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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 12:02 PM ET
That's exactly what you've said about Derrick Brassard.



- D0PPELGANGER


What, that he'll be too old to contribute by the time the Sens could even hope to be contenders?

Well, he's going on 30, and that's true.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Boyle > Marleau :dopes, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Mar 15 @ 12:18 PM ET
That's exactly what you've said about Derrick Brassard.



- D0PPELGANGER




Hahaha leafs have kadri on their team already, they don't need to trade a 2nd and a better younger player to get him.


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 15 @ 12:21 PM ET
Hahaha leafs have kadri on their team already, they don't need to trade a 2nd and a better younger player to get him.



- burn

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 12:22 PM ET
Hahaha leafs have kadri on their team already, they don't need to trade a 2nd and a better younger player to get him.



- burn



Not to mention – he scores a hell of a lot more than Brassard, is younger, fits in our current window better, and among centres, is one of about 5. We could trade Bozak, and still have Matthews, Kadri, Nylander, plus Marner is a natural centre. And Gauthier for checking line duties.

Id Kadri our third line centre long term anyway?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 12:30 PM ET
That's exactly what you've said about Derrick Brassard.



- D0PPELGANGER

No, I said he won't be useful when the Sens are ready to compete for the cup... and is already less of a useful player than what they gave up.

I think you'll agree with me that a 40+ year old Brassard won't be a very useful player.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 15 @ 12:39 PM ET
No, I said he won't be useful when the Sens are ready to compete for the cup... and is already less of a useful player than what they gave up.

I think you'll agree with me that a 40+ year old Brassard won't be a very useful player.

- Feeling Glucky?


I guess when your caught in a world of hurt you just say dumb stuff!
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 12:45 PM ET
I guess when your caught in a world of hurt you just say dumb stuff!
- spatso


Sorry, are you saying you think Brassard will be a valuable contributor in his 40s?
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 15 @ 12:54 PM ET
Sorry, are you saying you think Brassard will be a valuable contributor in his 40s?
- Feeling Glucky?


No, I think Brassard is a piece in the deal for Duchene this summer.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 15 @ 12:55 PM ET
No, I think Brassard is a piece in the deal for Duchene this summer.
- spatso


You should probably hire somebody to do the thinking for you.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 1:42 PM ET
No, I think Brassard is a piece in the deal for Duchene this summer.
- spatso



That would suck for Brassard, missing out of the chance to win back to back cups
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 15 @ 1:53 PM ET
That would suck for Brassard, missing out of the chance to win back to back cups
- senstroll


You guys give in too easy. Stop feeling so sorry for yourselves. I think the Shanaplan is fine. It is just not going to work nearly as fast as you expected. You also need to recognize that there are a bunch of teams that have their own Shanaplan. You are a long way away from being a serious contender But you are headed in the right direction. Cheer up.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Mar 15 @ 2:09 PM ET
You should probably hire somebody to do the thinking for you.
- Tumbleweed


Bump
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 2:13 PM ET
No, I think Brassard is a piece in the deal for Duchene this summer.
- spatso

You must be caught in a world of hurt!
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 15 @ 2:23 PM ET
and the leafs are total crap and will end up with 90 points .. got it
- senstroll


Who said the leafs were "total crap"?
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 2:25 PM ET
You guys give in too easy. Stop feeling so sorry for yourselves. I think the Shanaplan is fine. It is just not going to work nearly as fast as you expected. You also need to recognize that there are a bunch of teams that have their own Shanaplan. You are a long way away from being a serious contender But you are headed in the right direction. Cheer up.
- spatso


Most Fans expectations were its going to take a few years, stop acting like they have been predicting something else

Currently it is working faster than I could have hoped.

Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 2:25 PM ET
Most Fans expectations were its going to take a few years, stop acting like they have been predicting something else

Currently it is working faster than I could have hoped.

- senstroll

This sounds like summer talk to me.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 2:27 PM ET
Who said the leafs were "total crap"?
- D0PPELGANGER



I did
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 2:41 PM ET
You guys give in too easy. Stop feeling so sorry for yourselves. I think the Shanaplan is fine. It is just not going to work nearly as fast as you expected. You also need to recognize that there are a bunch of teams that have their own Shanaplan. You are a long way away from being a serious contender But you are headed in the right direction. Cheer up.
- spatso


The Leafs have made tremendous progress, and are on track to be a contender for the cup within 2-3 years. They will likely win their division next year, and more importantly, be one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the conference. They will be able to contend with the likes of Pittsburgh and Washington. This is more than any Canadian team has been able to say in a long long time.

Leaf fans are ecstatic with the progress being made, and the track the Leafs are headed on, and it's seems to have sens fans trembling.
daeth
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: when it's a 3 taco-bell town, maybe they'll be ready, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Mar 15 @ 2:43 PM ET
the shanaplan isn't going to work as fast as you expected

leafs go from 30th to a borderline playoff team in one season

ok there

*pats spatso on the head*
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 2:51 PM ET
The Leafs have made tremendous progress, and are on track to be a contender for the cup within 2-3 years. They will likely win their division next year, and more importantly, be one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the conference. They will be able to contend with the likes of Pittsburgh and Washington. This is more than any Canadian team has been able to say in a long long time.

Leaf fans are ecstatic with the progress being made, and the track the Leafs are headed on, and it's seems to have sens fans trembling.

- prock

It's not impossible, but it'd take some smart moves this summer to shore up the defense without losing the incredible forward group they've put together.

Also gotta account for the possible sophomore slumps, though I don't think they're as common with players of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander's stature. None the less, it's probably safe to assume one of them will regress next season.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 2:53 PM ET
the Leafs and Sens were within a few points in the standings not long ago.. Leafs stumbled, sens beat some crappy teams to put some separation. youd think they won the (frank)ing cup or something.. the chest beating is something to see

At least we know there is no way this backfires at all ..nope no way

- senstroll

I think they just know they won't have much to cheer for over the next decade, so they're getting it in while they can.

Amazing how scarce they were December-January though. Busy time with the holidays and what not.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 15 @ 2:55 PM ET
I think they just know they won't have much to cheer for over the next decade, so they're getting it in while they can.

Amazing how scarce they were December-January though. Busy time with the holidays and what not.

- Feeling Glucky?



I hear some people go to church around xmas daily.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Mar 15 @ 3:01 PM ET
I hear some people go to church around xmas daily.
- prock

seems like a waste of a day off.
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 15 @ 4:33 PM ET
Thats the timeline if its going to happen yes

Take Chicago...the comparisons are fun

Miss playoffs 9/10 years
2006 - Toews
2007 - Kane
2008 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2009 - Long playoff Run
2010 - Won Cup

Miss playoffs 10/11 years
2015 - Marner
2016 - Matthews
2017 - Missed playoffs but big jump in points
2018 - ?
2019 - ?

Obviously a lot of things to happen for the Leafs, building depth and finding a Solid top pairing D. Not an easy task but not impossible

- senstroll



Bump
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 15 @ 5:14 PM ET
I think they just know they won't have much to cheer for over the next decade, so they're getting it in while they can.

Amazing how scarce they were December-January though. Busy time with the holidays and what not.

- Feeling Glucky?


You guys need to stop whining and accept the reality of the scoreboard. You always end up trying to argue hopes rather than substance.

We have listened to this kind of talk from Leaf fans every year since forever. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Need a more realistic understanding of just exactly where the Leafs find themselves at this point.
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