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spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 24 @ 8:48 AM ET
This applies to all teams, who fail to win in regulation, and go on to accumulate points in 3 on 3 or in shoot outs.

For example the leafs are the biggest beneficiary of 3 on 3 & SO losses, in the NHL with 15 points.

Ottawa leads the Atlantic in regulation wins, and is in the top third of the league with 32 Regulation wins and have NOT lost in regulation, in consecutive games since the 7th of February................. so it terms of 5 on 5 hockey (regulation wins), Ottawa is one of the best in Eastern Conference, sitting in 5th behind only the top four teams in the Metro division.


The leafs have by comparison, have 28 regulation wins, 18th in the league and eighth in their Conference.


So by focusing only on total scoring while playing 5 on 5 ......... you're missing the bigger picture ............ Wins while playing 5 on 5 ........ and the Senators measure up as the Best 5 on 5 team in their division, 5th in their Conference and 10th in the NHL overall.

- D0PPELGANGER


you should not confuse leaf fans with facts
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Mar 24 @ 9:00 AM ET
Another example of the Sens inability to score.

Fortunately there's no 3-on-3 or shootout in the playoffs.

- Feeling Glucky?

I'm absolutely shocked that the Leafs have a chance to have the best goal differential in the Atlantic this season.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 24 @ 9:16 AM ET
you should not confuse leaf fans with facts
- spatso






D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 24 @ 9:22 AM ET
I'm absolutely shocked that the Leafs have a chance to have the best goal differential in the Atlantic this season.
- walshyleafsfan




Would you also be shocked to know that goal differential is the LAST tie breaker ... and therefore meaningless?

If teams remain tied after calculating points, wins (i.e., regulation + overtime wins, excluding shootout wins), and their head-to-head season series, then the team with the greatest positive difference between goals scored (GF) and goals allowed (GA)

Points, ROW, head-to-head season series, GF minus GA.

walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Mar 24 @ 9:35 AM ET
Would you also be shocked to know that goal differential is the LAST tie breaker ... and therefore meaningless?

If teams remain tied after calculating points, wins (i.e., regulation + overtime wins, excluding shootout wins), and their head-to-head season series, then the team with the greatest positive difference between goals scored (GF) and goals allowed (GA)

Points, ROW, head-to-head season series, GF minus GA.

- D0PPELGANGER

No I wouldn't. I'm just shocked that the Leafs are currently +11 after being -48 last year and -51 the year before.

The improvement in the goal differential is astounding.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 24 @ 9:48 AM ET
No I wouldn't. I'm just shocked that the Leafs are currently +11 after being -48 last year and -51 the year before.

The improvement in the goal differential is astounding.

- walshyleafsfan



Yeah, it's a positive.

But is there a little context needed?
Were the leafs not "tanking" for a couple of seasons, as part of the Shanaplan?
Now that they've moved on from "tanking" there is no reason to not have expected the GDiff to improve.

I certainly would not have expected the leafs to have basically grabbed a secure hold on a PO spot, with about 10 games left in the season ............ that's much more "shocking" than a GDiff improvement, in my books.


It would be interesting to compare the increase in points, by a team, over the previous year, and see how this season rates (for the leafs) against the biggest increases (in points) in NHL history.

I'm sure one of you leaf fans can find that somewhere on the inter webs.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 24 @ 10:14 AM ET
Yeah, it's a positive.

But is there a little context needed?
Were the leafs not "tanking" for a couple of seasons, as part of the Shanaplan?
Now that they've moved on from "tanking" there is no reason to not have expected the GDiff to improve.

I certainly would not have expected the leafs to have basically grabbed a secure hold on a PO spot, with about 10 games left in the season ............ that's much more "shocking" than a GDiff improvement, in my books.


It would be interesting to compare the increase in points, by a team, over the previous year, and see how this season rates (for the leafs) against the biggest increases (in points) in NHL history.

I'm sure one of you leaf fans can find that somewhere on the inter webs.

- D0PPELGANGER


Agree.

Lots of stuff written about very young teams succeeding at high levels because they simply do not feel the post season pressure the way others might. Most of the young players have had great team success their entire careers and they expect to win. For that reason, I think the Leaves are a more dangerous first round match up than the Rangers.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 24 @ 10:21 AM ET
you should not confuse leaf fans with facts
- spatso

The fact is, the Leafs have struggled maintaining leads for a large stretch of the season.

Over this last little stretch, however, they seem to have figured it out. 4 EN goals in the last 3 games

If they carry this newfound ability forward, they'll move up in the standings big time.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 24 @ 10:24 AM ET
This applies to all teams, who fail to win in regulation, and go on to accumulate points in 3 on 3 or in shoot outs.

For example the leafs are the biggest beneficiary of 3 on 3 & SO losses, in the NHL with 15 points.

Ottawa leads the Atlantic in regulation wins, and is in the top third of the league with 32 Regulation wins and have NOT lost in regulation, in consecutive games since the 7th of February................. so it terms of 5 on 5 hockey (regulation wins), Ottawa is one of the best in Eastern Conference, sitting in 5th behind only the top four teams in the Metro division.


The leafs have by comparison, have 28 regulation wins, 18th in the league and eighth in their Conference.


So by focusing only on total scoring while playing 5 on 5 ......... you're missing the bigger picture ............ Wins while playing 5 on 5 ........ and the Senators measure up as the Best 5 on 5 team in their division, 5th in their Conference and 10th in the NHL overall.

- D0PPELGANGER


And as we've all seen, they've been struggling lately. Not good going into the playoffs.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 24 @ 10:38 AM ET
And as we've all seen, they've been struggling lately. Not good going into the playoffs.
- Feeling Glucky?



What's not good, is the loss of Methot.



Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 24 @ 10:41 AM ET
What's not good, is the loss of Methot.




- D0PPELGANGER


melnickel-and-dime-it is pissed.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 24 @ 10:42 AM ET
What's not good, is the loss of Methot.




- D0PPELGANGER

yea that was gnarly.


That should be a suspension.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 24 @ 11:03 AM ET
yea that was gnarly.


That should be a suspension.

- Feeling Glucky?




Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 24 @ 11:05 AM ET

- D0PPELGANGER


that one was actually kind of funny.

the methot slash was nasty.
twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 11:14 AM ET
that one was actually kind of funny.

the methot slash was nasty.

- Tumbleweed

you're nasty
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 24 @ 11:15 AM ET
twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 11:16 AM ET

- D0PPELGANGER

who is Methot's D partner?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 24 @ 11:30 AM ET
who is Methot's D partner?
- twiztedmike


The best Dman in the NHL!
twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 11:38 AM ET
The best Dman in the NHL!
- spatso

Phaneuf?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 24 @ 11:42 AM ET
Phaneuf?
- twiztedmike

Laine.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 24 @ 11:43 AM ET
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 24 @ 12:01 PM ET
Phaneuf?
- twiztedmike


Played an amazing game last night. Played Crosby really tough.

Played an even better game 2 nights before against Bergeron and Marchand. By the end of the game all the Boston players were trying to get at him based on the frustration he had caused their top line all evening.

Phaneuf is not the Sens best Dman but he is a really important part in the improvement that the Sens have made over last year.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 24 @ 12:06 PM ET
The best Dman in the NHL!
- spatso



Leads the NHL in blocked shots, with 197

Second in total points by defense-men, three behind leader

Four consecutive seasons ( including this one) of scoring 66 or more points.


For sure another Norris Trophy nominee this season.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 24 @ 12:16 PM ET
And as we've all seen, they've been struggling lately. Not good going into the playoffs.
- Feeling Glucky?


they're 8-2-2 since the trade deadline.............no doubt they looked bad in the home and home against montreal, but outside of that Ottawa has been one of the better teams in the league the last few weeks. they've been gaining in the standings so I'm not sure how you feel they've been struggling........outside of those 2 games, like I said.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 24 @ 12:26 PM ET
they're 8-2-2 since the trade deadline.............no doubt they looked bad in the home and home against montreal, but outside of that Ottawa has been one of the better teams in the league the last few weeks. they've been gaining in the standings so I'm not sure how you feel they've been struggling........outside of those 2 games, like I said.
- sensarmy_11


I believe the two best Eastern Conference records in the month of March are Ottawa and Pittsburgh.

Kind of goofy (but cute) seeing Leaf fans straining to believe what they want to believe. They have been doing it for years. They never have enjoyed the simplicity of the scoreboard or standings.
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