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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

May 30 @ 3:48 PM ET
My favourite discussion time of the year. Leaf fans declare victory over everyone. We egg them on. And, we get to watch them collapse in the face of reality once the season starts. So exciting.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

May 30 @ 3:48 PM ET
So much fun. Here we go Leafs!
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 30 @ 3:52 PM ET
My favourite discussion time of the year. Leaf fans declare victory over everyone. We egg them on. And, we get to watch them collapse in the face of reality once the season starts. So exciting.
- spatso

Yes, shall we revisit some of your premonitions from last offseason?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 30 @ 3:56 PM ET
Obviously the Senators "iced a team" that came within one goal of advancing to the SCFs.

The leafs "iced a team" that backed into the playoffs, and were quickly dispatched to the Golf course in the first round.

Nothing, right now shows that the leafs will improve to the point that they will be able to win a round in the playoffs ....................... however, between now and the beginning of next season, things can change ........... so let's now assume that Ottawa will become old and decrepit, and the leafs will improve to the point where they will be cup contenders ............... let's see what happens over the off season before anyone presupposes anything other than what the latest playoff results have shown us.

- D0PPELGANGER

Sens iced a team that had everything go right at the right time.


It's highly doubtful they'll even be in the playoffs next year. While Sens fans love to point at young teams that did well and then regressed, those teams have a lot more in common with Ottawa than the Leafs- they either rode hot goaltending or a hot star player, but the underlying stats showed what they really were, and the standings showed it the next season.

IMO the burden of proof is on the Sens fans to show why anyone should believe their team will be back in the playoffs.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

May 30 @ 4:17 PM ET
My favourite discussion time of the year. Leaf fans declare victory over everyone. We egg them on. And, we get to watch them collapse in the face of reality once the season starts. So exciting.
- spatso


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

May 30 @ 4:49 PM ET
So much fun. Here we go Leafs!
- spatso


What do you make of the top prospect not in the nhl Collin white and his ice time in the playoffs?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 30 @ 5:03 PM ET
oh Logan Brown led them eh? Lol. not the 3 forwards who put up more points like Jeremy bracco who led the tourney in scoring? or the 3 members of the team named to the all star team, which Brown was not?

it's hilarious that you pick Logan Brown. if he makes the sens squad next year that's an embarrassment to them.

- prock

Don't be so hard on Logan Brown, he's got Big Joe potential.


Yup, former Leaf, Big Joe Colborne.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

May 30 @ 5:14 PM ET
Sens iced a team that had everything go right at the right time.


It's highly doubtful they'll even be in the playoffs next year. While Sens fans love to point at young teams that did well and then regressed, those teams have a lot more in common with Ottawa than the Leafs- they either rode hot goaltending or a hot star player, but the underlying stats showed what they really were, and the standings showed it the next season.

IMO the burden of proof is on the Sens fans to show why anyone should believe their team will be back in the playoffs.

- Feeling Glucky?





blah blah blah underlying stats blah blah lucky blah blah blah played vs backups blah blah easy schedule blah blah blah played vs tired teams blah blah blah hot goaltender blah blah blah.



keep on believing that, and repeating that, it will be good entertainment all summer long.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

May 30 @ 5:53 PM ET
blah blah blah underlying stats blah blah lucky blah blah blah played vs backups blah blah easy schedule blah blah blah played vs tired teams blah blah blah hot goaltender blah blah blah.



keep on believing that, and repeating that, it will be good entertainment all summer long.

- D0PPELGANGER


Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 30 @ 10:24 PM ET
Obviously the Senators "iced a team" that came within one goal of advancing to the SCFs.

The leafs "iced a team" that backed into the playoffs, and were quickly dispatched to the Golf course in the first round.

Nothing, right now shows that the leafs will improve to the point that they will be able to win a round in the playoffs ....................... however, between now and the beginning of next season, things can change ........... so let's now assume that Ottawa will become old and decrepit, and the leafs will improve to the point where they will be cup contenders ............... let's see what happens over the off season before anyone presupposes anything other than what the latest playoff results have shown us.

- D0PPELGANGER


So your basic premise gets torn apart my Vancouver counter to your position and you retreat to "wait and see".

Well, I guess that is the only answer then.

Until then you and I both know you would trade everything, INCLUDING current rosters Ottawa for Toronto, straight up, as would every Ottawa fan with an IQ over room temperature.


Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 30 @ 10:30 PM ET
My favourite discussion time of the year. Leaf fans declare victory over everyone. We egg them on. And, we get to watch them collapse in the face of reality once the season starts. So exciting.
- spatso


Uh,

Where the F did you come up with that?

Leafs fans have described their reasoning for their position. Sens fans have responded with "look at this past season".

They ignored my breakdown of the problems in the Sens roster.
When they bragged about their prospect leading the team to the Memorial cup, I pointed out it was a LEAF prospect who did the leading.
When I countered with the Vancouver example... You had nothing.

Now we get hyperbole.

The Sens are the next edition of the Vancouver Canucks. It is going to be so much fun to watch you wallow in mediocrity, unable to improve, and eventually collapse utterly.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 30 @ 10:32 PM ET
blah blah blah underlying stats blah blah lucky blah blah blah played vs backups blah blah easy schedule blah blah blah played vs tired teams blah blah blah hot goaltender blah blah blah.



keep on believing that, and repeating that, it will be good entertainment all summer long.

- D0PPELGANGER


Will you still be here when you are the Canucks I wonder?

Congrats on over-achieving and hitting a lucky streak to get the 28th pick overall. That should definitely help break the cycle of mediocrity.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 30 @ 10:42 PM ET
My favourite discussion time of the year. Leaf fans declare victory over everyone.
- spatso

daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

May 30 @ 11:07 PM ET
Yes, shall we revisit some of your premonitions from last offseason?
- Feeling Glucky?

might as well
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 30 @ 11:08 PM ET
blah blah blah underlying stats blah blah lucky blah blah blah played vs backups blah blah easy schedule blah blah blah played vs tired teams blah blah blah hot goaltender blah blah blah.



keep on believing that, and repeating that, it will be good entertainment all summer long.

- D0PPELGANGER

So rattled
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

May 30 @ 11:11 PM ET
the important thing here is that ottawa is in a fantastic situation
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

May 30 @ 11:33 PM ET
So your basic premise gets torn apart my Vancouver counter to your position and you retreat to "wait and see".

Well, I guess that is the only answer then.

Until then you and I both know you would trade everything, INCLUDING current rosters Ottawa for Toronto, straight up, as would every Ottawa fan with an IQ over room temperature.

- Aetherial



I know definitively, that you would have traded for the entire Ottawa roster, if you knew that they would have been the third last team to have been playing this spring.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 31 @ 6:53 AM ET
I know definitively, that you would have traded for the entire Ottawa roster, if you knew that they would have been the third last team to have been playing this spring.
- D0PPELGANGER

Definitely not. The point is to win the cup, and Ottawa has the same shot as the Leafs after they were eliminated by the Caps.

Ottawa will never win with their core. Leafs might plenty of time since their top players can barely grow beards.

Leafs in a better situation.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

May 31 @ 7:10 AM ET
I know definitively, that you would have traded for the entire Ottawa roster, if you knew that they would have been the third last team to have been playing this spring.
- D0PPELGANGER



nope. wouldn't have even considered it for a fraction of a second. no chance.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

May 31 @ 8:12 AM ET
I know definitively, that you would have traded for the entire Ottawa roster, if you knew that they would have been the third last team to have been playing this spring.
- D0PPELGANGER



Lol. Wtf.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 31 @ 8:12 AM ET
I know definitively, that you would have traded for the entire Ottawa roster, if you knew that they would have been the third last team to have been playing this spring.
- D0PPELGANGER


lol
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

May 31 @ 8:19 AM ET
Yeah, that 19 game long playoff run by the Senators really rattled all the trollonto trolls here ....... pretending they would not have wanted the leafs to qualify for the ECFs and a shot at the finals ............. do you really think you're fooling anyone?

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

May 31 @ 8:50 AM ET
Yeah, that 19 game long playoff run by the Senators really rattled all the trollonto trolls here ....... pretending they would not have wanted the leafs to qualify for the ECFs and a shot at the finals ............. do you really think you're fooling anyone?
- D0PPELGANGER



it would have been great to see the kids go to the third round. I, and no one else here, would do that at the expense of downgrading our roster. especially to that extent.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

May 31 @ 8:59 AM ET
it would have been great to see the kids go to the third round. I, and no one else here, would do that at the expense of downgrading our roster. especially to that extent.
- prock



So lets get your logic straight here.

In your mind the Senators "downgraded" their roster, by making a few trades, and bringing in a few players at the trade deadline .......... and these moves made it possible for them to get within one goal of the the finals.


So I hope the Senators "downgrade" their roster again if it means going just as deep into the playoffs again.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

May 31 @ 9:17 AM ET
Yeah, that 19 game long playoff run by the Senators really rattled all the trollonto trolls here ....... pretending they would not have wanted the leafs to qualify for the ECFs and a shot at the finals ............. do you really think you're fooling anyone?
- D0PPELGANGER



Who's pretending?

Leafs goal is to win a championship. It's great to get to the conference finals, but no one trading leafs bright future for a loss in the conference finals. That notion is dumb, even for you.
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