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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 28 @ 5:08 PM ET
I think it's a move that should barely make the news.
- prock

I would have rather spent a lower pick for a guy like Fehr. Surprising he's on waivers.

Stalberg for a 3rd ain't bad either, IMO.

edit: damn, the # of picks Ottawa has left makes it look pretty gross.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 28 @ 5:16 PM ET
I would have rather spent a lower pick for a guy like Fehr. Surprising he's on waivers.

Stalberg for a 3rd ain't bad either, IMO.

edit: damn, the # of picks Ottawa has left makes it look pretty gross.

- Feeling Glucky?



Maybe Melnyk doesn't want to fly any staff to the draft? Just a few more to go?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Keller and Strome could both be better than Tavares. jimmy troller
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 28 @ 5:18 PM ET
Maybe Melnyk doesn't want to fly any staff to the draft? Just a few more to go?
- prock

RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Feb 28 @ 6:14 PM ET
[quote=prock]Please don't reference button.


You are wiser than the average blue and white. You would know that Craig Button's most recent top 50 prospects outside the NHL includes 4 Sens and 0 Leafs. It is okay, I won't tell anybody. The listing has been around for a few weeks and I am surprised that one of the kool aid drinkers had not stumbled into it earlier.

I think this is also the article where Button says the Sens have the best prospects of Canadian team. I read it awhile ago and let it fester. Good day for someone to post it.

- spatso


Look at the top rookie scorers in the NHL. Is it really terrible news the Leafs had 0 prospects in his top 50 outside the NHL? Connor Brown is our 5th best rookie. He'd be the top rookie on the majority of NHL teams. The Leafs are stacked.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Feb 28 @ 6:30 PM ET
Maybe Melnyk doesn't want to fly any staff to the draft? Just a few more to go?
- prock

walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Liljegren tanked to get the Leafs
Joined: 07.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 6:35 PM ET
Maybe Melnyk doesn't want to fly any staff to the draft? Just a few more to go?
- prock

Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:03 PM ET
Maybe Melnyk doesn't want to fly any staff to the draft? Just a few more to go?
- prock



how many picks do they have left?
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:05 PM ET
12 points in almost 60 games. Why are they trading for these guys????

They're down to 8 draft picks in the next TWO drafts.

Leafs have 11 in 2018 right now alone. 7 in 2017.

They really don't seem to care about the draft anymore.

- prock



can you blame them? what nhl player do they have under 24 that is in the nhl and a legit top player for now and the future? murray cant save them anymore.

no spatd0pps. Pagiroux doesnt count.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 28 @ 7:08 PM ET


how many picks do they have left?

- Gunslinger


8 in the next 2 drafts combined.
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:11 PM ET
8 in the next 2 drafts combined.
- prock



and assload of plus 30 yr old or soon to be roster players.
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:12 PM ET
san jose going to ass cream the leafs tonight tho. go sens?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 28 @ 7:15 PM ET


and assload of plus 30 yr old or soon to be roster players.

- Gunslinger



yeah, they're running on fumes at this point.
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:22 PM ET
yeah, they're running on fumes at this point.
- prock


more like Phaumes.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 28 @ 7:28 PM ET
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:46 PM ET

- D0PPELGANGER



just look at ryan turris and brassard dance around the puck ! good on phaneuf and his yellow shirt leading them. Yellow brings out the best in Ceci's eyes.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 1 @ 8:27 AM ET
12 points in almost 60 games. Why are they trading for these guys????

They're down to 8 draft picks in the next TWO drafts.

Leafs have 11 in 2018 right now alone. 7 in 2017.

They really don't seem to care about the draft anymore.

- prock


It is so long since the Leafs actually did a serious rebuild that fans forget it involves a deep dive and shot gun strategy. Yes, early on, you want to maximize the number of picks you have in the draft but only one or two players (rookies) break through once the core of the rebuild has been established. So, at some point, you need to start to target needs (e.g. Dman). Soon enough Leafs will deal picks and prospects to fill in holes. It is simply good asset management.

It is entirely silly for the Leafs to compete with the Coyotes for most draft picks.

I don't like to see a team trade 1st round picks. But it is not that significant for true contending teams (Washington, Pittsburg) to right their roster for a full run at the Holy Grail.

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Mar 1 @ 8:45 AM ET
It is so long since the Leafs actually did a serious rebuild that fans forget it involves a deep dive and shot gun strategy. Yes, early on, you want to maximize the number of picks you have in the draft but only one or two players (rookies) break through once the core of the rebuild has been established. So, at some point, you need to start to target needs (e.g. Dman). Soon enough Leafs will deal picks and prospects to fill in holes. It is simply good asset management.

It is entirely silly for the Leafs to compete with the Coyotes for most draft picks.

I don't like to see a team trade 1st round picks. But it is not that significant for true contending teams (Washington, Pittsburg) to right their roster for a full run at the Holy Grail.

- spatso





remember when the Oilers were tanking, to collect high draft lottery positions? leaf fans were dumping all over that strategy (because the leafs were building with trades and UFAs)......... fast forward to the Shanaplan, and now leaf fans claimed that any team that was not tanking was crazy, because tanking was the only way to do a proper re-build. fast forward a few years from now, and when the leafs start trading prospects and picks to "load up" for a Cup run, then that will be the correct strategy to build a Cup contender.

It's all relative to what the leafs are doing at any given time, and no other team is doing anything right, except for the leafs .............. but the fact that haven't been to the Cup finals in 50 years totally contradicts their claims that the leafs are on the right track. JFJ was going to bring the Cup to toronto, then it was BB, and now it's the (abadonded) Shanaplan ................ lather, rise & repeat.





On another note : It was November of 1758 when General John Forbes and George Washington rode into what’s now Point State Park and found the smoldering ruins of Fort Duquesne. They had to name it something, and it seemed like a good idea to name it for their boss, William Pitt the Elder.

Forbes was Scottish so instead of "burg", he went with "burgh". It’s pronounced like borough; think of Edinburgh, the capital of Scotland, Masich said.

From there on, Pittsburgh was usually spelled with an H, but sometimes without.

By the 1800s, some people were calling the city Pittsburg instead of Pittsburgh, but the turning point came in 1890. That’s when the U.S. Board on Geographic Names decided to standardize names in America.

He said the board was probably trying to be helpful and make things easier for cartographers, post office workers and others who read handwritten letters and maps.

So cities named Pittsburg or Pittsburgh officially became Pittsburg.

But, Pittsburg-ers didn’t take it that way.



The board’s changes sparked a roughly 20-year saga to get the H back.

Official papers, maps, books and government documents respected the change. But many resisted and continued to spell Pittsburgh with an H. There was even a petition to the U.S. Congress.

So after growing pressure, the board reversed its decision in 1911.

senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 1 @ 9:16 AM ET
Don Brennan‏ @SunDoniB
Good chance #Sens will be offered a first for Lazar today. There are many reasons they should pass, including the fact it's a bad draft year


Don Brennan is one of the worst...Sens should take whatever they can get for him

its not very day you can get something for one of the worst producing players in the NHL
sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 1 @ 9:59 AM ET
Don Brennan is one of the worst...Sens should take whatever they can get for him

its not very day you can get something for one of the worst producing players in the NHL

- senstroll


brennan really is the worst..........right up there with simmons IMO
senstroll
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Mar 1 @ 10:13 AM ET
brennan really is the worst..........right up there with simmons IMO
- sensarmy_11


pretty much yes...just doesnt get the exposure SS does

sensarmy_11
Ottawa Senators
Location: If Ottawa traded ryan for clarkson sens would need to add a pick - Prock, NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Mar 1 @ 10:29 AM ET
pretty much yes...just doesnt get the exposure SS does
- senstroll


He's genuinely an bumhole too.....played baseball against him. He's the "trailer park boy" of hockey media......just a giant white trash pice of poop
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 1 @ 11:04 AM ET
remember when the Oilers were tanking, to collect high draft lottery positions? leaf fans were dumping all over that strategy (because the leafs were building with trades and UFAs)......... fast forward to the Shanaplan, and now leaf fans claimed that any team that was not tanking was crazy, because tanking was the only way to do a proper re-build. fast forward a few years from now, and when the leafs start trading prospects and picks to "load up" for a Cup run, then that will be the correct strategy to build a Cup contender.

It's all relative to what the leafs are doing at any given time, and no other team is doing anything right, except for the leafs .............. but the fact that haven't been to the Cup finals in 50 years totally contradicts their claims that the leafs are on the right track. JFJ was going to bring the Cup to toronto, then it was BB, and now it's the (abadonded) Shanaplan ................ lather, rise & repeat.



- D0PPELGANGER


A lot of fans don't agree with tanking, from all fanbases. I don't really care what those people believe.

I personally can say I was very critical of Edmonton's management, not because of their methods, but more their execution. Specifically who they were drafting. i.e. ignoring their D for so long. I can't tell you how many conversations I had ripping the Oilers for their drafting. The response I got was normally "What were they supposed to do, leave Taylor Hall/Nugent-Hopkins/Yakupov on the table, and draft a Dman?" To which I replied "Yes, they were. Trade down if that's preferable to you".

Hard to know how things would have turned out had they done that. What would their team look like?

Ryan Murray instead of Yakupov?
Maybe Adam Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins?
Maybe Gudbranson instead of Hall?

Short of Hall/Gudbranson, I'd say they'd probably have been a better team. Until McDavid came along, because they probably wouldn't have gotten him, ironically.

But they still have issues with their D.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 1 @ 11:06 AM ET
Don Brennan is one of the worst...Sens should take whatever they can get for him

its not very day you can get something for one of the worst producing players in the NHL

- senstroll



Him and Garrioch are basically published cheerleaders for the Sens are they not?

I think it's wishful thinking (delusional really) to think they'll get a first for Lazar. I really doubt it. Time will tell I guess though.
Gunslinger
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ID
Joined: 10.15.2011

Mar 1 @ 11:12 AM ET
remember when the Oilers were tanking, to collect high draft lottery positions? leaf fans were dumping all over that strategy (because the leafs were building with trades and UFAs)......... fast forward to the Shanaplan, and now leaf fans claimed that any team that was not tanking was crazy, because tanking was the only way to do a proper re-build. fast forward a few years from now, and when the leafs start trading prospects and picks to "load up" for a Cup run, then that will be the correct strategy to build a Cup contender.

It's all relative to what the leafs are doing at any given time, and no other team is doing anything right, except for the leafs .............. but the fact that haven't been to the Cup finals in 50 years totally contradicts their claims that the leafs are on the right track. JFJ was going to bring the Cup to toronto, then it was BB, and now it's the (abadonded) Shanaplan ................ lather, rise & repeat.





On another note : It was November of 1758 when General John Forbes and George Washington rode into what’s now Point State Park and found the smoldering ruins of Fort Duquesne. They had to name it something, and it seemed like a good idea to name it for their boss, William Pitt the Elder.

Forbes was Scottish so instead of "burg", he went with "burgh". It’s pronounced like borough; think of Edinburgh, the capital of Scotland, Masich said.

From there on, Pittsburgh was usually spelled with an H, but sometimes without.

By the 1800s, some people were calling the city Pittsburg instead of Pittsburgh, but the turning point came in 1890. That’s when the U.S. Board on Geographic Names decided to standardize names in America.

He said the board was probably trying to be helpful and make things easier for cartographers, post office workers and others who read handwritten letters and maps.

So cities named Pittsburg or Pittsburgh officially became Pittsburg.

But, Pittsburg-ers didn’t take it that way.



The board’s changes sparked a roughly 20-year saga to get the H back.

Official papers, maps, books and government documents respected the change. But many resisted and continued to spell Pittsburgh with an H. There was even a petition to the U.S. Congress.

So after growing pressure, the board reversed its decision in 1911.

- D0PPELGANGER



way to go full sptaso while talking to spatso.SpatsDoppo is as alive as Pagiroix
golfingsince
Location: The losers tonight are the people.-QP
Joined: 11.30.2011

Mar 1 @ 11:59 AM ET
It looks like Pittsburgh is in a better situation than Pittsburg.
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