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senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 2 @ 5:01 PM ET
No one is protesting???


If you've been paying attentions, there are a number of reasons that have contributed to the attendance problems this year.

-Location
-Parking lot
-Public Service pay system problems
-Redblacks competition for entertainment dollars
-Higher costs for second round
-people anticipating new Arena in 4 or 5 years

leaf fans seem to think it's a fair comparison, Ottawa/Gatineau Population 1.2 Million versus the GTA Population 6.5 Million ..........

Ottawa is a small market NHL City ...... While toronto is one the leagues largest markets ......... apples vs watermellons

- D0PPELGANGER


Wow you are loaded with crappy lame excuses


Also what you are saying is the basic definition of a protest.
I wont go to the game because of these reasons

I'll ask again.. why is it just this season its a problem? did the sens have problems drawing fans for previous playoffs?

and highly doubt Fans are thinking.. why go when I can go to a new stadium in 5 years
twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

May 2 @ 8:57 PM ET
Karlsson is so sick - genuinely hard to not like the guy.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 2 @ 9:46 PM ET
Have you ever been to a game in the CTC?

Didn't think so.



Take a look at the site plan, and compare it to other remotely located arenas.

The CTC is separated from it's parking lots, by the access roads to the parking lots, the access roads should be on the periphery of the parking lots, not between the CTC and the parking lots.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@33.5318761,-112.2604565,470m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en


https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.2974136,-75.9254228,572m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en


https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.9013108,-75.1718908,500m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en


https://www.google.ca/maps/search/BB%26T+Center+2555+NW+136th+Ave+/@26.1581966,-80.3253482,338m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

- D0PPELGANGER

Have you ever been a fan of a team you didn't have to make countless excuses for?


Didn't think so.
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

May 2 @ 9:50 PM ET
No one is protesting???


If you've been paying attentions, there are a number of reasons that have contributed to the attendance problems this year.

-Location
-Parking lot
-Public Service pay system problems
-Redblacks competition for entertainment dollars
-Higher costs for second round
-people anticipating new Arena in 4 or 5 years

leaf fans seem to think it's a fair comparison, Ottawa/Gatineau Population 1.2 Million versus the GTA Population 6.5 Million ..........

Ottawa is a small market NHL City ...... While toronto is one the leagues largest markets ......... apples vs watermellons

- D0PPELGANGER

so what you're saying is there aren't many sens fans? well no poop. that's all that needs to be said about this matter.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 2 @ 10:07 PM ET
No one is protesting???


If you've been paying attentions, there are a number of reasons that have contributed to the attendance problems this year.

-Location
-Parking lot
-Public Service pay system problems
-Redblacks competition for entertainment dollars
-Higher costs for second round
-people anticipating new Arena in 4 or 5 years

leaf fans seem to think it's a fair comparison, Ottawa/Gatineau Population 1.2 Million versus the GTA Population 6.5 Million ..........

Ottawa is a small market NHL City ...... While toronto is one the leagues largest markets ......... apples vs watermellons

- D0PPELGANGER





For someone who is enjoying rubbing in a modicum of success, you sure are equipped with a lot of stupid excuses.

There aren't enough fans who give a poop about the Sens.
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

May 2 @ 10:10 PM ET
Location Location Location .......... just one of the reasons.

Biggest one for most people is the idiotically designed parking lot(s), which places traffic (entering and exiting) between the Arena and the parking lot(s) forcing pedestrians and traffic to cross paths before and after games ......... causing traffic and pedestrian Jams before and after games.



- D0PPELGANGER

Now show me how long it would take for someone to get from just north of Steeles (say at Yonge, for arguments sake) to the Air Canada Centre. Longer than the trip from Ottawa to Kanata? Weird. The ACC is full most nights and a lot of people travel from outside the city to the games. Guess the parking is better.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 2 @ 10:12 PM ET
Karlsson is so sick - genuinely hard to not like the guy.
- twiztedmike


He is an awesome player...


but there isn't somehow 20% more speed, goals, passes, checks, ability or anything like that that we haven't seen. The narrative from Sens fans is laughable. Most players are injured this time of year. He probably has a sore foot and various other aches and pains and he is probably getting painkillers and isn't much affected by it... just like everyone else.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 2 @ 10:13 PM ET
Now show me how long it would take for someone to get from just north of Steeles (say at Yonge, for arguments sake) to the Air Canada Centre. Longer than the trip from Ottawa to Kanata? Weird. The ACC is full most nights and a lot of people travel from outside the city to the games. Guess the parking is better.
- BetterCallSaul


The excuses are hilarious. They can't even scare up enough fans to fill a playoff home date.

Looks like Toronto fans will have to make the trip to help bail them out, again.

BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

May 2 @ 10:14 PM ET
No one is protesting???


If you've been paying attentions, there are a number of reasons that have contributed to the attendance problems this year.

-Location
-Parking lot
-Public Service pay system problems
-Redblacks competition for entertainment dollars
-Higher costs for second round
-people anticipating new Arena in 4 or 5 years

leaf fans seem to think it's a fair comparison, Ottawa/Gatineau Population 1.2 Million versus the GTA Population 6.5 Million ..........

Ottawa is a small market NHL City ...... While toronto is one the leagues largest markets ......... apples vs watermellons

- D0PPELGANGER

You cite a CFL team as a potential reason why people aren't attending the Senators playoff games? Are you serious?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 3 @ 8:00 AM ET
You cite a CFL team as a potential reason why people aren't attending the Senators playoff games? Are you serious?
- BetterCallSaul


D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

May 3 @ 8:10 AM ET
Now show me how long it would take for someone to get from just north of Steeles (say at Yonge, for arguments sake) to the Air Canada Centre. Longer than the trip from Ottawa to Kanata? Weird. The ACC is full most nights and a lot of people travel from outside the city to the games. Guess the parking is better.
- BetterCallSaul



Don't forget, that the "20 mins" on Google Maps assumes driving at the speed limit, and does not account for traffic ............ so during the evening rush hour, when most games are scheduled, you can pretty much double that time from Lebreton to the CTC.

There is no direct LRT or Subway from Lebreton to the CTC, as there is in toronto for the ACC......... so again you're comparing apples to watermelons.

From Ottawa South to the CTC, on OC transpo, it would take just over an hour and a half to get there.

http://plan.octranspo.com...ime&UseDefaultSites=false



My point is the location, and the related issues, does deter some people from going to games.

This will change once they relocate to Lebreton Flats.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

May 3 @ 8:39 AM ET



Anderson hands the Rangers a goal.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 3 @ 9:40 AM ET
Don't forget, that the "20 mins" on Google Maps assumes driving at the speed limit, and does not account for traffic ............ so during the evening rush hour, when most games are scheduled, you can pretty much double that time from Lebreton to the CTC.

There is no direct LRT or Subway from Lebreton to the CTC, as there is in toronto for the ACC......... so again you're comparing apples to watermelons.

From Ottawa South to the CTC, on OC transpo, it would take just over an hour and a half to get there.

http://plan.octranspo.com...ime&UseDefaultSites=false



My point is the location, and the related issues, does deter some people from going to games.

This will change once they relocate to Lebreton Flats.

- D0PPELGANGER

You do realize that from most of the suburbs it'd take an hour and a half to get to the ACC by transit, right?


Do you think this level of fan apathy is the reason the original franchise folded?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 3 @ 9:43 AM ET
You do realize that from most of the suburbs it'd take an hour and a half to get to the ACC by transit, right?


Do you think this level of fan apathy is the reason the original franchise folded?

- Feeling Glucky?


It's the Redblacks!
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 3 @ 10:52 AM ET
It's the Redblacks!
- Aetherial

I don't think any other NHL city has to contend for fans with a league as big as the CFL.

How are the Sens supposed to get anyone to their games with the CFL preseason a month away?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 3 @ 11:03 AM ET
I don't think any other NHL city has to contend for fans with a league as big as the CFL.

How are the Sens supposed to get anyone to their games with the CFL preseason a month away?

- Feeling Glucky?


no wait, it isn't the Redblacks it is

-people anticipating new Arena in 4 or 5 years


I know for sure I would never go see my team in a playoff game this year if a new arena was going to be available in 4 or 5 years.

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 3 @ 11:08 AM ET
no wait, it isn't the Redblacks it is



I know for sure I would never go see my team in a playoff game this year if a new arena was going to be available in 4 or 5 years.

- Aetherial

True! Why go through the ordeal of a 20-30 minute drive to watch your team play in the playoffs when they might have a fancy new area that will take the same amount of time for most people to get to, four years from now which will likely be a decade old by the time the team is in the playoffs again?

It's just bad money management.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 3 @ 11:10 AM ET
No one is protesting???


If you've been paying attentions, there are a number of reasons that have contributed to the attendance problems this year.

-Location
-Parking lot
-Public Service pay system problems
-Redblacks competition for entertainment dollars
-Higher costs for second round
-people anticipating new Arena in 4 or 5 years

leaf fans seem to think it's a fair comparison, Ottawa/Gatineau Population 1.2 Million versus the GTA Population 6.5 Million ..........

Ottawa is a small market NHL City ...... While toronto is one the leagues largest markets ......... apples vs watermellons

- D0PPELGANGER


Remember how offended you were when I said, compared to Toronto, that Ottawa was the sticks?
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 3 @ 11:16 AM ET
Remember how offended you were when I said, compared to Toronto, that Ottawa was the sticks?

- Feeling Glucky?


Nashville population is around 680,000

but they don't have the Redblacks and there is no new arena coming

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 3 @ 12:06 PM ET
Nashville population is around 680,000

but they don't have the Redblacks and there is no new arena coming

- Aetherial


twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

May 3 @ 12:43 PM ET
Nashville population is around 680,000

but they don't have the Redblacks and there is no new arena coming

- Aetherial

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

May 3 @ 12:44 PM ET
Nashville population is around 680,000

but they don't have the Redblacks and there is no new arena coming

- Aetherial

Well it's about 2 million metro but why worry about that.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

May 3 @ 1:10 PM ET
why are the leaf fans so caught up in few empty seats in Ottawa .......... why are they not talking about the leafs?]

I heard they made a big signing yesterday, the Cup is now a lock for next year....... congrats.




By the way, I wonder how all the leaf fans feel, now that it is longer than 50 years since the leafs have been in the Stanley Cup Finals .................... longest current drought in the NHL.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 3 @ 1:16 PM ET
Well it's about 2 million metro but why worry about that.
- golfingsince

It's also a city in Tennessee, not the capital of Canada.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

May 3 @ 1:19 PM ET
why are the leaf fans so caught up in few empty seats in Ottawa .......... why are they not talking about the leafs?]

I heard they made a big signing yesterday, the Cup is now a lock for next year....... congrats.




By the way, I wonder how all the leaf fans feel, now that it is longer than 50 years since the leafs have been in the Stanley Cup Finals .................... longest current drought in the NHL.

- D0PPELGANGER

Being able to draw fans contributes to which team is in a better situation.

If an already cheap owner doesn't feel like he's making money, how will that affect his spending going forward?

And why are you so obsessed with the Leafs 13 cup wins? Are you insecure about your team's 0 wins?
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