Nobody, including Methot has ever suggested that Karlsson was so effective because of his partner.

Claesson's numbers are better than Methot when partnered with Karlsson.

- spatso


look at you and your red coloured classes. it's unbelievable how easily you forgot crosby utterly dominating him. why do sens fans not want to talk about this?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GMTM on Eichel: "He certainly won't get his pee pee slapped by me for being a little more outspoken., ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:26 AM ET
Really, best Dman on the planet and a team that went to the ECF.

Great group of rookie prospects coming in and upwards of $20m coming off the books from season end.

Pretty sound job of asset management if you ask me.

- spatso



Money coming off the cap is wonderful, I as a leaf fan am thrilled that the leaf have a bunch if money coming off the cap (that used to be on the sens cap)

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:28 AM ET
Really, best Dman on the planet and a team that went to the ECF.

Great group of rookie prospects coming in and upwards of $20m coming off the books from season end.

Pretty sound job of asset management if you ask me.

- spatso




Rookies are nothing until proven otherwise ... like ALL the leafs rookies did during the greatest rookie season ever.

budget team with Phaneuf, Smith and Ryan on the books for what 17.5 million into the year they have to re-sign Karlsson. Not to mention MacArthur and what may or may not happen there.

Losing Methot to a goalie prospect and a 2nd in 2020.

yeah, great asset management. You better hope those rookies become 1st year all stars. Sadly, they won't.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:30 AM ET
Karlsson usually lines up against the other team's top player. He has a history of outplaying them.

Nobody, including Methot has ever suggested that Karlsson was so effective because of his partner.

Claesson's numbers are better than Methot when partnered with Karlsson.

- spatso


I see the game now.

It is a new saviour as soon as the old saviour becomes garbage or is gone.

What happens next year when Chabot doesn't play in the NHL and White shows what he really is, which is somewhere below Jimmy Vesey.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 29 @ 11:32 AM ET
Curios how you try and rationalize a team going to double overtime in game 7 of the ECF as somehow not trying to win.

Leaf fans have lived for so long in a culture of losing they have lost perspective on just how hard it is to go deep into the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Perhaps we might listen without laughing if you actually won a round.

- spatso


Congrats on the 28th pick.

It was a great playoffs for everyone except the Sens, who ultimately damaged their own future chances.

How long until Boucher is gone.

Where will Karlsson sign?

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:33 AM ET
look at you and your red coloured classes. it's unbelievable how easily you forgot crosby utterly dominating him. why do sens fans not want to talk about this?
- Tumbleweed


Obviously you did not watch the series. Karlsson played a very strong defensive game head to head against Crosby. It was great hockey.

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