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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 17 @ 5:20 PM ET
someday you may actually experience your team winning a round or two and you will see how very exciting it is!
- spatso


Most of us have experienced that. It was followed by a prolonged period of futility because our team that was built to win then, failed and there was not much left to build on.

That story is going to feel very familiar to you.

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 17 @ 5:21 PM ET
I think Leaf fans are in for a very rude shock. Sens will add Chabot, Harpur and White into their line up next fall. All of them are highly skilled and will be allowed to grow their game over the year.
- spatso


this senaturds summer talk is very entertaining.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 17 @ 5:23 PM ET
You got your head so far up karlsson's ass that you can taste his breafast.


Hope you like yoplait, beeeeeotch.

- Tumbleweed



that's how it works in the summer with senaturds fans.

in the season it's all "very dman makes mistakes, you're just focusing on his" over and over and over. this leadership stuff is senaturds summer talk.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 17 @ 5:25 PM ET
this senaturds summer talk is very entertaining.
- prock


Harpur's upside is Hal Gill.

Chabot played against kids, in the minors but was somehow anointed the best Dman not in the NHL

White is not as good as Bracco


Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jun 17 @ 5:26 PM ET
In order for teams to win it all they need to have at least one truly outstanding talent that provides leadership.

A symbol of the Sens leadership and iron will is the picture of Karlsson in a wheel chair post surgery. This is the standard everyone is going to have to live up to next year.

There are a certain class of athletes that simply will themselves and their team mates to win. I have always thought Karlsson was that kind of player. This is the first year the Sens have been explicitly built around him. Next year it will be even more.

- spatso

*booksmarks Spato jerk off fest to Karlsson.*
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 17 @ 5:41 PM ET
Harpur's upside is Hal Gill.

Chabot played against kids, in the minors but was somehow anointed the best Dman not in the NHL

White is not as good as Bracco

- Aetherial



Brown lead his team to memorial cup...
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

Jun 17 @ 5:59 PM ET
Seems like the Sens fans on this board are really setting themselves up for a potential let down. Chabot is a good prospect, but that doesn't guarantee him success in the NHL. Don't know much about Harpur, but if he was a legitimate top prospect you'd think his name would be more well known. Logan Brown, who knows. Could be a decent NHL, could be a fringe 4th liner. Colin White should make the NHL and contribute, but I can't imagine he will be any better than Kyle Turris, who would be Toronto's third best centre. Fourth if Nylander makes the switch. There's potential, but that's about it. No guarantees.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 17 @ 8:10 PM ET
Seems like the Sens fans on this board are really setting themselves up for a potential let down. Chabot is a good prospect, but that doesn't guarantee him success in the NHL. Don't know much about Harpur, but if he was a legitimate top prospect you'd think his name would be more well known. Logan Brown, who knows. Could be a decent NHL, could be a fringe 4th liner. Colin White should make the NHL and contribute, but I can't imagine he will be any better than Kyle Turris, who would be Toronto's third best centre. Fourth if Nylander makes the switch. There's potential, but that's about it. No guarantees.
- BetterCallSaul


You guys must lie awake at night trying to make this stuff up. At the same time you try to avoid having to face the reality that the Sens went to double overtime in game 7 of the ECF.

But, important for you not to let reality alter your pipe dream.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 17 @ 8:19 PM ET
This is pretty lame.

I try to put some modest effort into my commentary.

Your effort is pretty dull, even for a Leaf fan. You don't need to say something brilliant. Just try and say things that are original to you and consistent with your values.

Would you really be happy to have what you wrote above immortalized on your tombstone. What an epitaph for someone who never had even a trace of an original thought.

- spatso


Shut up.

You retard
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 17 @ 8:25 PM ET
Shut up.

You retard

- Tumbleweed



no no no. I want him to tell us again how the senaturds will be so much better last year because of their Nhl ready elite prospects. love the summer talk.
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

Jun 17 @ 8:32 PM ET
You guys must lie awake at night trying to make this stuff up. At the same time you try to avoid having to face the reality that the Sens went to double overtime in game 7 of the ECF.

But, important for you not to let reality alter your pipe dream.

- spatso

I've said multiple times that Sens fans should be proud of the season their team had. I personally believe that it was a one time success run, but we will see. All I'm saying is I think you're propping up the talent level of your prospects pool with such lofty expectations. Chances are they won't meet them.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 17 @ 8:39 PM ET
no no no. I want him to tell us again how the senaturds will be so much better last year because of their Nhl ready elite prospects. love the summer talk.
- prock


Opinions are like as5holes. Everyone has one.

Based on his opinions, his as5hole must be gaping.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 17 @ 9:26 PM ET
I've said multiple times that Sens fas should be proud of the season their team had. I personally believe that it was a one time success run, but we will see. All I'm saying is I think you're propping up the talent level of your prospects pool with such lofty expectations. Chances are they won't meet them.
- BetterCallSaul


Sens had a great playoff run but thats about it. The fact they were the only team with a minus goal differential that made the playoffs speaks volumes about how good they really are as a team.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 18 @ 5:56 AM ET
Sens had a great playoff run but thats about it. The fact they were the only team with a minus goal differential that made the playoffs speaks volumes about how good they really are as a team.
- systemtool


What a great line. "Sens had a great playoff run but thats about it."

Think about and compare it with other great statements.

"Leafs had an awesome first round playoff series against Boston, they dominated most of game seven, but they made them play the third period."

Look there are rules for summer talk. You can't disparage genuine accomplishment any more than you can rewrite a history. Sens had a great year.

You are allowed to speculate on next year and project a lesser result, that is entirely fair. But, the Sens had a most wonderful season, we are still fully immersed in the after glow of their accomplishment.

And, we believe, it sets us up for an even larger scale of achievement next year.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 18 @ 6:00 AM ET
I've said multiple times that Sens fans should be proud of the season their team had. I personally believe that it was a one time success run, but we will see. All I'm saying is I think you're propping up the talent level of your prospects pool with such lofty expectations. Chances are they won't meet them.
- BetterCallSaul


Now this is a fair and entirely reasonable comment. It serves as a useful bench mark for future discussion. How much worse (or better) will the Sens be next year?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 18 @ 6:02 AM ET
no no no. I want him to tell us again how the senaturds will be so much better last year because of their Nhl ready elite prospects. love the summer talk.
- prock


Good comment.

As most of you know I am usually pretty astute in my observations it is fair to track the accuracy of my predictions.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 18 @ 6:04 AM ET
Shut up.

You retard

- Tumbleweed


Not very good.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 18 @ 6:12 AM ET
Opinions are like as5holes. Everyone has one.

Based on his opinions, his as5hole must be gaping.

- Tumbleweed



Hard to believe that you would encounter such a deep intellectual perspective on a hockey blog. Well done, we really do appreciate your enlightened repartee.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 6:45 AM ET
What a great line. "Sens had a great playoff run but thats about it."

Think about and compare it with other great statements.

"Leafs had an awesome first round playoff series against Boston, they dominated most of game seven, but they made them play the third period."

Look there are rules for summer talk. You can't disparage genuine accomplishment any more than you can rewrite a history. Sens had a great year.

You are allowed to speculate on next year and project a lesser result, that is entirely fair. But, the Sens had a most wonderful season, we are still fully immersed in the after glow of their accomplishment.

And, we believe, it sets us up for an even larger scale of achievement next year.

- spatso


You're a (frank)ing idiot. The Sens didn't have a great regular season. After 82 games 16 teams made the playoffs. Only one of those teams had given up more goals than they scored. If they makes them great then summer talk has no rules. Just a giant idiot who makes shít up as it's convenient for him.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 18 @ 6:58 AM ET
Sens had a great playoff run but thats about it. The fact they were the only team with a minus goal differential that made the playoffs speaks volumes about how good they really are as a team.
- systemtool



You've got goal differential burned into your brain, and you can't get it out.


The Senators played a system, based on defense first, that worked to the point that they made it to the ECFs.

The system worked so well that the Senators never lost more than two consecutive games in a row all last season

That shows exactly how good their team is, but your little mind can't comprehend that.

On the other hand, the leafs used a system that allowed them to back into the last WC spot, and bounced in the first round. A pretty good step up from the previous season, when they intentionally tanked, and were lucky enough to secure the number one pick. Next season will be the true test of the leafs.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 6:59 AM ET
I am enjoying the Leaf fans enjoying the draft. As you know I give full credit to Shanahan and his team for reversing a long history of Leaf confusion over how to build a competitive team. However, it is also amusing to see some Leaf fans thinking that a single draft will immediately make them contenders. Edmonton, for example, have had 4 number 1 picks over the last 6 years including a generational player in McDavid. Yet, they have still not made the playoffs. Leafs have a few more years of pain before they can break out.
- spatso


Astute and accurate predicitions
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 7:03 AM ET
You've got goal differential burned into your brain, and you can't get it out.


The Senators played a system, based on defense first, that worked to the point that they made it to the ECFs.

The system worked so well that the Senators never lost more than two consecutive games in a row all last season

That shows exactly how good their team is, but your little mind can't comprehend that.

On the other hand, the leafs used a system that allowed them to back into the last WC spot, and bounced in the first round. A pretty good step up from the previous season, when they intentionally tanked, and were lucky enough to secure the number one pick. Next season will be the true test of the leafs.

- D0PPELGANGER


Its a telling stat. In almost all sports the goal is to outscore the opponent. Which results in wins. When your scoring less than youre giving up its hard to be considered a great team. Pretty simple concempt even for dolts like SpatsD0pps.

Next season is just another step for the Leafs. True tests will come as the rookies mature and gain experience.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 18 @ 7:06 AM ET
Its a telling stat. In almost all sports the goal is to outscore the opponent. Which results in wins. When your scoring less than youre giving up its hard to be considered a great team. Pretty simple concempt even for dolts like SpatsD0pps
- systemtool




So would you consider a team, that ends the regular season with a minus goal differential, and some how managed to get into the Stanley Cup finals, and actually win the Cup a legitimate Cup Champions, or a lucky/fluky champion?
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 7:10 AM ET
Look, it is pretty straight forward. The Leafs are the last place team in the league and they are about to discover how little impact a group of 18 and 19 year old players have once the hard pace of the NHL kicks in. This is the normal summer buzz of the blue and white. It is completely gone by Christmas and we will see the same pattern next summer.

Much of the bravado is intended to mask the loser results of the past years. But the scoreboard does not lie. The Leafs had the worst record in the NHL. As they stand right now, they are actually a lot less competitive than what they were at this time last year. So get ready for the same result next year.


- spatso



Astute and accurate.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Jun 18 @ 7:12 AM ET
So would you consider a team, that ends the regular season with a minus goal differential, and some how managed to get into the Stanley Cup finals, and actually win the Cup a legitimate Cup Champions, or a lucky/fluky champion?
- D0PPELGANGER



Id use the traditional term. Cinderella team.

Id say they had a great playoff run but an average regular season. Especially if its not a team with a recent history of cup win(s) and deep consistent playoff runs.
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