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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 3 @ 8:20 AM ET
Eugene Melnickel-and-dime
- walshyleafsfan




What a cheap owner, he's going to burn one year on White's ELC ....... oh wait !
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 3 @ 8:42 AM ET
What a cheap owner, he's going to burn one year on White's ELC ....... oh wait !
- D0PPELGANGER



You realize this is panic from Melnickel, over the prospect of losing a few playoff home dates, and their revenue (with no player salaries) right?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 3 @ 8:55 AM ET
You realize this is panic from Melnickel, over the prospect of losing a few playoff home dates, and their revenue (with no player salaries) right?
- prock




You may think it's panic, but it's just all part of the logical plan that was laid out last week, in the media, when they signed him to an ATO, and said they would watch him play a number of games at the AHL level, before deciding if he'd be able to help the NHL team.

By your logic, I guess burning one year off of Chabot's ELC was also a panic move, right?


Management continued to negotiate his ELC over the past week, and decided this was the time to turn him pro.




Whether or not he plays, is up to the coach .............. but with the number of injuries on the roster, I can see him getting into a game vs the Red Wings either today, or tomorrow.



Now if you ask me if I think they should have turned him pro (at the NHL level), with the state of the team as it is now, as a result of injuries ...... I don't see him making any difference one way or another, now.

If the Sens go into the playoffs with Phaneauf and Wideman as their top pairing D men, they are not going very deep, no matter who they faced in the first round.




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D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 3 @ 9:27 AM ET
The Lightning are three points behind the leafs, and play the leafs this week.

So the leafs should roll over and let them win, so the Lightning can catch the Senators ............. right?





Ottawa remaining games
@Detroit
Detroit
@Boston
Rangers
Islanders


toronto remaining games
@Buffalo
Washington
Tampa
Pittsburgh
Columbus


Tampa remaining games
@Boston
@toronto
@Montreal
Buffalo


Boston remaining games
Tampa
Ottawa
Washington

- D0PPELGANGER





BTW, pretty sure leafs and Sens "magic number" is still 5.
https://www.playoffmagic.com/nhl/
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 3 @ 9:51 AM ET
The Lightning are three points behind the leafs, and play the leafs this week.

So the leafs should roll over and let them win, so the Lightning can catch the Senators ............. right?





Ottawa remaining games
@Detroit
Detroit
@Boston
Rangers
Islanders


toronto remaining games
@Buffalo
Washington
Tampa
Pittsburgh
Columbus


Tampa remaining games
@Boston
@toronto
@Montreal
Buffalo


Boston remaining games
Tampa
Ottawa
Washington

- D0PPELGANGER


I don't think the Leafs care too much about teams behind them, like the Sens. With the amount they've been winning lately, they're only looking up the standings.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 3 @ 10:04 AM ET
I don't think the Leafs care too much about teams behind them, like the Sens. With the amount they've been winning lately, they're only looking up the standings.
- Feeling Glucky?



Well, I doubt they can catch Montreal.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 3 @ 10:14 AM ET
I don't think the Leafs care too much about teams behind them, like the Sens. With the amount they've been winning lately, they're only looking up the standings.
- Feeling Glucky?



So should the leafs be more worried about the Lightning, than the Senators?



Tampa has a better chance of catching the leafs, than they do the Sens, as the Sens don't play them anymore, but they play the leafs ........ in the proverbial "four point game".

Montréal Canadiens .635 (clinched)

Ottawa Senators .591
leafs .591
Boston Bruins .582
Tampa Bay Lightning .564
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 3 @ 10:22 AM ET
Well, I doubt they can catch Montreal.
- prock


You're right, there is an extremely slim chance, 0.2%, and the Sens have a slightly better slim chance 0.4% .............. but it's not going to happen.

Congratulations Montreal
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 3 @ 10:28 AM ET
You realize this is panic from Melnickel, over the prospect of losing a few playoff home dates, and their revenue (with no player salaries) right?
- prock


melnickel is rattled
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 3 @ 10:40 AM ET
Hope it ends up Sens/Leafs for 2/3 in the division. Really want that matchup

I do remember posting a few months ago that based on the underlying numbers at the time.. it would be Montreal, Boston and Toronto at the top

Boston at the time was good but not getting the results.. the Sens have been very average and were too high
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 3 @ 10:52 AM ET
Hope it ends up Sens/Leafs for 2/3 in the division. Really want that matchup

I do remember posting a few months ago that based on the underlying numbers at the time.. it would be Montreal, Boston and Toronto at the top

Boston at the time was good but not getting the results.. the Sens have been very average and were too high

- senstroll


No doubt that losing their top three D-Men, playing in a defense first system, has downgraded their playoff fortunes.

They should still be able to make the Playoffs (Magic Number = 5 to eliminate Tampa) but getting past the first round looks undoable.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 3 @ 10:56 AM ET
No doubt that losing their top three D-Men, playing in a defense first system, has downgraded their playoff fortunes.

They should still be able to make the Playoffs (Magic Number = 5 to eliminate Tampa) but getting past the first round looks undoable.

- D0PPELGANGER


sens have junk roster, can't win unless healthy.

gotta expect that injuries will happen, need to win despite them. bolts aren't making excuses.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 3 @ 10:57 AM ET
No doubt that losing their top three D-Men, playing in a defense first system, has downgraded their playoff fortunes.

They should still be able to make the Playoffs (Magic Number = 5 to eliminate Tampa) but getting past the first round looks undoable.

- D0PPELGANGER

If Tampa runs the table, Ottawa will need 6, as at 4-0 vs 2-2-1, Tampa will have the ROW tie breaker.

But if Ottawa can muster a .500 record the rest of the way... and that is an if... They should be able to squeak into the playoffs.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 3 @ 10:57 AM ET
sens have junk roster, can't win unless healthy.

gotta expect that injuries will happen, need to win despite them. bolts aren't making excuses.

- Tumbleweed

Yea, pretty safe to say that if Tampa was healthy this season, Ottawa would be on the outside looking in.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 3 @ 11:17 AM ET
If Tampa runs the table, Ottawa will need 6, as at 4-0 vs 2-2-1, Tampa will have the ROW tie breaker.

But if Ottawa can muster a .500 record the rest of the way... and that is an if... They should be able to squeak into the playoffs.

- Feeling Glucky?



Tampa is not in a position to eliminate either Ottawa or toronto, on their own, they would need help.

Any combination of Sens wins and Tamps losses, equaling 5 points (won or lost) will eliminate Tampa from supplanting the Senators.

The same thing applies for toronto vs Tampa (5 points).


The "magic" number to either toronto or Ottawa to eliminate their Ontario rival from the playoffs is 10 ......... so it's much more likely that Tampa ends up being the odd man out.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 3 @ 11:18 AM ET
Yea, pretty safe to say that if Tampa was healthy this season, Ottawa would be on the outside looking in.
- Feeling Glucky?



Yea, pretty safe to say that if both Tampa and Ottawa were both healthy this season, toronto would be on the outside looking in.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 3 @ 11:26 AM ET
Yea, pretty safe to say that if both Tampa and Ottawa were both healthy this season, toronto would be on the outside looking in.
- D0PPELGANGER


The leafs were lucky to not sustain key injuries this year. they need to add some depth a defense in the offseason to be able to withstand injuries. But they have plenty of depth a F.

With the sens icing a roster of broken down junk, the sens were actually lucky to be as healthy as they were all year.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 3 @ 11:27 AM ET
Tampa is not in a position to eliminate either Ottawa or toronto, on their own, they would need help.

Any combination of Sens wins and Tamps losses, equaling 5 points (won or lost) will eliminate Tampa from supplanting the Senators.

The same thing applies for toronto vs Tampa (5 points).


The "magic" number to either toronto or Ottawa to eliminate their Ontario rival from the playoffs is 10 ......... so it's much more likely that Tampa ends up being the odd man out.

- D0PPELGANGER

I mean, I've shown you how you're wrong, so, why repeat the same thing?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 3 @ 11:29 AM ET
Yea, pretty safe to say that if both Tampa and Ottawa were both healthy this season, toronto would be on the outside looking in.
- D0PPELGANGER

Ottawa was on the downswing before Karlsson, Ceci, or Methot got injured, and the advanced stats showed they were due for a regression all year.

This has less to do with Ottawa's injuries, and more to do with their piss-poor offense, and the system they play that makes it look even worse. They rode great goaltending this season, and they're nothing without it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're looking at a bottom-10 finish next season.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 3 @ 11:42 AM ET
I mean, I've shown you how you're wrong, so, why repeat the same thing?
- Feeling Glucky?



Please explain how I'm wrong?

Tampa Bay is not in the position to supplant either toronto or Ottawa, without "help".

I'm going by the numbers shown on this website, so explain what it is, that you say I'm missing.

https://www.playoffmagic.com/nhl/division/
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Apr 3 @ 11:42 AM ET
Yea, pretty safe to say that if both Tampa and Ottawa were both healthy this season, toronto would be on the outside looking in.
- D0PPELGANGER



Ottawa was healthy. Unusually healthy for such an old team, in fact.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Apr 3 @ 11:47 AM ET
Ottawa was healthy. Unusually healthy for such an old team, in fact.
- prock


The fact is, that Ottawa, never iced a line up this season with everyone healthy and or available ...........they were always missing someone, that is healthy, would have been in the lineup.

I could list the number of players that were either injured, or not available, but I think you know this to be a fact.

If Ottawa had NOT made the deals that brought in a few players at or before the TDL, they'd be icing a team with half of the players called up from the AHL, for the past 10 games.


Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 3 @ 11:49 AM ET
Please explain how I'm wrong?

Tampa Bay is not in the position to supplant either toronto or Ottawa, without "help".

I'm going by the numbers shown on this website, so explain what it is, that you say I'm missing.

https://www.playoffmagic.com/nhl/division/

- D0PPELGANGER


Again, if Tampa runs the table, and Ottawa pulls off a 5 point run, both teams will be tied for points, but Tampa will likely have the ROW tie breaker, and thus bump Ottawa.

In order for Ottawa to ensure beyond any possibility that Tampa doesn't pass them, they'll need to get 6 points.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Apr 3 @ 11:58 AM ET
Again, if Tampa runs the table, and Ottawa pulls off a 5 point run, both teams will be tied for points, but Tampa will likely have the ROW tie breaker, and thus bump Ottawa.

In order for Ottawa to ensure beyond any possibility that Tampa doesn't pass them, they'll need to get 6 points.

- Feeling Glucky?


impossible. d0pps read something different on the internet.

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Apr 3 @ 12:05 PM ET
impossible. d0pps read something different on the internet.
- Tumbleweed

Why use your brain when somebody else took the time to write something? It's rude and wasteful!
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