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senstroll
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 20 @ 9:47 AM ET
I don't think the leafs rookies this past season suffered from having spent time in the AHL ....... and Ottawa has burned a couple of rookies already by not sending them down to the AHL for a long enough time to develop, or become "over-ripe" as PM likes to say on TGOR on this issue.
- D0PPELGANGER


I think you mean Pierre Mcguire, I would be fine never hearing that guy again ever.
He is basically Donald Trump of the NHL

This is what he said about Sami Vatanen.. read it in a Trump voice

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 20 @ 10:02 AM ET
Buddy, you've demonstrated an ability to overrate prospects in the past ............... but have not learned that you're setting yourself up for the Trollonto fans here to point these mistakes out, at some point down the road.

Do you not remember when you claimed Shane Prince was the "steal of the 2011 draft"?

- D0PPELGANGER


Now why would you buy into a Leaf fan fabrication. I said Pageau was a steal in the 4th round. I still believe that. My favourite player after Karlsson. I did like the Prince pick but not nearly as much as Pageau.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 20 @ 10:25 AM ET
Now why would you buy into a Leaf fan fabrication. I said Pageau was a steal in the 4th round. I still believe that. My favourite player after Karlsson. I did like the Prince pick but not nearly as much as Pageau.
- spatso



But you did say Prince was the "Steal of the Draft", and it's just not me who remembers that statement


I'm sure it's still here somewhere, perhaps in this very thread, but I'm not going to look for it.


The point is you have shown proneness to to bit more overly optimistic on when Senators prospects are going to displace someone on the current roster.

So, who does White steal a job from? Do the Sens trade away that player?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 12 grands is NOTHING in the art market.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 20 @ 10:33 AM ET
History, old news.

This is the time for prospects and the draft.

And, of course, trophy awards and reflections on the amazing playoffs.

- spatso

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 20 @ 10:33 AM ET
is this the List you are talking about?

TSN top prospects list
http://www.tsn.ca/live/ta...ating-in-the-nhl-1.677389

For the Leafs top 5 he has Neilson as the Leafs best Prospect and doesnt even list Dermott. At this point (and in feb) Dermott is the better prospect and closer to the NHL by all accounts

I also find it hard to believe Kapenen is not in the top 50 anywhere.

- senstroll



yeah, it's out to lunch. Kapanen as second best prospect? Not a chance. He's pretty easily a prospect with top 6 potential as a two way player. I'm not going to bother with the research but I'm willing to bet you can't find more than 5 players that are both younger than him, and have scored more in the AHL than him. That, on top of him being a very good two way player.

Now, he's not of the caliber of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander, mind you, more like Connor Brown or Colin White.

Nielsen and Dermott are 2nd and 3rd best Leaf prospects. They both project to second pairing dman, both with minimal (but not non-existant) first pairing potential.
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I genuinely think the IQ level is alot lower there than here, so I get to win more arguments. Walshy
Joined: 07.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 11:28 AM ET
Perron vs Marner.

Discuss
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 20 @ 11:39 AM ET
No Leafs on the list. Also, when you look at the Leaf protection list for the expansion draft there is nothing there. Indication of just how thin Leaf talent is.
- spatso



You would trade the Leafs roster for Ottawa's in a heartbeat, if you had any working synapses.



Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 20 @ 11:42 AM ET


Did you know Leafs had 3 of the 4 top scoring rookies last year? But that's not as prevalent as making a list.

- systemtool


Actual NHL achievement, at an elite level for a rookie is not as important as making a list.

... and I love cherry picky the list right after the Leafs just had the best rookie class in the history of the NHL if you adjust for scoring in today's game.

I can't wait until the defenseman from the Q encounters the NHL. Also, Harpur?! WTF, saw him many times in Guelph. He might have an NHL career but not an impactful one.

daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: every day, once a day, give yourself a present, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jun 20 @ 11:43 AM ET
Perron vs Marner.

Discuss

- walshyleafsfan

does perron play for the sens? perron then
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 20 @ 11:46 AM ET
What are you basing this on? He has not played enough, at the NHL to demonstrate his ability to play defence at the NHL level.

Playing College hockey and the WJC is not the same as playing in the NHL ............. there is absolutely no reason to rush him into the NHL .......... plus who do you think he displaces from the Senator's lineup, if as you suggest he wins a regular spot?

- D0PPELGANGER


Is Chabot on the team this year, or the minors? I am hoping both Nielsen and Dermott spend another season in the minors.

There is a huge difference between a 17 yr. old winger, who will go undrafted, coming down your wing, and Alex Ovechkin about to wreck you into the boards.

I think it is critical to bring Dmen along slowly.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: he's 35, time to be fart the messenger boy.
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 20 @ 11:47 AM ET
yeah, it's out to lunch. Kapanen as second best prospect? Not a chance. He's pretty easily a prospect with top 6 potential as a two way player. I'm not going to bother with the research but I'm willing to bet you can't find more than 5 players that are both younger than him, and have scored more in the AHL than him. That, on top of him being a very good two way player.

Now, he's not of the caliber of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander, mind you, more like Connor Brown or Colin White.

Nielsen and Dermott are 2nd and 3rd best Leaf prospects. They both project to second pairing dman, both with minimal (but not non-existant) first pairing potential.

- prock


I think if they make second pairing that will be a huge win.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: every day, once a day, give yourself a present, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jun 20 @ 11:48 AM ET
Is Chabot on the team this year, or the minors? I am hoping both Nielsen and Dermott spend another season in the minors.

There is a huge difference between a 17 yr. old winger, who will go undrafted, coming down your wing, and Alex Ovechkin about to wreck you into the boards.

I think it is critical to bring Dmen along slowly.

- Aetherial

if you're a skilled guy like provorov or werenski it seems like you can get away with not playing a full year in the ahl. chabot would probably be fine in the nhl honestly

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