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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 6 @ 1:28 PM ET
Please explain how the same line up that lead the league in loser points, and backed into the playoffs, are somehow going to "go further next year"???

Who are they adding to the lineup to improve it? Will it be some UFAs? Are they going to make a big trade?

If not, then will the same lineup, that vastly overachieved, feasted on opponents back up goaltenders, and had the easiest schedule in the entire sports world, had the most luck of any team on the planet ........... just how will they be any better than last season? Do they expect all these fluky breaks that happened last season to repeat themselves next season?

- D0PPELGANGER




not worth my time

but i can see you're getting nervous.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 6 @ 1:29 PM ET


It is because nobody gives a poop about the team that lost in the conference final.

- Aetherial



Suffice it to say that no one gives a shit about a team that has not returned to the Finals, in over 50 years, and has never been to the Eastern Conference finals.


Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 6 @ 1:30 PM ET
Please explain how the same line up that lead the league in loser points, and backed into the playoffs, are somehow going to "go further next year"???

Who are they adding to the lineup to improve it? Will it be some UFAs? Are they going to make a big trade?

If not, then will the same lineup, that vastly overachieved, feasted on opponents back up goaltenders, and had the easiest schedule in the entire sports world, had the most luck of any team on the planet ........... just how will they be any better than last season? Do they expect all these fluky breaks that happened last season to repeat themselves next season?

- D0PPELGANGER


Nobody expects the Leafs to continue to have historical bad luck in overtime, so the number of "loser points" will decrease, while the numbers in the Wins column will rise. Just using the luck argument you brought up.

Just like the Sens will regress, as their luck evens out.

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 1:31 PM ET
Please explain how the same line up that lead the league in loser points, and backed into the playoffs, are somehow going to "go further next year"???

Who are they adding to the lineup to improve it? Will it be some UFAs? Are they going to make a big trade?

If not, then will the same lineup, that vastly overachieved, feasted on opponents back up goaltenders, and had the easiest schedule in the entire sports world, had the most luck of any team on the planet ........... just how will they be any better than last season? Do they expect all these fluky breaks that happened last season to repeat themselves next season?

- D0PPELGANGER



well, first, even if it was the same lineup, a lineup of teenagers will naturally improve on their own, after their rookie seasons.

Second, they've got 25 million in cap space and budget to work with. That can improve a team a great deal.

Third, they have no players of importance that they have to expose in the expansion draft.

Several other reasons.

It's not like we have any key players that are declining, like Craig Anderson, Dion Phaneuf, Marc Methot.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 1:32 PM ET


not worth my time

but i can see you're getting nervous.

- Tumbleweed



sooo rattled.

The sens are such a piece of trash franchise.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jun 6 @ 1:32 PM ET


not worth my time

but i can see you're getting nervous.

- Tumbleweed


He just watched his team smack into a window that was never open, and never will be with their current core/ownership.

Cut him some slack.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 6 @ 1:33 PM ET
sooo rattled.

The sens are such a piece of trash franchise.

- prock


So good, now your even trolling Leaf fans.

Cool
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 6 @ 1:41 PM ET
So good, now your even trolling Leaf fans.

Cool

- spatso



are you seriously retarded? cause if you are, i would cut you some slack.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 1:51 PM ET


are you seriously retarded? cause if you are, i would cut you some slack.

- Tumbleweed



well, he actually CHOSE to be a senatard.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 6 @ 1:59 PM ET
... you really don't see it do you?

Leafs fans have been talking about being in a fight for a playoff spot again next year, how our defense needs help, how we need more team toughness, some people question Andersen...

Sens fans are talking about being perennial contenders and one of the top teams in the league. They ignore their bad contracts. They dismiss the factors that worked in their favor. They ignore the woefully thin farm system. They ignore the age of their key contributors, ignore the history of Guy Boucher.

So who exactly is making more of it than it really was.

Good luck re-signing Karlsson and managing to ice a competitive team.

- Aetherial


We are more than fine going forward!

CHL/NHL Top Prospects Game 2015 [10]
Second All-Star Team 2016
First All-Star Team 2017
Emile Bouchard Trophy 2017
Paul Dumont Trophy 2017
Guy Lafleur Trophy 2017 [11]
International
WJC MVP 2017 [2]
WJC Best Defenseman 2017
WJC All-Star Team 2017

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 6 @ 2:02 PM ET
We are more than fine going forward!

CHL/NHL Top Prospects Game 2015

- spatso[10]
Second All-Star Team 2016
First All-Star Team 2017
Emile Bouchard Trophy 2017
Paul Dumont Trophy 2017
Guy Lafleur Trophy 2017 [11]
International
WJC MVP 2017 [2]
WJC Best Defenseman 2017
WJC All-Star Team 2017


so you agree that you farm system is thin with only one good prospect
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:21 PM ET
so you agree that you farm system is thin with only one good prospect
- Tumbleweed


Sens have 4 Dmen prospects that would start for the Leafs next year. Only two will make the jump to the Sens.

White will start the season in Ottawa next year. Minimum of three rookies start the season with Ottawa (Chabot, Harpur, White).
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 6 @ 2:23 PM ET
Sens have 4 Dmen prospects that would start for the Leafs next year. Only two will make the jump to the Sens.

White will start the season in Ottawa next year. Minimum of three rookies start the season with Ottawa (Chabot, Harpur, White).

- spatso




how did white do in the playoffs for you guys?
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:25 PM ET
Sens have 4 Dmen prospects that would start for the Leafs next year. Only two will make the jump to the Sens.

White will start the season in Ottawa next year. Minimum of three rookies start the season with Ottawa (Chabot, Harpur, White).

- spatso


Top notch summer talk.
Hilarious.
Well done.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 6 @ 2:44 PM ET
Sens have 4 Dmen prospects that would start for the Leafs next year. Only two will make the jump to the Sens.

White will start the season in Ottawa next year. Minimum of three rookies start the season with Ottawa (Chabot, Harpur, White).

- spatso




prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:45 PM ET
Sens have 4 Dmen prospects that would start for the Leafs next year. Only two will make the jump to the Sens.

White will start the season in Ottawa next year. Minimum of three rookies start the season with Ottawa (Chabot, Harpur, White).

- spatso



Turris would not even make the Leafs.

Matthews >>>>> turris
Marner/Nylander >>>> Turris
Kadri >> turris
Bozak >= turris

would we move him to wing for the third line?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 6 @ 2:46 PM ET
Statistically Dermott is equal to or even ahead of chabot, but sens fans think leafs have no dmen prospects and that chabot is their saviour.

Not to mention Neilson.


Enjoy the summer talk as usual. Hilarious
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jun 6 @ 2:48 PM ET
Statistically Dermott is equal to or even ahead of chabot, but sens fans think leafs have no dmen prospects and that chabot is their saviour.

Not to mention Neilson.


Enjoy the summer talk as usual. Hilarious

- burn

chabot is currently rated better than any leafs prospect
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 6 @ 2:55 PM ET
chabot is currently rated better than any leafs prospect
- daeth



So? Wasn't the likes OF rundblad highly ranked?

Their stats are very similar (and chabot played in a more open offensive league). Their stats are very similar when they competed on the same team.


One is team savour one will never make the nhl
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 6 @ 3:00 PM ET
Nobody expects the Leafs to continue to have historical bad luck in overtime, so the number of "loser points" will decrease, while the numbers in the Wins column will rise. Just using the luck argument you brought up.

Just like the Sens will regress, as their luck evens out.


- Feeling Glucky?


I dont understand why he keeps going to that as a dig at the leafs.

They lost a lot of games in extra time. The didnt win them. which I would then agree is not sustainable, its not something that repeats year to year. if you win a bunch of shootouts one year its not like you will automatically the next.

Leafs had 33 regulation wins
Sens had 34

Leafs had 7 OT/SO wins and the Sens had 10.

Sens had 6 shootout wins to the Leafs 1...
Really the sens were the ones that got lucky and backed in. they were only 3 Shootout wins better
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 3:01 PM ET
chabot is currently rated better than any leafs prospect
- daeth



he is a better prospect, no doubt. But both Nielsen and Dermott are ahead of him in development, and had pretty solid years. They're probably lower risk.

I don't think any of them, Chabot included, project into number 1 dmen. they're all 2/3 dmen, as far as I can see.

senaturd fans should know that it's reasonably unpredictable with dmen. Not to the extent of goalies, but still hard to project. They made the same stink that Ceci was going to be some amazing dman, and he sucks. Going back further, we were also told Jared Cowen projects into Zdeno Chara, and further than that, Brian Lee was a superstar D in the making.

I am particularly reluctant to project ANY dman from the Q very high. They have a long history of being rather incapable of producing top dmen. There are maybe 2 NHL dmen in what I would consider the top 40 or 50 dmen. Vlasic and Letang. Are there any more? The last highly ranked dman to come out of the Q was Nathan Beaulieu, if I can recall. Surely he hasn't lived up to his billing. Good dmen just don't seem to come from the Q.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: two steaks and a couple bottles of red wine - we'll get drunk and I'll taze your balls. -Wedgie
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 6 @ 3:07 PM ET
Sens have 4 Dmen prospects that would start for the Leafs next year. Only two will make the jump to the Sens.

White will start the season in Ottawa next year. Minimum of three rookies start the season with Ottawa (Chabot, Harpur, White).

- spatso


Good lord.

Combine the highlighted with Dopps' derp about nobody giving a sh1t about the Leafs...

You guys are high.

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 6 @ 3:08 PM ET
he is a better prospect, no doubt. But both Nielsen and Dermott are ahead of him in development, and had pretty solid years. They're probably lower risk.

I don't think any of them, Chabot included, project into number 1 dmen. they're all 2/3 dmen, as far as I can see.

senaturd fans should know that it's reasonably unpredictable with dmen. Not to the extent of goalies, but still hard to project. They made the same stink that Ceci was going to be some amazing dman, and he sucks. Going back further, we were also told Jared Cowen projects into Zdeno Chara, and further than that, Brian Lee was a superstar D in the making.

I am particularly reluctant to project ANY dman from the Q very high. They have a long history of being rather incapable of producing top dmen. There are maybe 2 NHL dmen in what I would consider the top 40 or 50 dmen. Vlasic and Letang. Are there any more? The last highly ranked dman to come out of the Q was Nathan Beaulieu, if I can recall. Surely he hasn't lived up to his billing. Good dmen just don't seem to come from the Q.

- prock


Neilson is a long ways out and no way ahead of Chabot in any way at all.
Dermott is closer, but I would trade both of them for Chabot and add something.

If he is not a top 4 D in the NHL is would be shocked
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 6 @ 3:51 PM ET
Neilson is a long ways out and no way ahead of Chabot in any way at all.
Dermott is closer, but I would trade both of them for Chabot and add something.

If he is not a top 4 D in the NHL is would be shocked

- senstroll


Sens really do have a goldmine developing on the backend.

Karlsson is the cornerstone.

Chabot will make the team out of camp and will get lots of playing time. I think Harpur also makes the team out of camp. He was very strong in the games he played against the Rangers during the playoffs. Makes you wonder why he did not get more regular season play. Consensus was Claesson was the Sens 3rd best Dman during playoffs. He got better every round. I see him playing lots of minutes next year.

Out of Ceci, Phaneuf, Methot, Borowiecki and Wideman; one goes to Vegas, two play for the Sens next year and two get dealt before the expansion draft trade deadline. (I really hope they keep Phaneuf and team him with Chabot).
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 6 @ 3:58 PM ET
Sens really do have a goldmine developing on the backend.

Karlsson is the cornerstone.

Chabot will make the team out of camp and will get lots of playing time. I think Harpur also makes the team out of camp. He was very strong in the games he played against the Rangers during the playoffs. Makes you wonder why he did not get more regular season play. Consensus was Claesson was the Sens 3rd best Dman during playoffs. He got better every round. I see him playing lots of minutes next year.

Out of Ceci, Phaneuf, Methot, Borowiecki and Wideman; one goes to Vegas, two play for the Sens next year and two get dealt before the expansion draft trade deadline. (I really hope they keep Phaneuf and team him with Chabot).

- spatso


ugh I feel dirty for what I said and now you are using words like goldmine, cornerstone and backend. gross I regret everything
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