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burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

May 31 @ 9:21 AM ET
So lets get your logic straight here.

In your mind the Senators "downgraded" their roster, by making a few trades, and bringing in a few players at the trade deadline .......... and these moves made it possible for them to get within one goal of the the finals.


So I hope the Senators "downgrade" their roster again if it means going just as deep into the playoffs again.

- D0PPELGANGER



I don't think you read or understood his post correctly
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 31 @ 9:23 AM ET
I know definitively, that you would have traded for the entire Ottawa roster, if you knew that they would have been the third last team to have been playing this spring.
- D0PPELGANGER



You honestly believe I would give up the leafs roster to take the Sens roster for one year of a flukey run to the conference finals ???

All you won is the 28th pick, so you could stay firmly on that road to mediocrity.

No one is going to write ballads about the legendary 2017 Senators... especially when every hockey fan everywhere knows that you had everything break your way this season.




burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

May 31 @ 9:25 AM ET
You honestly believe I would give up the leafs roster to take the Sens roster for one year of a flukey run to the conference finals ???

All you won is the 28th pick, so you could stay firmly on that road to mediocrity.

No one is going to write ballads about the legendary 2017 Senators... especially when every hockey fan everywhere knows that you had everything break your way this season.

- Aetherial



Another banner of non championship to raise and revere
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 31 @ 9:27 AM ET



So I hope the Senators "downgrade" their roster again if it means going just as deep into the playoffs again.

- D0PPELGANGER


Congrats on your win-now team winning the 28th overall pick.

Enjoy that roster, those awesome contracts, your ONE good prospect and your cheap owner.

We should start a pool on how long Boucher lasts.




senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 31 @ 9:50 AM ET
So lets get your logic straight here.

In your mind the Senators "downgraded" their roster, by making a few trades, and bringing in a few players at the trade deadline .......... and these moves made it possible for them to get within one goal of the the finals.


So I hope the Senators "downgrade" their roster again if it means going just as deep into the playoffs again.

- D0PPELGANGER


lol

not surprising you dont understand why
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

May 31 @ 10:31 AM ET
So lets get your logic straight here.

In your mind the Senators "downgraded" their roster, by making a few trades, and bringing in a few players at the trade deadline .......... and these moves made it possible for them to get within one goal of the the finals.


So I hope the Senators "downgrade" their roster again if it means going just as deep into the playoffs again.

- D0PPELGANGER



yes, ab-so-(frank)ing-lutely. They absolultely downgraded next years roster, and every following year's roster, with the addition of Phaneuf, with the trade of Zibanejad for Brassard, with just about everything else they did.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 31 @ 10:41 AM ET
Yeah, that 19 game long playoff run by the Senators really rattled all the trollonto trolls here ....... pretending they would not have wanted the leafs to qualify for the ECFs and a shot at the finals ............. do you really think you're fooling anyone?
- D0PPELGANGER

Leafs fans want a shot at the cup. A shot at a conference banner doesn't matter much to us. Ottawa's roster has no chance at winning a cup.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 31 @ 11:27 AM ET
yes, ab-so-(frank)ing-lutely. They absolultely downgraded next years roster, and every following year's roster, with the addition of Phaneuf, with the trade of Zibanejad for Brassard, with just about everything else they did.
- prock


They are grasping at this point.

How the hell could anyone believe we would prefer one flukey glory-run to win the 28th pick.

Vancouver fans know what it is like to get 100+ points in 2014-2015. 2 years later they were the laughing stock of the league.

I will admit Ottawa is not nearly in that boat, plenty of guys in their 20's still and one good prospect, but neither are they cup contenders.


D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

May 31 @ 2:00 PM ET
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 31 @ 2:16 PM ET

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

May 31 @ 2:16 PM ET


spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

May 31 @ 7:01 PM ET
yes, ab-so-(frank)ing-lutely. They absolultely downgraded next years roster, and every following year's roster, with the addition of Phaneuf, with the trade of Zibanejad for Brassard, with just about everything else they did.
- prock


Seriously. I know that you have a good hockey mind and sometimes you can be highly insightful.

Ottawa has committed to building around Karlsson and playing a counter attacking game off of a 1-3-1. Nothing special in playing a 1-3-1, most teams follow that approach, Ottawa is better than most.

But, Ottawa has invested in building a strong D with the ability to drive the play from the back end. They have two players in Chabot and Harpur they believe will make the team out of training camp next year. They have two more in Englund and Jaros that they believe are not far off in playing in the NHL.

I think the Sens want Phaneuf for at least one more year. He was an extremely positive influence on the young guys throughout the playoffs and I have no doubt that the Sens would not make it past Boston or the Rangers without the outstanding play and leadership of Phaneuf.

With the young guys they will be adding next year I think it is imperative that they keep Phaneuf. I believe the Sens will move Methot + for more offence. Many believe Claesson was Ottawa's 2nd best playoff Dman and I believe he will be paired with Karlsson next season. Dorion believes White makes the team and Brown has a very good shot at making the team out of training camp as well.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

May 31 @ 7:10 PM ET
Seriously. I know that you have a good hockey mind and sometimes you can be highly insightful.

Ottawa has committed to building around Karlsson and playing a counter attacking game off of a 1-3-1. Nothing special in playing a 1-3-1, most teams follow that approach, Ottawa is better than most.

But, Ottawa has invested in building a strong D with the ability to drive the play from the back end. They have two players in Chabot and Harpur they believe will make the team out of training camp next year. They have two more in Englund and Jaros that they believe are not far off in playing in the NHL.

I think the Sens want Phaneuf for at least one more year. He was an extremely positive influence on the young guys throughout the playoffs and I have no doubt that the Sens would not make it past Boston or the Rangers without the outstanding play and leadership of Phaneuf.

With the young guys they will be adding next year I think it is imperative that they keep Phaneuf. I believe the Sens will move Methot + for more offence. Many believe Claesson was Ottawa's 2nd best playoff Dman and I believe he will be paired with Karlsson next season. Dorion believes White makes the team and Brown has a very good shot at making the team out of training camp as well.

- spatso


YAY SENATURDS
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

May 31 @ 7:37 PM ET

the leafs would trade wee Willy Nylander and a first to have a D man like this.




PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 31 @ 7:41 PM ET
the leafs would trade wee Willy Nylander and a first to have a D man like this.





- D0PPELGANGER


Do you think they'd trade Matthews for Karlsson?
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

May 31 @ 7:49 PM ET


i think we can all agree that the leafs would be lucky to get a 4th rounder for him
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

May 31 @ 7:52 PM ET
Do you think they'd trade Matthews for Karlsson?
- PhillySportsGuy

did matthews carry the leafs to the 3rd round? didn't think so.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 31 @ 7:53 PM ET
did matthews carry the leafs to the 3rd round? didn't think so.
- daeth


Let this play out organically
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

May 31 @ 9:09 PM ET
did matthews carry the leafs to the 3rd round? didn't think so.
- daeth

to be fair the sens have turris and the leafs have gardiner
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

May 31 @ 9:12 PM ET
to be fair the sens have turris and the leafs have gardiner
- Pie

Turris is better than any leaf forward
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

May 31 @ 9:21 PM ET
Turris is better than any leaf forward
- daeth

its all in the pudding
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

May 31 @ 9:52 PM ET
the leafs would trade wee Willy Nylander and a first to have a D man like this.





- D0PPELGANGER



Nope

Have Dermott, not far off of him.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 31 @ 10:34 PM ET
the leafs would trade wee Willy Nylander and a first to have a D man like this.
- D0PPELGANGER




I guess the fallback position to not being able to make a point is to just be stupid.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

May 31 @ 11:48 PM ET
Let this play out organically
- PhillySportsGuy


spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 1 @ 5:55 AM ET
to be fair the sens have turris and the leafs have gardiner
- Pie


If you listen to TSN Montreal 690 you know they go on forever about how weak the Canadiens are down the middle and how much they would like to have a centre like Kyle Turris (backed up by Pageau and Brassard). It was apparent in the series against Rangers just how feeble Montreal has become down the middle. Obviously the Sens depth at centre was one of the primary reasons the Sens took out the Rangers in 6 (Pageau, Pageau, Pageau).

For those of you who do not fully appreciate Kyle Turris you need to look at the kind of all round game played by Bergeron and Toews. Turris plays a full 200' game usually against the very best player on the opposing team. In the third period and overtime he has been a dominate player for the Sens all year. The Canadieans should be so lucky as to have a centre of Kyle Turris' calibre.
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