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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 15 @ 5:28 PM ET
You guys need to stop whining and accept the reality of the scoreboard. You always end up trying to argue hopes rather than substance.

We have listened to this kind of talk from Leaf fans every year since forever. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Need a more realistic understanding of just exactly where the Leafs find themselves at this point.

- spatso


brassard for duchene
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 5:50 PM ET
You guys need to stop whining and accept the reality of the scoreboard. You always end up trying to argue hopes rather than substance.

We have listened to this kind of talk from Leaf fans every year since forever. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Need a more realistic understanding of just exactly where the Leafs find themselves at this point.

- spatso


Whining? Are you referring to our exuberance over one of the best young teams in the league "whining"?

Man, the excitement in Leafs nation sure has you sens fans in a huff alright.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 7:08 PM ET
You guys need to stop whining and accept the reality of the scoreboard. You always end up trying to argue hopes rather than substance.

We have listened to this kind of talk from Leaf fans every year since forever. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Need a more realistic understanding of just exactly where the Leafs find themselves at this point.

- spatso

No hopes, just the current situation. Leafs are a young team exceeding expectations, Sens are an aging team with a closing window(if it was ever open) and no hope to win the cup in the foreseeable future.

That's the reality of the situation. You can be as short sighted as you like, I suppose it helps dull the pain.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 7:08 PM ET
brassard for duchene
- Tumbleweed



I'm not sure about Colorado's cap situation, but maybe they'd want a guy like Brassard if they were struggling to hit the cap floor, and he was a throw-in. No other reason that I could see them wanting him.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 8:18 PM ET
No hopes, just the current situation. Leafs are a young team exceeding expectations, Sens are an aging team with a closing window(if it was ever open) and no hope to win the cup in the foreseeable future.

That's the reality of the situation. You can be as short sighted as you like, I suppose it helps dull the pain.

- Feeling Glucky?


I love how much it bothers you that the sens are 1 point out of the division lead with the like 7th best record in the league and the Leafs are likely to miss the playoffs for the 11th time in 12 years.

The butt hurt is so obvious and the fact that you can't admit and just talk about your 3 rookies while completely ignoring the GLARING holes in your lineup with nothing in your organization to fix them..........it's SOOOO delicious

Now please, proceed to tell us how young you are and how old we are (even though the avg age is only 2 years apart).
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 8:41 PM ET
I love how much it bothers you that the sens are 1 point out of the division lead with the like 7th best record in the league and the Leafs are likely to miss the playoffs for the 11th time in 12 years.

The butt hurt is so obvious and the fact that you can't admit and just talk about your 3 rookies while completely ignoring the GLARING holes in your lineup with nothing in your organization to fix them..........it's SOOOO delicious

Now please, proceed to tell us how young you are and how old we are (even though the avg age is only 2 years apart).

- sensarmy_11

I like how much it bothers Sens fans that the Leafs are 1 point out of the playoffs, knowing that their team has nothing in the wings to improve their team, and an owner who won't pay up to build a winner. I'm very curious to see what young player the Sens kick out next for expecting a raise.

I fully admit the Leafs have a hole on D. They've got a couple of excellent d prospects on the marlies, but I imagine that management will also make moves to improve the NHL side of things while those guys mature. Remember, this team has money, and assets to trade.

The average age isn't what's important. The Sens have one player under 25 worth a damn. The Leafs have 3 rookies under 20 who are likely to end the season over 60 points. I'm not sure the Sens will have a single forward that hits that mark this year. It's weird, normally teams with the awful possession stats the Sens have are run and gun system that promotes offence.

A team with no offensive ability and poor possession numbers isn't going to go anywhere. But you'll see that soon enough.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 15 @ 8:44 PM ET
are you telling me that a young team one year removed from last place doesn't have every piece required to win a cup yet?

tear it down

rebuild the rebuild

fire babcock

trade matthews
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 8:45 PM ET
are you telling me that a young team one year removed from last place doesn't have every piece required to win a cup yet?

tear it down

rebuild the rebuild

fire babcock

trade matthews

- daeth



Sens fans are scrambling. It's priceless.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 8:52 PM ET


Sens fans are scrambling. It's priceless.

- Feeling Glucky?


If anyone knows scrambling it's you.......keep it up though, I love how much it bugs you guys that Ottawa is doing well
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 8:54 PM ET
I like how much it bothers Sens fans that the Leafs are 1 point out of the playoffs, knowing that their team has nothing in the wings to improve their team, and an owner who won't pay up to build a winner. I'm very curious to see what young player the Sens kick out next for expecting a raise.

I fully admit the Leafs have a hole on D. They've got a couple of excellent d prospects on the marlies, but I imagine that management will also make moves to improve the NHL side of things while those guys mature. Remember, this team has money, and assets to trade.

The average age isn't what's important. The Sens have one player under 25 worth a damn. The Leafs have 3 rookies under 20 who are likely to end the season over 60 points. I'm not sure the Sens will have a single forward that hits that mark this year. It's weird, normally teams with the awful possession stats the Sens have are run and gun system that promotes offence.

A team with no offensive ability and poor possession numbers isn't going to go anywhere. But you'll see that soon enough.

- Feeling Glucky?


who is the player under 25 worth a damn?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 15 @ 8:57 PM ET


Sens fans are scrambling. It's priceless.

- Feeling Glucky?


So dull.
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Mar 15 @ 9:05 PM ET
So dull.
- spatso

you are the master of it
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 9:10 PM ET
who is the player under 25 worth a damn?
- prock

I guess Stone doesn't officially qualify for under 25 anymore. But him. He'd be a good second line winger on the Leafs.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 9:13 PM ET
I guess Stone doesn't officially qualify for under 25 anymore. But him. He'd be a good second line winger on the Leafs.
- Feeling Glucky?


I'd think him and kadri would be good third line material. checking line.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 9:18 PM ET
I'd think him and kadri would be good third line material. checking line.
- prock

I wouldn't say no.
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 9:40 PM ET
I'd think him and kadri would be good third line material. checking line.
- prock


Awwww........weak attempts at trolling, another tell tale sign that you're very bothered by how well Ottawa is doing this year.

Keep it up, I love this.

Quick, tell me about your rookies again, and how bad Karlsson is......
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 9:57 PM ET
Awwww........weak attempts at trolling, another tell tale sign that you're very bothered by how well Ottawa is doing this year.

Keep it up, I love this.

Quick, tell me about your rookies again, and how bad Karlsson is......

- sensarmy_11



Not sure why you need to be told again. The Leafs currently have 3 of the top 4 scoring rookies, 5 of the top 12, 6 of the top 20. All feats that have never been managed before. Making the Leafs set of rookies the best in the history of the NHL.

Zaitsev being the third highest scoring rookie dman as well.

Karlsson had more goals scored against with him on the ice at even strength every year, some years by a wide margin, than any other player in the NHL, from 2012/2013 to 2015/2016. These are facts.

He was an absolute tire fire in his own end. Worst in the entire league. Now, he's improved, he's just below average, not worst in the league.

What's the issue?


sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 10:01 PM ET
Not sure why you need to be told again. The Leafs currently have 3 of the top 4 scoring rookies, 5 of the top 12, 6 of the top 20. All feats that have never been managed before. Making the Leafs set of rookies the best in the history of the NHL.

Zaitsev being the third highest scoring rookie dman as well.

Karlsson had more goals scored against with him on the ice at even strength every year, some years by a wide margin, than any other player in the NHL, from 2012/2013 to 2015/2016. These are facts.

He was an absolute tire fire in his own end. Worst in the entire league. Now, he's improved, he's just below average, not worst in the league.

What's the issue?

- prock





Tell me one more time and then I promise I'll believe you when you say it does that bother you that Ottawa is better than you
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 15 @ 10:10 PM ET


Tell me one more time and then I promise I'll believe you when you say it does that bother you that Ottawa is better than you

- sensarmy_11

more laughies next time thanks
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 10:11 PM ET
more laughies next time thanks
- daeth




Better?
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 15 @ 10:13 PM ET
it's a solid rattle level indicator

continue
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 15 @ 10:29 PM ET
it's a solid rattle level indicator

continue

- daeth


Weak
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 10:33 PM ET


Tell me one more time and then I promise I'll believe you when you say it does that bother you that Ottawa is better than you

- sensarmy_11



They're facts. Go ahead, look em up.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 15 @ 11:22 PM ET


Karlsson had more goals scored against with him on the ice at even strength every year, some years by a wide margin, than any other player in the NHL, from 2012/2013 to 2015/2016. These are facts.

He was an absolute tire fire in his own end. Worst in the entire league. Now, he's improved, he's just below average, not worst in the league.

?

- prock


Former offensive NHL defenseman Brian Leetch discussed Karlsson’s play and that overall he contributes everything a team could ask of him.

“It’s a game of mistakes. Something’s going to go wrong out there and that goes for every player,” he continued. “But the amount of things [Karlsson] does right and the amount of things he does to impact his team in a positive way is ideal. That is just such an easy thing to say about someone that’s putting up offensive numbers, but when you watch him play on a regular basis, everything he does is what any team wants a defenseman to do.
http://hockeyanalysis.com...-defender-does-it-matter/

When the greatest NHL defenceman of all-time watches Erik Karlsson, he is reminded of the best of the best ... guys like Larry Robinson, Serge Savard, Guy Lapointe, Denis Potvin, Paul Coffey and Ray Bourque.

Former Boston Bruins great Bobby Orr, No. 4, told the Ottawa Sun in an exclusive interview the sky is the limit for the 21-year-old Karlsson.

“I watch the Senators often,” said Orr, who turns 64 Tuesday and is president of the Orr Hockey Group that represents Jason Spezza. “I see a lot (in Karlsson). (Just) the way this kid skates. There’s nothing like a powerful skater. You can go back over the years: Coffey, (Bourque), Potvin ... these guys could motor. They had great speed.

“This kid has wonderful speed. Great, great hockey sense. He’s not big at all. Two games ago I looked at him and I thought, ‘Holy crap, he looks like a teenager,’ or maybe it’s me getting old. He’s not a huge kid, but he’s very intelligent and very smart on the ice.

http://www.torontosun.com...rr-a-big-karlsson-booster










http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...-join-nhl-greats-1.695906





Let's all remember that Prock clearly stated that if he were the GM (of the leafs) he would NOT take Karlsson for free, if offered in a trade.









sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 16 @ 6:33 AM ET
They're facts. Go ahead, look em up.
- prock


Spatso posts a lot of trollish irrelevant facts too..........hmmmmmm

If you're going to continue using your alt on the same page at least try to be different in your posts
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