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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:37 PM ET
I hear one of the leafs first round picks is one of the leading scores for the Dallas Stars, and has a higher PPG than Kessel.

Also there is another leaf first rounder that is leading the St Louis Blues in scoring as well, and he's also third overall int he NHL to boot.

- Doppleganger


Great. In a few years that top 5 pick the Sens gave up will definitely be better than... the ghost of Bobby Ryan?
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:40 PM ET
I hear one of the leafs first round picks is one of the leading scores for the Dallas Stars, and has a higher PPG than Kessel.

Also there is another leaf first rounder that is leading the St Louis Blues in scoring as well, and he's also third overall int he NHL to boot.

- Doppleganger

Can you name me the player the Sens drafted TWICE.... in the 1st AND 2nd round .... and never played a single game
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:42 PM ET
Can you name me the player the Sens drafted TWICE.... in the 1st AND 2nd round .... and never played a single game
- the_cause2000


never played a single game, for the Sens, you mean.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:45 PM ET
never played a single game, for the Sens, you mean.
- prock

yes
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Dec 2 @ 4:46 PM ET
Great. In a few years that top 5 pick the Sens gave up will definitely be better than... the ghost of Bobby Ryan?
- prock




I hear a leaf first rounder plays goaltender for the Bruins??
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:46 PM ET
I hear a leaf first rounder plays goaltender for the Bruins??
- Doppleganger



Yep, he's a good one too.

That's what a terrible GM will do to your team.

Tell me how it feels to have that GM tearing apart your team and pulling off some of the worst trades since the days of Milbury.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:47 PM ET
Yep, he's a good one too.

That's what a terrible GM will do to your team.

Tell me how it feels.

- prock

thatithfying
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Dec 2 @ 4:47 PM ET
never played a single game, for the Sens, you mean.
- prock
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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:48 PM ET
The Leafs have made great trades in recent years. JFJ, a Fletcher wearing diapers will do that to you.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:49 PM ET
thatithfying
- the_cause2000



I'd say it's a horserace. Who's screwed the Sens more in the last year. Melnyk or Murray?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Dec 2 @ 4:49 PM ET
Yep, he's a good one too.

That's what a terrible GM will do to your team.

Tell me how it feels to have that GM tearing apart your team and pulling off some of the worst trades since the days of Milbury.

- prock



Who are you referring to? Is he someone equivalent to Seguin, Steen or Rask?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:51 PM ET
Who are you referring to? Is he someone equivalent to Seguin, Steen or Rask?
- Doppleganger


Really? Steen? Are you really gonna start bringing up guys traded away or walked for nothing? Becuase it's a pretty stellar list for the Sens. Didn't Alfredsson score a goal and an assist last night? Isn't chara STILL one of the elite Dmen in the league?
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:52 PM ET
Ottawa's revenues are up this season, and with the new 12 year Rogers TV deal any " financial situation" that you're thinking about is not worth even acknowledging. Mostly wishful thinking on your part perhaps.
- Doppleganger


Doesn't mean the owner will spend a dime more.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 2 @ 4:54 PM ET
Doesn't mean the owner will spend a dime more.
- RogerRoeper


A 12 year TV deal has incredibly little financial effect on the Sens. Especially when additional dollars over and above the current deal don't kick in for a few years.

Particularly when they're getting 15,000 in attendance. It's only getting worse for them.

oh, and their team is junk. Crap. Useless. Basement dweller.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 3 @ 8:40 AM ET
I hear a leaf first rounder plays goaltender for the Bruins??
- Doppleganger

Is your point that the leafs are terrific drafters?

Because if so, it's a good thing we still have our first.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Dec 3 @ 8:54 AM ET
A 12 year TV deal has incredibly little financial effect on the Sens. Especially when additional dollars over and above the current deal don't kick in for a few years.

Particularly when they're getting 15,000 in attendance. It's only getting worse for them.

oh, and their team is junk. Crap. Useless. Basement dweller.

- prock



Sorry, even though attendance is down slightly........overall revenues are up.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Dec 3 @ 8:58 AM ET
Is your point that the leafs are terrific drafters?

Because if so, it's a good thing we still have our first.

- Feeling Glucky?


My point is that in the past few decades, the leafs have traded away more prospects and picks that have gone on to successful NHL careers, than most other teams in the NHL.


There has always been little patience for development, given the pressures of the leafs market place. coming from the fans and the media.

Hopefully this new management team recognizes this and will not fall into what has traditionally been their default position.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 3 @ 10:12 AM ET
Sorry, even though attendance is down slightly........overall revenues are up.
- Doppleganger



Up by 30%? Enough to make a difference in the budget? the budget that they say they're over to begin with?

They've said it's money in/money out this year. If there budget has changed, why won't they do anything to help the horsecrap team?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 3 @ 10:14 AM ET
My point is that in the past few decades, the leafs have traded away more prospects and picks that have gone on to successful NHL careers, than most other teams in the NHL.


There has always been little patience for development, given the pressures of the leafs market place. coming from the fans and the media.

Hopefully this new management team recognizes this and will not fall into what has traditionally been their default position.

- Doppleganger


Oh, the Sens have traded away, or let walk, a few gems too. And they just gave up a top 5 pick, a decent young player, and a prospect (granted, not one that I'm really that big on), for a 2 year rental. A TOP 5 PICK for just two years of any player is absurd.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 3 @ 10:14 AM ET
My point is that in the past few decades, the leafs have traded away more prospects and picks that have gone on to successful NHL careers, than most other teams in the NHL.


There has always been little patience for development, given the pressures of the leafs market place. coming from the fans and the media.

Hopefully this new management team recognizes this and will not fall into what has traditionally been their default position.

- Doppleganger

have you compared the Leafs to at least 15 other teams to make this determination?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Dec 3 @ 12:26 PM ET
have you compared the Leafs to at least 15 other teams to make this determination?
- Feeling Glucky?


Yes.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 3 @ 12:42 PM ET
Yes.
- Doppleganger

Please post your methodology and results for each team.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Dec 3 @ 12:47 PM ET
Please post your methodology and results for each team.
- Feeling Glucky?


Do your own research and then we'll compare notes.


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Dec 3 @ 12:51 PM ET
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- Doppleganger

My research indicates that as usual, you're deflecting attention away from your piss-poor arguments.
Morris
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Edmonton Oilers
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS
Joined: 07.18.2007

Dec 3 @ 1:10 PM ET
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- Doppleganger

You made this statement:

the leafs have traded away more prospects and picks that have gone on to successful NHL careers, than most other teams in the NHL.


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