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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:16 AM ET
Not very effective on your part and repetitious. I never, ever said this year that I thought that Karlsson was going to win the Norris. Burns scored 29 goals.

But this was an exceptional year for the Precious One. Nobody comes even close to what he offers to his team.

- spatso


you've never said he was going to win the norris eh?



you've said it dozens of times.

I will agree with you though. nobody offers the turds as much as he does. just like nobody offers the sharks what burns does.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:19 AM ET
This was far and away Karlsson's best season ever.

Guys like Bob MacKenzie were saying (yesterday) that Burns gained all his votes on the first half of the season and there is no doubt that if you look at the entire year and playoffs Karlsson is the best all around defensemen in the NHL.

- spatso



good for him. but burns was still better. if this was his best season ever, why wasn't it good enough for best in league?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:20 AM ET
you've never said he was going to win the norris eh?


- prock


In past years I have predicted he would win the Norris.

I knew this year he would be nominated, I believe he is the best Dman in the NHL by a long way. But, because of Brent Burns great first half I have always thought winning was an uphill battle this year. I don't think that I have purposely made an outright prediction on this year that he would win.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:20 AM ET
Oh for God's sake, grow up. It is summer and these are loser lists. It is all about scoreboard and last I looked Leafs were a last place team. These are merely distractions to keep readers interested.
- spatso


"loser lists"

summer talk
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:21 AM ET
Winners and losers are determined by the scoreboard. Leaf summer talk is legendary and entertaining. But, it is just talk. Expectations get raised but everyone knows once the puck drops it is time to talk about what happened on the ice.

So, the first puck has been dropped. Marner is competing but not very well. He has had trouble especially yesterday with the speedy Finns. Most of the Finns are two years younger than Marner. He did not show much on the scoreboard.

- spatso



summer talk.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:22 AM ET
good for him. but burns was still better. if this was his best season ever, why wasn't it good enough for best in league?
- prock


29 goals is a huge number, I think the Norris criteria wants us to recognize that kind of year. That does not take anything away from Karlsson and our seeing this as his best year since coming into the NHL.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:23 AM ET
i thought i was very explicit saying I liked the changes the Senators made. But, it is clearly nothing more than opinion on mu part. You cannot forget that I spent many years as a Leaf fan and I sometimes revert to old behaviours of pumping expectations in advance of results.

Marner looked pretty feeble against the US yesterday. Kid is staying in junior.

- spatso



summer talk
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:23 AM ET
Do you really believe what you just said. Marner is likely going back into junior for another year. This is when teams begin to worry that he cannot make the jump. I am telling you the reviews coming out of the USA WJC are not good on Marner. Nobody has panicked. But if goes back to junior you start to think that he is more Sam Gagner than Patrick Kane.
- spatso



summer talk
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:24 AM ET
Sure you are. You guys have been upset with me ever since I told you that Brian Blowhard was more con than substance. I like what Shanahan is doing and how he is going about getting the changes he wants. But I have little patience with the media and fans that are pumping tires and expecting the Leafs to make the playoffs this year. it is not going to happen. Just look how long it has taken Edmonton to work it out despite the best run of draft picks in modern hockey history. Same for a bunch of other teams. You cannot expect kids to compete with men overnight.
- spatso



oh.


summer talk
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:26 AM ET
I don't see the Leafs being any stronger than the Oilers of 5 years ago. Do they have anyone as good as Taylor Hall? Don't think so. How many years did it take the Islanders to make the playoffs after drafting Tavares?

Don't think it serves any purpose to raise expectations based on the performance of a group of young players that have not yet played a full NHL season.

We don't know if Marner is the next Patrick Kane. Perhaps he is Sam Gagner, another of those sure fire first round Oiler picks of the past. I like how Shanahan is managing the rebuild. I don't like the way expectations are being raised by some fans and media when there is absolutely no reason to believe the Leafs will be any stronger than what they were last year.

- spatso



summer talk.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:28 AM ET
summer talk
- systemtool


You cut too easily.

Bleeders tend to spend too much time worrying about their wounds.

No need to fight last summer's battles. You heal faster if you just press forward and stop festering around the past beatings. Treat old news like old news. Don't give it so much power over how you feel about others and yourself.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 22 @ 7:33 AM ET
You cut too easily.

Bleeders tend to spend too much time worrying about their wounds.

No need to fight last summer's battles. You heal faster if you just press forward and stop festering around the past beatings. Treat old news like old news. Don't give it so much power over how you feel about others and yourself.

- spatso


all I've done is post your summer talk

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