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golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 6 @ 3:07 AM ET
4 out of 10 years is often, which is the most recent trend.

Going back 30 years is ridiculous, goalies still relied heavily on the two pad stack.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 6 @ 3:45 AM ET
Excellent example. The year that LA just squeaked into the playoffs and wound up winning the cup, it was clear from very early in the season that they were under performing and would trend up.
- Feeling Glucky?


LA had great numbers this year as well. But they don't win enough.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 6 @ 8:39 AM ET
sorry, assumed you'd want to win a bet, and thought for sure your brain would win out over your heart.
- D0PPELGANGER


lol..what?

ok, I will slow it down for you

you gave the leafs a 10% chance, I said if you were offering those odds on a bet I would definitely put some money down on the leafs. I understand Washington would be a big favorite. But I would guess the number would be closer to the 35-40% chance for the leafs. so if someone was giving 9-1 to make it simple it would be a good value bet. If I bet $50 ... Id win $450

Hope that helps
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Apr 6 @ 8:48 AM ET
lol..what?

ok, I will slow it down for you

you gave the leafs a 10% chance, I said if you were offering those odds on a bet I would defiantly put some money down on the leafs. I understand Washington would be a big favorite. But I would guess the number would be closer to the 35-40% chance for the leafs. so if someone was giving 9-1 to make it simple it would be a good value bet. If I bet $50 ... Id win $450

Hope that helps

- senstroll


It won't help.
Logic and facts befuddle Dopey.
Leafs record vs Caps this year according to him 0-3.
Leafs actual record this year vs Caps 1-1-1.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 6 @ 8:49 AM ET
Excellent example. The year that LA just squeaked into the playoffs and wound up winning the cup, it was clear from very early in the season that they were under performing and would trend up.
- Feeling Glucky?


I dont know if it was clear from the start of the season. Sutter took over in Dec 2011 and thats when the Kings started to improve.

iirc the Kings were the best possession team over the last 20 or 30 games of that season going into the playoffs.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 6 @ 10:09 AM ET
It won't help.
Logic and facts befuddle Dopey.
Leafs record vs Caps this year according to him 0-3.
Leafs actual record this year vs Caps 1-1-1.

- daws44


Yes you're correct, I misread this site ...... http://www.espn.com/nhl/playoffs/matchups

thanks for the correction.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 6 @ 10:12 AM ET
Yes you're correct, I misread this site ...... http://www.espn.com/nhl/playoffs/matchups

thanks for the correction.

- D0PPELGANGER

shocker. you read something, put no brain power behind it, and ran with it.


Whodathunkit?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 6 @ 10:44 AM ET
4 out of 10 years is often, which is the most recent trend.

Going back 30 years is ridiculous, goalies still relied heavily on the two pad stack.

- golfingsince


so you're saying the leafs will beat the caps?

LEAFS
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 6 @ 11:21 AM ET
Yes you're correct, I misread this site ...... http://www.espn.com/nhl/playoffs/matchups

thanks for the correction.

- D0PPELGANGER



Also in the OT game the leafs were leading at 3 different times.

they seem to have improved on the blown 3rd period lead thing since then
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 6 @ 12:10 PM ET
tension increases:

http://www.tsn.ca/sens-ka...ruins-day-to-day-1.717049
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 6 @ 12:17 PM ET
I don't know about the rest of my fellow Leafs fans here but I suddenly have a lot of work to do. I don't think I'll be able to post in here until at least Thursday, but that could get extended even further. Such unfortunate timing!
- daeth


bad timing!

My work schedule is a bit up in the air. Day to day I never know for sure if I can make it here to comment.

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 6 @ 12:20 PM ET
bad timing!

My work schedule is a bit up in the air. Day to day I never know for sure if I can make it here to comment.


- Aetherial



I hear you. I've been involved in a big project at work. big meeting this afternoon, I'll know if I have anything assigned to me then.

I'm actually going to the game tonight.

I'll let you know how the meeting goes tomorrow.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 6 @ 12:22 PM ET
Presidents' Trophy Winner often gets caught early in playoffs. If the Leafs play Washington I think they can surprise them. Washington does not perform up to their regular season performance.

Year Presidents' Trophy Winner Playoff Result
2015-16 Washinton Capitals Lost Second Round
2014-15 New York Rangers Lost Conference Finals
2013-14 Boston Bruins Lost Second Round
2012-13 Chicago Blackhawks Won Stanley Cup
2011-12 Vancouver Canucks Lost First Round
2010-11 Vancouver Canucks Lost Stanley Cup Final
2009-10 Washington Capitals Lost First Round
2008-09 San Jose Sharks Lost First Round
2007-08 Detroit Red Wings Won Stanley Cup
2006-07 Buffalo Sabres Lost Conference Final
2005-06 Detroit Red Wings Lost First Round
2003-04 Detroit Red Wings Lost Second Round
2002-03 Ottawa Senators Lost Conference Final
2001-02 Detroit Red Wings Won Stanley Cup
2000-01 Colorado Avalanche Won Stanley Cup
1999-00 St. Louis Blues Lost First Round
1998-99 Dallas Stars Won Stanley Cup
1997-98 Dallas Stars Lost Stanley Cup Final
1996-97 Colorado Avalanche Lost Conference Final
1995-96 Detroit Red Wings Lost Conference Final
1994-95 Detroit Red Wings Lost Stanley Cup Final
1993-94 New York Rangers Won Stanley Cup
1992-93 Pittsburgh Penguins Lost Second round
1991-92 New York Rangers Lost Second Round
1990-91 Chicago Blackhawks Lost First Round
1989-90 Boston Bruins Lost Stanley Cup Final
1988-89 Calgary Flames Won Stanley Cup
1987-88 Calgary Flames Lost Second Round
1986-87 Edmonton Oilers Won Stanley Cup
1985-86 Edmonton Oilers Lost Second Round

- spatso


Watching Washington the last couple nights, there is no way the Leafs beat them. 10% might be generous.

The Capitals look very solid and I think there will be some desperation in their play this year as that group is not going to be able to stay together.

The only team in the east I see handling them is Montreal. The Carey Price factor makes anything a possibility.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 6 @ 12:24 PM ET
Funny how possession numbers showed the Leafs underperformed massively last year. And this year, their position in the standings has improved.

hmmm

- Feeling Glucky?


OR... it could be the infusion of high-end talent
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 6 @ 12:26 PM ET
Watching Washington the last couple nights, there is no way the Leafs beat them. 10% might be generous.

The Capitals look very solid and I think there will be some desperation in their play this year as that group is not going to be able to stay together.

The only team in the east I see handling them is Montreal. The Carey Price factor makes anything a possibility.

- Aetherial



The Caps are just jacked, and playing the right style of hockey to win.

I don't gamble much, but this year I'm going to actually put some money down.

-$100 on the Caps to win the cup.
-$100 on the Caps to win the East.
-$50 on the Hawks to win the West.
-$50 on the Hawks to win the cup.
-$20 on Minnesota to win the West.
-$200 on _____ to beat Ottawa in the first round.


Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 6 @ 12:27 PM ET
They do, and the team's possession numbers have climbed higher with them in the lineup.


- Feeling Glucky?


Sure... but you implied that last year's possession numbers predicted this, which completely ignores the reality of how the team was changed. The two teams are not remotely equal, nevermind the fluctuation in performance of all the teams around them.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 6 @ 12:28 PM ET
I hear you. I've been involved in a big project at work. big meeting this afternoon, I'll know if I have anything assigned to me then.

I'm actually going to the game tonight.

I'll let you know how the meeting goes tomorrow.

- prock


Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 6 @ 12:29 PM ET
The Caps are just jacked, and playing the right style of hockey to win.

I don't gamble much, but this year I'm going to actually put some money down.

-$100 on the Caps to win the cup.
-$100 on the Caps to win the East.
-$50 on the Hawks to win the West.
-$50 on the Hawks to win the cup.
-$20 on Minnesota to win the West.
-$200 on _____ to beat Ottawa in the first round.

- prock




The Ottawa Karlsson's are now like the Edmonton McDavid's and the Montreal Price's.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 6 @ 12:32 PM ET


The Ottawa Karlsson's are now like the Edmonton McDavid's and the Montreal Price's.

- Aetherial



They're not very good to begin with. With them banged up a little, they resemble an AHL team.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 6 @ 1:04 PM ET
so you're saying the leafs will beat the caps?

LEAFS

- Tumbleweed


I'm just saying as the league becomes more balanced, it happens more frequently.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 6 @ 5:57 PM ET


The Ottawa Karlsson's are now like the Edmonton McDavid's and the Montreal Price's.

- Aetherial

What about the Leafs Matthew's ?

Yeah... Same thing. Dont beat your​ chest too hard yet. Leafs have still a long way to go.

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 6 @ 6:47 PM ET
What about the Leafs Matthew's ?

Yeah... Same thing. Dont beat your​ chest too hard yet. Leafs have still a long way to go.

- Pecafan Fan

Marner and Nylander are both right up there with Matthews. Nylander hasn't had the opportunity Marner and Matthews have had to show he can drive a line, but he's been fantastic down the stretch in his own right.

Is Matthews the best of the 3? Obviously. But the difference isn't as big as it is between Karlsson and whatever player you want to call their 2nd best.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 6 @ 11:18 PM ET
Oddly enough, Pacioretty would be tied for the lead in scoring with the Leafs. Draisaitl would hold the lead on his own.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 6 @ 11:32 PM ET
Oddly enough, Pacioretty would be tied for the lead in scoring with the Leafs. Draisaitl would hold the lead on his own.
- golfingsince


Draysalt and ncdavid are going to be racking up the points against the nucks for years to come
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Apr 7 @ 7:36 AM ET
They're not very good to begin with. With them banged up a little, they resemble an AHL team.
- prock


Uh huh!


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